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Hidden "Special" Crown Crate Mounts
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Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭People need to get over the hate for crown creates. Every mmo that is b2p or f2p has them. If you don't like them then shut up and don't buy them. At least eso has no p2w Insta max lol or 80% of the game locked behind a pay wall like most mmos.
No, this a place to voice your opinion. I have purchased crates and had no problem with them before. But I will voice my displeasure with this new method as much as I please. This is how adults have a discussion. So please refrain from any further outburst, grown ups talking here.20 -
Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭grim_tactics wrote: »My complaint are the micro-transactions inside of micro-transactions.
Bad enough that crates cost so much but now if you want one of the other limited things you need Crown gems.
Are we on a freemium mobile app with this game now?
This, and the gem conversion ratio is absurd.
Stormproof: Vibeke - 50 EP mDragonknight | Savi Dreloth - 50 EP Magsorc | Sadi Dreloth - 50 EP Magblade | Sigtric Stormaxe - 50 EP Stamsorc | Valora Dreloth - 50 EP Magplar | Sigtric the Unbearable 50 EP Stam Warden
Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vercingetorix wrote: »I see all these complaints and yet... often these are same people are ones buying the crates, thus invalidating their complaint and encouraging more crates to be introduced.... The crates will always be a terrible deal as it is gambling - all one can do is vote with their wallet. If you are against them, then you shouldn't even be concerned about them because you're not buying them, right?
This is false. Most of the people who are complaining from the beginning about it didn't buy the crates. I know because I've been in these threads since the crates were first announced and I remember who was also there with me from the start.
I wonder... Maybe that's why they added these mounts that can't be bought with gems. Maybe not enough people took the bait and they didn't make as much money as they expected with the original crate system. If that's the case, then it happened as I suspected it would: Not buying the crates led to more stuff being shoved in them to try to make us buy more crates. If that's the case, then "voting with our wallets" made the crates worse, which invalidates the "don't like them don't buy them" argument (although it already had little merit, since not buying them doesn't mean we can get the items through direct purchase).Edited by Abeille on June 22, 2017 4:47PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.10 -
Idylliqe✭✭✭Vercingetorix wrote: »I see all these complaints and yet... often these are same people are ones buying the crates, thus invalidating their complaint and encouraging more crates to be introduced.... The crates will always be a terrible deal as it is gambling - all one can do is vote with their wallet. If you are against them, then you shouldn't even be concerned about them because you're not buying them, right?
The whole crown gem issue really disappointed me... If it isn't enough to not let us earn them, they make it worse by making us buy 40 million crates to get one mount that we really want.
However, I do see your point. Buying them kind of defeats the purpose of complaining about it. I bought 2 just to see what I could get and quickly determined that it was not worth the crowns at all.. NA PS4
Stamina Nightblade"Sweet Mother, Sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear."
Tenet 1: Never dishonor the Night Mother. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 2: Never betray the Dark Brotherhood or its secrets. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 3: Never disobey or refuse to carry out an order from a Dark Brotherhood superior. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 4: Never steal the possessions of a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 5: Never kill a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.0 -
MissBizz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vercingetorix wrote: »I see all these complaints and yet... often these are same people are ones buying the crates, thus invalidating their complaint and encouraging more crates to be introduced.... The crates will always be a terrible deal as it is gambling - all one can do is vote with their wallet. If you are against them, then you shouldn't even be concerned about them because you're not buying them, right?
@Vercingetorix I purchase 1 pack when they were initially released. If I'm gonna bash'm I might as well know how they are. I have voted with my wallet since and have not purchased any. Heck, I know people who are avid ESO-players that downright refused to preorder Morrownd (therefore missing early access) because there was a crate as one of the bonus items.
Why am I concerned? There's items locked in those crates that as far as we know, will never be able to be purchased by means of making an informed decision.
I love goats. There is literally a video on Youtube of my reaction when I found a goat pet available on the PTS. I ensured I have purchased every goat since. A few months ago I saw a goat in game, during a stream or video or something, and said "HEY! That goat hasn't been a pet yet! Let's get on that"
Welp, here it is.
