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Vicious Ophidian BUGGED since Morrowind, does NOT restore Stamina on Kills

Anne_Firehawk
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Title says it all, probably a hidden nerf to match the sustain changes? :trollface:
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  • Magıc
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    Lol...
    Edited by Magıc on June 22, 2017 1:02PM
  • Vercingetorix
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    Surely an unfortunate coincidence, yes?
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  • casparian
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    There was already a thread about this, with Rich Lambert responding. Does your testing match what is reported in that thread?
    Edited by casparian on June 22, 2017 1:06PM
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  • Anne_Firehawk
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    casparian wrote: »
    There was already a thread about this, with Rich Lambert responding. Does your testing match what is reported in that thread?

    Doesn't restore any stamina, no matter what Zone/Dungeon/whatever. I know there is still a few stamina players around, should be fixed on their behalf.
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  • MissBizz
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    I'm having deja vu...

    Oh, right!

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4163446/#Comment_4163446
    I definitely get the 2125 return when I kill a monster on Live while wearing VO. Got any more info on how you were able to repro this? (purple or gold gear, cp160, zone you tested it in...etc etc)

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    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4164144#Comment_4164144
    Ah ok, this makes more sense now. This set has always had a 1 second internal cooldown on the resource return. We will look into clarifying that on the tooltip in the future.

    I'm not sure how it's supposed to interact wtih blade of woe, but if you get XP for a kill, you should get the buff/resource restore. Will have to follow up with the team.

    Thanks for digging into this more everyone - double thanks to @Preyfar and @BohnT for the deep dive to suss out the core issue(s).

    Edited by MissBizz on June 22, 2017 1:17PM
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  • Anne_Firehawk
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    Talking to other people now, the issue seems to be related to zoning. I can confirm that because it doesn't works for me in dungeons on my grindsorc.
    Edited by Anne_Firehawk on June 22, 2017 1:42PM
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  • Nutshotz
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    It doesn't work in trials either. It could be a fluke on certain people but I wouldn't put it past rich and his so called if it works for me idk why it isn't working for you theory. /facepalm

    Maybe it's cuz we play the game and find all the issue that he refuses to fix and if he does fix it he breaks that issue 10x more than what it was before. So in all honesty get out of here with that garbage if it works for me idk why it doesn't work for you mentality.
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    Talking to other people now, the issue seems to be related to zoning. I can confirm that because it doesn't works for me in dungeons on my grindsorc.

    What do you mean when you say it doesn't work for you? Do you mean it never gives you any stamina back at all, ever, for any enemy killed? Or do you mean it doesn't give you back as much stamina as you expect? Despite the tooltip, the set only gives back stamina for one enemy killed, once per second. So you should get back 2125 stamina per second if you're constantly killing enemies, not 2125 x (enemies killed) per second.
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  • Drakkdjinn
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    This needs to be looked into ASAP please. Stam is too marginialized in PvE already not to have its most important set simply STOP working all of a sudden.

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  • Anne_Firehawk
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    casparian wrote: »
    Talking to other people now, the issue seems to be related to zoning. I can confirm that because it doesn't works for me in dungeons on my grindsorc.

    What do you mean when you say it doesn't work for you? Do you mean it never gives you any stamina back at all, ever, for any enemy killed? Or do you mean it doesn't give you back as much stamina as you expect? Despite the tooltip, the set only gives back stamina for one enemy killed, once per second. So you should get back 2125 stamina per second if you're constantly killing enemies, not 2125 x (enemies killed) per second.

    Never giving any Stamina. This set should be tested by developers in Dungeons/Trials, not overland.
    E: Doesn't work in Dungeons/Trials
    Edited by Anne_Firehawk on June 22, 2017 3:21PM
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  • Niuby
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    LoL It is working as intended! And Woah~ lol @ ppl still playing stam class, hahaha ditch your stam-watever rightnow, make them semi-pvp or crafting class, go level a magicka already!
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    It doesn't work in trials either. It could be a fluke on certain people but I wouldn't put it past rich and his so called if it works for me idk why it isn't working for you theory. /facepalm

    Maybe it's cuz we play the game and find all the issue that he refuses to fix and if he does fix it he breaks that issue 10x more than what it was before. So in all honesty get out of here with that garbage if it works for me idk why it doesn't work for you mentality.

