Neoicelord wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Because they have something much better in place instead.

You can sell your stuff in zone if you do not want to take advantage of a guild vendor.

Very true.

And someone can be a member of one of the many tracing guilds that get decent locations and some have weekly/monthly dues or raffle ticket requirements. Turn off guild chat and then they cannot be annoying.

OR we could have a normal Auction house.

Or you cold use the system in place. This topic has been beat to death. Does the word no elude you somehow?

Drachenfier wrote: »

TheStealthDude wrote: »

Neoicelord wrote: »

All you pro guild trader people, explain to me the PROs of not having an Auction House.

Harder to corner a market and jack up prices on commonly traded goods

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Heh....on one hand you have people claiming global markets cause rampant undercutting, and on the other, people claiming that prices get cornered and raised. Which is it?

Honestly, probably both. Some items (consumables most likely) would likely see massive undercutting and other rarer items would see an inflation. Good luck trying to buy your divines necro boots for 800k gold.

The only global auction house I have much experience with is the one from Diablo 3. From the botting and just massive amounts of crap being put on there, inflation was completely absurd. With myself as an average player with a couple million gold to my name after a year of fairly regular play, the top tier items were literally being sold for BILLIONS. And the commodities market was something like 100g for a semi rare consumable. It was absolutely inaccessible to the casual player base.

If there is even a slight chance that a global auction house would take the same path in ESO, I am completely against it. And no amount of complaining about how annoying guilds are or how unfair it is that you have to be in guilds that control traders will convince me that a global auction house will be better for the game.

Neoicelord wrote: »

All you pro guild trader people, explain to me the PROs of not having an Auction House.

Three people can't decide to dominate the market on high end items so easily.

More fluid market with vendors instead of central house.

The diverse economy is a part of the game many people actually enjoy. Central house takes that away.

Upsets people who want ESO to be WOW2.

Neoicelord wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Neoicelord wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Neoicelord wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Neoicelord wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Because they have something much better in place instead.

You can sell your stuff in zone if you do not want to take advantage of a guild vendor.

Very true.

And someone can be a member of one of the many tracing guilds that get decent locations and some have weekly/monthly dues or raffle ticket requirements. Turn off guild chat and then they cannot be annoying.

OR we could have a normal Auction house.

Or you cold use the system in place. This topic has been beat to death. Does the word no elude you somehow?

You know what, i do not give a damn what you say or feel. if you do not want to read a repeat thread..i have a pro tip for free... DO NOT CLICK ON IT YOU ***DAMN CU CK.

Well, inb4 lock now. It was nice meeting you today OP

oh noes, i used fruity languange.

i do not support games where they censor their forums. So if this gets taken down because of some language, game is deleted.

Lol, I guess you haven't been on these forums long enough to see the kind of moderation that happens sometimes then.

This game is rated M (17+) no amount of foul language will be said here that a 17yr old has not heard irl. i do not see why mods treat us ADULTS like children. if you are not 17+, you should not be here.

The game is, the forums are not. You might want to check the agreement. Also game may be 17+ but abusive messages are not allowed in game either and your message epitomizes abuse and aggression. Send your stuff to the orphans.

This is what you agreed to:

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Neoicelord wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Neoicelord wrote: »

All you pro guild trader people, explain to me the PROs of not having an Auction House.

Three people can't decide to dominate the market on high end items so easily.

More fluid market with vendors instead of central house.

The diverse economy is a part of the game many people actually enjoy. Central house takes that away.

Upsets people who want ESO to be WOW2.

Maybe if i could navigate the damn UI faster, i would use the Guild traders more. i am on PS4.

I can agree with that. There needs to be an intuitive search inside the guild trader menu so you don't have to scroll through pages of unwanted items to find what you are looking for. Trying to find the last recipe I needed to have them all took a lot of scrolling.

Drachenfier wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

TheStealthDude wrote: »

Neoicelord wrote: »

All you pro guild trader people, explain to me the PROs of not having an Auction House.

Harder to corner a market and jack up prices on commonly traded goods

....

Heh....on one hand you have people claiming global markets cause rampant undercutting, and on the other, people claiming that prices get cornered and raised. Which is it?

Honestly, probably both. Some items (consumables most likely) would likely see massive undercutting and other rarer items would see an inflation. Good luck trying to buy your divines necro boots for 800k gold.