And it's not just over a goat, it's anyone who gets enjoyment from this game for having their character look just right for the occasion, or riding a mount they love.Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord22 -
Wrecking_Gorilla✭✭✭People need to get over the hate for crown creates. Every mmo that is b2p or f2p has them. If you don't like them then shut up and don't buy them. At least eso has no p2w Insta max lol or 80% of the game locked behind a pay wall like most mmos.
But the new food in the crown crates is p2w. It's better than anything in the game atm.6 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People need to get over the hate for crown creates. Every mmo that is b2p or f2p has them. If you don't like them then shut up and don't buy them. At least eso has no p2w Insta max lol or 80% of the game locked behind a pay wall like most mmos.
It's not the idea of contributing money that bothers me. I sub, I buy all mounts (it's my thing), I buy many of the other cosmetics 'cos I just get a kick out of my characters looking 'right' and I own a lot of the houses.
I've bought enough crates to have most of the apex mounts because I work in a job that allows me enough money to buy crowns - so while I think selling gamble crates is the moral equivalent of opening a bar in an AA meeting at least they have been finite because sooner or later you can get to the gem level needed to get what you want.
This change is the moral equivalent of selling smack on school playgrounds because there is no longer a finishing line for the spend and given the very very low hit rate for previous apex mounts it's a safe bet these are going to be even rarer with no way to build up the necessary gems.
And as someone who is probably the target of stuff like this I am offended - I have been more than generous to this game, I've just been stitched up for a new 'chapter' which doesn't even work yet and now you want even more of my money... I am so glad I don't have a gambling problem 'cos this is a cold and calculated attempt to prey on those who do and whoever came up with this and signed off on it should have a long hard look in the mirror...GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
Legio Mortuum27 -
Vyldrix✭✭I've spent more money on crates than I'd like to admit, and have saved up quite a few crown gems from the last crate season in anticipation of buying the new apex mounts.
I can safely say that I will not be purchasing any more crates. The sole reason I was okay with buying them (and again, quite a few of them) was because I could eventually get whatever I wanted once I had racked up enough gems. This new way of making things unpurchasable with gems leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
Never again. This is a really low move, ZOS, and that's coming from someone who was fine with crates.22 -
BlackSparrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mephisto939 wrote: »I don't think it's a conspiracy folks. Probably just an oversight.
It is neither conspiracy, nor oversight. It's a sales tactic. Someone crunched the numbers and discovered that people stopped buying crates once they racked up enough gems to buy the mount they wanted. So, someone figured, "well, the way to keep them buying crates is to give them something they can't buy with gems." This is the sort of accounting decision that is made all the time in just about any company.
The problem is that whoever's making the decision 1) isn't considering that money, even whale money, is not infinite, and 2) player goodwill isn't important to them, because that's a problem for the Marketing/Communications department... it's their job to spin it positively, not the number-crunchers'.
The problem with that mindset is that there's no way for this not to have a backlash, because the practical implication, from a player stand-point, is that anyone who wants a special mount would have to spend hundreds, possibly thousands, of dollars to have a reasonable chance of getting one. No amount of spin is going to cover that up.
Crown Crates were always about courting whales, I get that. As a lesser whale, I considered them a guilty pleasure, and understood why other people hated them. Now, with this move, they're leaving us lesser whales behind and just courting the biggest, most bloated of our cetacean kin. Leaving someone cold like that is going to lead to a lot of jilted exes. I wouldn't be surprised if the bad will that the Crown Crates started only cascades from here.Edited by BlackSparrow on June 22, 2017 5:07PMLiving vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
(Signature idea shamelessly stolen from Abeille.)33 -
Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yet another reason to completely ignore the gambling boxes altogether.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
Grand High Illustrious Mid-Tier PvP/PvE Bussmunster10 -
theamazingx✭✭✭✭grim_tactics wrote: »My complaint are the micro-transactions inside of micro-transactions.
Bad enough that crates cost so much but now if you want one of the other limited things you need Crown gems.
Are we on a freemium mobile app with this game now?
If your playstyle is TES Dressup, yes.
