Can we please have PvP Dummy ?

raasdal · June 2017

With so many sets only working against "Players" (Like VD or Knightslayer) we really need a dummy that counts as a Player.

Also, for testing anything PvP related, the health amounts are just insane. We need a test dummy with either adjustable health (would be awesome) or one at a set health to maybe 25/30k and one at 100k Health. This is extremely important for testing out combo's, and mechanics for real PvP, in which execute thresholds plays a big part.

Currently the best way, that i have found, to test PvP related damage and mechanics, are against Mammoth in Wrothgar. They have 100k HP and 8000-something resistance. They will go down in 5-15 seconds depending on the pressure you can put down. That has always been an adequate frame for comparing setups (like; How much more burst will Skoria give me, compared to using a defensive set etc.)

Please, can we haz?

vyndral13preub18_ESO · June 2017

For a second I thought this was about me....

AzraelKrieg · June 2017

There is a PvP dummy. It's called finding a friend or guildmate and duelling them

IronCrystal · June 2017

That might be nice.

This is what happened when I tried using onslaught on a dummy. I don't think I can dish this much damage out in normal pvp.

Siliziumdioxid · June 2017

Further Suggestions:
1. make it possible to turn Elemental drain on or off (possibly even major fracture)
2. refund used potions while beating up a target skeleton

raasdal · June 2017

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

There is a PvP dummy. It's called finding a friend or guildmate and duelling them

I doubt anyone would be interested in standing still, and just rezzing over and over and over, for a full hour, while i pound on them and take notes and whatnot.

Dracindo · June 2017

Like said, just practice with a friend or guild mate. A dummy with only 100k isn't going to be any better for upping your pvp skills. Unless the dummy can stack shields and keep them on (Booo, magsorcs).

AzraelKrieg · June 2017

raasdal wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

There is a PvP dummy. It's called finding a friend or guildmate and duelling them

I doubt anyone would be interested in standing still, and just rezzing over and over and over, for a full hour, while i pound on them and take notes and whatnot.

Well that's not how you PvP. They should be fighting back. That's how you learn.

Dracindo · June 2017

Siliziumdioxid wrote: »

Further Suggestions:
1. make it possible to turn Elemental drain on or off (possibly even major fracture)
2. refund used potions while beating up a target skeleton

Siliziumdioxid wrote: »

refund

*ZoS starts to hyperventilate*

idk · June 2017

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

There is a PvP dummy. It's called finding a friend or guildmate and duelling them

I doubt anyone would be interested in standing still, and just rezzing over and over and over, for a full hour, while i pound on them and take notes and whatnot.

Well that's not how you PvP. They should be fighting back. That's how you learn.

I think OP has a volunteer.

AzraelKrieg · June 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

There is a PvP dummy. It's called finding a friend or guildmate and duelling them

I doubt anyone would be interested in standing still, and just rezzing over and over and over, for a full hour, while i pound on them and take notes and whatnot.

Well that's not how you PvP. They should be fighting back. That's how you learn.

I think OP has a volunteer.

I volunteered to help a guild mate with a setup they were running a few months back. Even if all they wanted me to do was to test what damage they did against me buff vs unbuffed.

code65536 · June 2017

So you want a dummy that dodge rolls every 3 seconds. Gotcha.

Solariken · June 2017

This is actually a cool idea. Maybe an NPC that you can talk to and bring up a menu with sliders to adjust its stats (hp, resistances, %mitigation, etc), and then another dialogue option to start combat with it.

To take it to the next level, maybe even add further dialogue options to tell it to try to keep block up or spam shields, lol.

McCracken79 · June 2017

This just does not make sense. PvP is dynamic, is this PvP dummy going to block, roll dodge and bash? You're not going to get the right stats with just a 20K health PvP dummy that stands still, it'll be dead is 2 seconds.

IronCrystal · June 2017

Regardless of the player moving around, the dummy would reflect the damage taken modifiers (I'm not fluent in pvp mechanics but I know players take less damage or something).

Artis · June 2017

Just queue for BGs at night when I'm playing if you're on PC NA. I'm pretty much a PvP dummy for those who get to play against me

See ya

raasdal · June 2017

I don't get all the comments about how a dummy is not how you PvP.

I am not requesting a dummy to practice my PvP skills. I am requesting a dummy to test theory heavy builds and mechanics, which are unique to PvP and cannot be reliably tested in a non-controlled environment.