The only global auction house I have much experience with is the one from Diablo 3. From the botting and just massive amounts of crap being put on there, inflation was completely absurd. With myself as an average player with a couple million gold to my name after a year of fairly regular play, the top tier items were literally being sold for BILLIONS. And the commodities market was something like 100g for a semi rare consumable. It was absolutely inaccessible to the casual player base.

If there is even a slight chance that a global auction house would take the same path in ESO, I am completely against it. And no amount of complaining about how annoying guilds are or how unfair it is that you have to be in guilds that control traders will convince me that a global auction house will be better for the game.

Prices are self regulated by supply and demand, that's how it works in a free market. If you aren't getting those boots for 800k, then they're rare and worth more than that. If you aren't able to sell your generic iron boot knob for thousands of gold, because 500,00 other people are selling it as well, suck it up, it's not worth that much. That's the beauty of an open market. Just because you want to charge an arm and a leg for an item, doesn't mean it's worth that much, or that anyone will pay that much for it...unless of course, they have a limited market subset to compare to *cough ESO cough*.

As for Diablo 3, that was an RMT game, so it doesn't really compare to traditional MMO markets.

An open market such as one created by having vendors scattered across all zones and the ability to sell in chat.

Buffler wrote: »

I hope they bring in an AH, it would allow me to dictate market prices and price fix items even easier than at present. Show me the money!!

Yea, good luck with that champ.

kargen27 wrote: »

Kurkikohtaus wrote: »

To all those that support the current guild-trader system, I assume most of you are sellers primarily. There is no scenario in which a buyer would prefer this system. So as sellers, do you realize that you are completely dependant on your buyers? And do you realize that if there WERE indeed an open, one-stop AH, that you would have to UNDERCUT a global price in order to sell your wares?

So in the end, you might make a bit less on individual items, but a bit more on volume sold. Nevertheless, hearing sellers argue about the virtues of the current system just sounds like elitism and greed.

How many BUYERS actually like it the way it is?

I take full advantage both buying and selling. I like the guild vendor system compared to auction houses from other games. I would like it better if I could do a search within each trader to see what is in their inventory. I'm in a top trading guild with a prime location and in a social guild that sometimes gets a vendor off the beaten path. Both work well for selling. If I am looking for a very specific item I want/need right away I hit the major vendors. If it is something (materials for instance) that I might not have an immediate need for I quickly check a vendor as I am going by to see if I can catch a deal. Two nights ago I was able to unload some writs worth six or seven vouchers each and purchase one writ worth 86 vouchers. Took me maybe 15 minutes to find one that was below average price. Time well spent as that meant I didn't have to spend time doing 12 different writs for the same amount of vouchers.

One person in our guild (that I know of) does almost nothing other than search for bargains that he can then flip for a higher price. For him it is the most fun part of the game. An auction house takes that away from him.

That doesn't fit.
You take full advantage of buying partly in order to SELL. You are a seller not a buyer. You profit from this. You are in a top trading guild with a prime location. (Tell me, how many players, theoretically, can have that out of the entire player base of eso? - and I say theoretically because we won't count those that have several accounts)

What is so terrifying in allowing everyone to list publicly their wares for sale??? Saying the Guild Traders make it impossible for people to control the market is a lie. All the Guild Traders do is LIMIT the ability of the game population to trade. With less people involved in global trades overall, everything has less impact. No one can force huge undercuts because at the moment a tiny portion of players bother looking at all guild traders regularly and the UI is such a nightmare that you won't see good deals even if they stare you in the face unless you are particularly looking for them; Which comes back to, if someone wanted to, they could control the GTs. They would need a lot of gold and a huge amount of patience, unlike in most mmos where it just needs a lot of gold. Things is, the majority of us buyers needs ungodly amounts of patience to do ANYTHING with the GT system right now. I've quit trying to complete my motif chapters because I have to scroll through pages and pages of items in hopes of not missing it or finding it, or rinse/repeating on the next 24 vendors, and it wouldnt be THAT bad if at least they were on the same area, but no, they arent, their divided in every single zone in the game meaning I need to go through running, loadings, etc... every time I want to look through more than half a dozen vendors. If I'm not wanting/ready to do it, most others arent either. So anything outside the alliance 1st zones or last zones or craglorn (and now vivec) basically are ghost traders that people desperatly attempt to sell in, and that only really dedicated people go see or Sellers go to buy in order to flip profits.

They spent all their resources gathering Nyx Hounds for this season's crates