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Bonzodog01✭✭✭✭✭BlackSparrow wrote: »Someone needs to tell upper management--or whoever is making these decisions--that player goodwill is KEY to keeping people playing and paying, and cash grabs this absurd are going to test even the most loyal and forgiving of players.
You should see the board of Zenimax Media - you might get a better idea of who you are dealing with then. These people are ruthless businessmen with reputations for it.
https://www.zenimax.com/about
Look through the list. A couple of names might stick out a bit. The statement made a while ago by a certain person from ZOS - "You don't have to be here" really counts here. This game has so much money behind it that it can afford to lose anyone who disagrees with them.Xbox One - EU - EP/DCTrying and failing to hold the walls of his Templar house up since 201510 -
MadLarkin✭✭✭✭I actually uninstalled a few months ago after the introduction of crown crates, the silent changing of the ESO+ terms in order to charge for the new "chapter," and some of the other grubby happenings recently. Why am I still on the forums then? Because I like to check in to see if they'll walk back some of these business practices so I can dive back into the game. Then I see something like this. Noooope.8 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bonzodog01 wrote: »BlackSparrow wrote: »Someone needs to tell upper management--or whoever is making these decisions--that player goodwill is KEY to keeping people playing and paying, and cash grabs this absurd are going to test even the most loyal and forgiving of players.
You should see the board of Zenimax Media - you might get a better idea of who you are dealing with then. These people are ruthless businessmen with reputations for it.
https://www.zenimax.com/about
Look through the list. A couple of names might stick out a bit. The statement made a while ago by a certain person from ZOS - "You don't have to be here" really counts here. This game has so much money behind it that it can afford to lose anyone who disagrees with them.
Let's not drag Rich Lambert into this. This is out of context. A player posted a rude comment in an appreciation thread that had nothing to do with it and Rich was directly referring to the thread as "here".Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.18 -
Idylliqe✭✭✭I actually uninstalled a few months ago after the introduction of crown crates, the silent changing of the ESO+ terms in order to charge for the new "chapter," and some of the other grubby happenings recently. Why am I still on the forums then? Because I like to check in to see if they'll walk back some of these business practices so I can dive back into the game. Then I see something like this. Noooope.
Morrowind is really fun, don't get me wrong.. but I wasn't happy about paying another $40 when I had an ESO+ membership. I turned it off completely..NA PS4
Stamina Nightblade"Sweet Mother, Sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear."
Tenet 1: Never dishonor the Night Mother. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 2: Never betray the Dark Brotherhood or its secrets. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 3: Never disobey or refuse to carry out an order from a Dark Brotherhood superior. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 4: Never steal the possessions of a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 5: Never kill a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.1 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bonzodog01 wrote: »BlackSparrow wrote: »Someone needs to tell upper management--or whoever is making these decisions--that player goodwill is KEY to keeping people playing and paying, and cash grabs this absurd are going to test even the most loyal and forgiving of players.
You should see the board of Zenimax Media - you might get a better idea of who you are dealing with then. These people are ruthless businessmen with reputations for it.
https://www.zenimax.com/about
Look through the list. A couple of names might stick out a bit. The statement made a while ago by a certain person from ZOS - "You don't have to be here" really counts here. This game has so much money behind it that it can afford to lose anyone who disagrees with them.
Oh my, I had no idea ZoS were the real world equivalent of Wolfram & Hart!!GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
Legio Mortuum6 -
khele23eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People need to get over the hate for crown creates. Every mmo that is b2p or f2p has them. If you don't like them then shut up and don't buy them. At least eso has no p2w Insta max lol or 80% of the game locked behind a pay wall like most mmos.
Im of the opposite opinion. Something being slightly less sh*tty than utter crap doesnt make it in any way acceptable. People dont need to get over the hate for crown crates, rather they should act on it. Stop spending money on the games that blatantly rip you off and see how quickly the devs will scramble for a different monetization model. Sadly gamers dont have any impulse control and are willing to rationalize throwing away stupid amounts of money.Edited by khele23eb17_ESO on June 22, 2017 5:15PMP2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.6 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just when I thought these crown crates couldn't be any more predatory, there are now hidden special mounts that are not under the listed rewards on front page, and thus not available for crown gems. If you go to Preview once clicking on the crown crates in store, you will see three additional mounts to the six Dwarven ones: Adamant Dwarven Horse, Ebon Dwarven Senche, and Vitrine Wolf (spelling might be off, going from memory). These do in fact exist as part of this crown crate season, I saw someone already lucky enough to have one.