    If you look at the links provided for the previous thread you'll find Rich ask for more information since it worked for him. The players there helped him with testing it.

    Might want to check that's stuff out.
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    The amount of REOCURRING BUGS that I found out in the past few days makes me want to kill myself
    Edited by Alcast on June 22, 2017 3:02PM
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  • Anne_Firehawk
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    Alcast wrote: »
    The amount of REOCURRING BUGS that I found out in the past few days makes me want to kill myself
    ^This

    Any acknowledgement from ZOS?
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  • xblackroxe
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    EDIT: tested again works.
    Edited by xblackroxe on June 23, 2017 9:32AM
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  • Kay1
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    I confirm this bug :'(
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  • Paulington
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    I cannot replicate this bug.

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    I have tried in four different zones (Deshaan, Shadowfen, Craglorn and Skyreach Catacombs), I always get the expected amount of stamina back with respect to the one second ICD.

  • FlyLionel
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    casparian wrote: »
    Talking to other people now, the issue seems to be related to zoning. I can confirm that because it doesn't works for me in dungeons on my grindsorc.

    What do you mean when you say it doesn't work for you? Do you mean it never gives you any stamina back at all, ever, for any enemy killed? Or do you mean it doesn't give you back as much stamina as you expect? Despite the tooltip, the set only gives back stamina for one enemy killed, once per second. So you should get back 2125 stamina per second if you're constantly killing enemies, not 2125 x (enemies killed) per second.

    Never giving any Stamina. This set should be tested by developers in Dungeons/Trials, not overland.
    E: Doesn't work in Dungeons/Trials

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  • BohnT
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    Where do you use the set? I noticed that you don't get any resources in some dungeons on special mobs like the swarming mudcrabs in Fungal grotto 1 and in vWGT.
    It's working in vSO and nHof and Hel Ra vAA and MoL
  • Alcast
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    I get stamina back shortly before mob dies, thats from redguard passive. but a moment before it dies its 14747 and after its dead still 14747

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    now the fun thing is, in the same dungeons i go kill crocos and they GIVE stamina back?
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    Edited by Alcast on June 22, 2017 4:37PM
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  • Alcast
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    Ok wait wait, it seems when I have a shield up it does not show me that i regain stamina from the set? But it actually does when I closely look at my resources.
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  • Magıc
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    Alcast wrote: »
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    The amount of REOCURRING BUGS that I found out in the past few days makes me want to kill myself

    Reoccuring bugs? Most have never left. TBS being an example as it never was fully fixed the first time around (people just assumed) nor was it fully fixed the most recent time, there was always a 4th method of exploiting TBS that still works. It's just become so normal I don't know why you or anyone else is surprised.
    Edited by Magıc on June 22, 2017 4:38PM
  • techprince
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    The stamina return has 1 second of internal cooldown. So if multiple mobs die within 1 second, you will only get stamina returned once.
    Edited by techprince on June 22, 2017 5:42PM
  • Shadzilla
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    Alcast wrote: »
    https://i.gyazo.com/3fc728dea28c1fbf7e98d5bd82e02203.mp4
    I get stamina back shortly before mob dies, thats from redguard passive. but a moment before it dies its 14747 and after its dead still 14747

    c65f71d1d886e3cd1a4070e0e4cefb26.png

    now the fun thing is, in the same dungeons i go kill crocos and they GIVE stamina back?
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  • Jonno
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    im unable to replicate this. i get stamina back when using brawler or poison inject in open world and in skyreach
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    Reroll a msoc , problem solved
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