Example; How does Knightslayer work, when charging heavy on backbar, and then switching to front with the set active? I can tell you that it works, as expected, and your Destro heavy on backbar will proc it if you switch to frontbar, before the heavy lands - just as expected.

It is for boring stuff like the above we need this dummy. And this is one of the MUCH easier ones. I tested this one just by going into a BG and try it. But would have been much nicer to have a dummy.

Solariken wrote: »

This is actually a cool idea. Maybe an NPC that you can talk to and bring up a menu with sliders to adjust its stats (hp, resistances, %mitigation, etc), and then another dialogue option to start combat with it.

To take it to the next level, maybe even add further dialogue options to tell it to try to keep block up or spam shields, lol.

YES! I would pay 10k Crowns immediately.

Sandman929 · June 2017

McCracken79 wrote: »

This just does not make sense. PvP is dynamic, is this PvP dummy going to block, roll dodge and bash? You're not going to get the right stats with just a 20K health PvP dummy that stands still, it'll be dead is 2 seconds.

I pretty much agree with this. It's fine if they make a PvP dummy, whatever that entails, but unlike a DPS Test for PvE this would tell you absolutely nothing about how you'll perform in Cyrodiil or BGs.

Vindemiatrix · June 2017

Pretty sure Cyrodiil is already chock full of PvP dummies.

raasdal · June 2017

Sandman929 wrote: »

McCracken79 wrote: »

This just does not make sense. PvP is dynamic, is this PvP dummy going to block, roll dodge and bash? You're not going to get the right stats with just a 20K health PvP dummy that stands still, it'll be dead is 2 seconds.

I pretty much agree with this. It's fine if they make a PvP dummy, whatever that entails, but unlike a DPS Test for PvE this would tell you absolutely nothing about how you'll perform in Cyrodiil or BGs.

Read just above your post. It will tell you everything you need to know, if you are a skilled player and theorycrafter.

Sure. If you only play by copying something a streamer does, it will be of no use to you.

raasdal · June 2017

Vindemiatrix wrote: »

Pretty sure Cyrodiil is already chock full of PvP dummies.

Yup. But still damn inconvenient

NewBlacksmurf · June 2017

Didn't they add dueling and SCT

Maybe you're just asking for the report part to apply outside of the dps dummies?

Malamar1229 · June 2017

We do. It's called Wrobel

Hahahaha

/drops mic

BohnT · June 2017

Yes please it's extremely important to have such data. You need to know if setup x has enough burst potential to kill target y in time t with z resources spent. This would help so much with theorycrafting. It's not about gaining battle experience it's about learning if a setup is useable in the first place.
Almost any build has some kind of burst rota so you need to test if it deals enough damage to a player in a perfect environment if you can't kill him there you'll never will

Danksta · June 2017

I can't believe how many people don't understand the concept of theory crafting.

raasdal · June 2017

Danksta wrote: »

I can't believe how many people don't understand the concept of theory crafting.

Funny thing is, as you dont say wether you agree or not, i am unable to determine if you understand the concept yourself.

SirAndy · June 2017

raasdal wrote: »

Please, can we haz?

Find that guy named Fengrush, he always wears the latest gear but he's pretty much just a push-over test dummy.

Beardimus · June 2017

Agree with this. Sliders for health and resistances would be mint.

Dummies right now interest Trials boys and that's it. Useless for tracking burst etc.

SilverWF · June 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

For a second I thought this was about me....

It is.
And still.

KeiruNicrom · June 2017

Being able to make one of those straw dummies at the siege tutorial would be nice as a pvp dummy. Craftable with one of the three alliance tabards too for aethstetics. The problem would be determining the stats of the pvp dummy for testing. Armour value, health, hp regen, etc would all need to be customizable to really test anything reliably

rivenjr · June 2017

Agreed. C'mon @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_GinaBruno we are constantly giving ideas to make more money off of us. Put some of those outsourced programmers on it and make some loot!!

Sliders and configuration would be awesome but realistically a Tank, DPS, and healer dummy would be more profitable, huh?

Or maybe you do all the roles, classes, and races in a separate dummy for each combo and charge thousands of crowns for each one? Y-Ye-Yeah!! That's the ticket!!! Now we're just raking in that gamer dough yo!

C'mon make housing great again!!!