I do not recall hidden special mounts in any of the previous crown crates seasons. ZO$ keeps coming up with new and improved ways to take advantage of those with gambling issues and/or who are mount collectors. Being able to buy the apex mounts outright with crown gems if you failed enough times at getting one was somewhat acceptable, but for there to be these hidden special mounts that are only available through RNG? Just sickening - a new low in the cash grab effort.
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BlackSparrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭I wonder how long the argument "ZOS needs to make money SOMEHOW", ignoring all the other things in the game that are monetized (Base game, subscription, DLCs, Chapters, Crown Store, the previous system with the gems) like if everything in the game was completely free, will take to show up. My bet is two pages.
If it helps, I've been one of those "ZOS needs to make money SOMEHOW" people. Nope. Not doing it this time.
Bonzodog01 wrote: »BlackSparrow wrote: »Someone needs to tell upper management--or whoever is making these decisions--that player goodwill is KEY to keeping people playing and paying, and cash grabs this absurd are going to test even the most loyal and forgiving of players.
You should see the board of Zenimax Media - you might get a better idea of who you are dealing with then. These people are ruthless businessmen with reputations for it.
https://www.zenimax.com/about
Look through the list. A couple of names might stick out a bit. The statement made a while ago by a certain person from ZOS - "You don't have to be here" really counts here. This game has so much money behind it that it can afford to lose anyone who disagrees with them.
Let's not drag Rich Lambert into this. This is out of context. A player posted a rude comment in an appreciation thread that had nothing to do with it and Rich was directly referring to the thread as "here".
Agreed on Rich Lambert. He was responding to someone who was derailing a thread about an unrelated grievance.
That said... that Board of Directors. Yikes. I bet some of the really sleezy decisions come straight from the top, if that's the board. More than being able to afford people leaving, I'd say it's more likely that they're willing to let the game die once it stops turning a profit, and are driving up the pressure to raise the profit margins in the meantime. Makes me feel bad for the rest of the team.
Edited by BlackSparrow on June 22, 2017 5:22PMLiving vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
(Signature idea shamelessly stolen from Abeille.)14 -
Hallothiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I find it interesting that at least on the PS4 EU server I have seen very few of the wild hunt mounts, & only 1 of the flame kagouti mount, and I play most days.
Perhaps people are not as willing as ZOS thinks to throw money at fripperies - increasing prices / adding 'rarities' when the economy is stuttering is not the best plan.
I do wonder how some of these marketing/money-type people manage to stay in work when they repeatedly show they haven't got a clue.3 -
aisriyth_ESO✭✭✭According to some reddit posts there are in fact other items outside of the 3 mounts that cannot be bought with crate gems.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/6iuknb/im_not_made_of_money_zos/
This is absolutely disgusting if this pans out. I think it may be time to vote with my wallet ZoS.... i was okay with crates w/ gems but this has gone too far.
Either make them buy-able with gems or make it impossible to get duplicates and just remove gems.5 -
JahneeO✭✭✭Somtimes, when I see posts like this, I am convinced that I read the forums way too much.
The tone that some people take in their posts is unbelievable.
I don't know if it's a moral high ground or if some people just can't resist spending their rent money on game shinies.
Its a game.
A game that is a product for sale in a free enterprise system.
The owner of the products sells it how they like and at what price they like.
Their business model is set up to optimize profit.
If people like the product and price, they are successful.
ESO is succesful.
No succesful business model will ever cater to an individual.
It is not their job to make you happy. It is your job to make you happy.
If you don't like Crown Crates, don't buy them.
If you think there's not enough benefit to ESO+, don't sub.
If you think that there's no value in Housing, don't invest your time.
If you think that overall the game is unfair, stop playing.
Life is unfair, and nobody owes you anything.7 -
KochDerDamonen✭✭✭✭✭
✭So, when is this game going F2P with the DLCs integrated as free basegame updates again?
Oh, never, right?
Right, ahahaha.If you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].1 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »I find it interesting that at least on the PS4 EU server I have seen very few of the wild hunt mounts, & only 1 of the flame kagouti mount, and I play most days.
Perhaps people are not as willing as ZOS thinks to throw money at fripperies - increasing prices / adding 'rarities' when the economy is stuttering is not the best plan.
I do wonder how some of these marketing/money-type people manage to stay in work when they repeatedly show they haven't got a clue.
I play on the same servers. I agree about the wild hunt mounts. People obviously bought into the first round of crates and saw they were rather meh and either had the gems to buy what they want or simply didn't bother 2nd time around. The novelty factor was also there with the first set of crates.Edited by Prof_Bawbag on June 22, 2017 5:34PM0 -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The person hired to monetize the game is still employed, afaik. This isn't going to be the last move towards more clown crate exclusives.
Prior threads have pointed out that many of us who are against the crates had concerns that items that would be exclusive to the crates would start to creep in, and they have. Now items that CAN NOT be bought with crown gems are in the crates.
When I see items in the crown store I want/am interested in, I buy them. If I don't like an item, I don't. All the other reasons that I don't like the idea of the clown crates aside, the fact that any item you don't already own is instantly bound to your account and can't be deleted is a huge reason I won't touch the crates. If I wanted the hats, outfits, personalities, and pets I would have bought them outright. I don't want to have stuff I didn't want and didn't buy in the first place stuck in my inventory/account.
Now people won't even be able to claim "buy a $100 worth of crates and you can buy the apex mount you want", because no matter how many duplicate items you get, you can't buy the "ultra rare" mounts with gems.12 -
Vyldrix✭✭Somtimes, when I see posts like this, I am convinced that I read the forums way too much.
The tone that some people take in their posts is unbelievable.
I don't know if it's a moral high ground or if some people just can't resist spending their rent money on game shinies.
Its a game.
A game that is a product for sale in a free enterprise system.
The owner of the products sells it how they like and at what price they like.
Their business model is set up to optimize profit.
If people like the product and price, they are successful.
ESO is succesful.
No succesful business model will ever cater to an individual.
It is not their job to make you happy. It is your job to make you happy.
If you don't like Crown Crates, don't buy them.
If you think there's not enough benefit to ESO+, don't sub.
If you think that there's no value in Housing, don't invest your time.
If you think that overall the game is unfair, stop playing.
Life is unfair, and nobody owes you anything.
If you don't like these threads, don't read them.
If you think there's not enough benefit to responding to the developers' decisions, don't participate.
If you think that there's no value in voicing one's opinion, don't post a reply yourself.
If you think that overall the forums are "unbelievable," stop coming here.26 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Somtimes, when I see posts like this, I am convinced that I read the forums way too much.
The tone that some people take in their posts is unbelievable.
I don't know if it's a moral high ground or if some people just can't resist spending their rent money on game shinies.
Its a game.
A game that is a product for sale in a free enterprise system.
The owner of the products sells it how they like and at what price they like.
Their business model is set up to optimize profit.
If people like the product and price, they are successful.
ESO is succesful.
No succesful business model will ever cater to an individual.
It is not their job to make you happy. It is your job to make you happy.
If you don't like Crown Crates, don't buy them.
If you think there's not enough benefit to ESO+, don't sub.
If you think that there's no value in Housing, don't invest your time.
If you think that overall the game is unfair, stop playing.
Life is unfair, and nobody owes you anything.
So... you came to express your opinion that other people should not express opinions? That's some weird kinda logic you got going on in that there head of yours boy (or girl).GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
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Hallothiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Those posting about companies only wanting to maximising profit - yes, I do get that -but this is not the way to do it.
They would make enough money by just putting the damn things in the crown store for people to buy at a decent price. They would also profit from customer satisfaction and good reputation - theirs could do with a boost at the moment.
At present they get less of both.
And yes, I am aware that there is another thread wittering on about some gem-rich sweetroll that has posters salivating. That is just sad.5
