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Cyrodiil Suicide Bombers
Lord_Etrigan
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Hi everybody,
First off I have to admit that I'm relativly new to the PVP scene so hence my below observation and question.
I Sometimes do manage to get into Cyrodiil between lag and freeze screens and last night again I noticed this phenomenon of suicide bombers.
I call them that due to the following reason:
Players would equip Proximity Detonation and Eye of the Storm and run into a crowd of enemy players knowing full well he/she is most likely to be cut down but hoping to take as many enemies with him/her as posible.
In in a space of 2 min I must have counted about 5 suicide bombers. Look I grand that its effective but my question is as follows:
Is this a new and increasing phenomenon or has this playstyle always been around.
Ps. lets keep it to the game and leave politics out of it.
First off I have to admit that I'm relativly new to the PVP scene so hence my below observation and question.
I Sometimes do manage to get into Cyrodiil between lag and freeze screens and last night again I noticed this phenomenon of suicide bombers.
I call them that due to the following reason:
Players would equip Proximity Detonation and Eye of the Storm and run into a crowd of enemy players knowing full well he/she is most likely to be cut down but hoping to take as many enemies with him/her as posible.
In in a space of 2 min I must have counted about 5 suicide bombers. Look I grand that its effective but my question is as follows:
Is this a new and increasing phenomenon or has this playstyle always been around.
Ps. lets keep it to the game and leave politics out of it.
PS4 EU
Lord Etrigan (Former Emperor): PVE High Elf Sorcerer
Nyssa al Ghul: PVP Nightblade Wood Elf (Ganker)
Lady-Death : PVP High Elf Sorcerer (8 x Campaigns Former Empress and Grand Warlord) Retired:(
Achmed-Silence I keel you: PVP Dark Elf Nightblade (Suicide Bomber)
I'm with stupid: PVP Argonian Magic Temp (Group support and healer).
Guild:
The Order of Stolas (Founder and Guild Master)
Faction: Aldmeri Dominion
Her Royal Highness Queen Ayrenn Arana wants You for Dominion.
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!
Lord Etrigan (Former Emperor): PVE High Elf Sorcerer
Nyssa al Ghul: PVP Nightblade Wood Elf (Ganker)
Lady-Death : PVP High Elf Sorcerer (8 x Campaigns Former Empress and Grand Warlord) Retired:(
Achmed-Silence I keel you: PVP Dark Elf Nightblade (Suicide Bomber)
I'm with stupid: PVP Argonian Magic Temp (Group support and healer).
Guild:
The Order of Stolas (Founder and Guild Master)
Faction: Aldmeri Dominion
Her Royal Highness Queen Ayrenn Arana wants You for Dominion.
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!
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IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭Yes, blade cloak and “Bastion of the Heartland “ are very nice counters thou
Xbox-EU-AD
Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.1 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's a very popular Nightblade build which if the player is good doesn't actually end in death.
It's been around for a while now, but there have been some nerfs over time to Proxy and other skills. The main weakness of the build is it doesn't actually do anything vs spread enemies. So if your raid has an open area to starburst when you see the signs you can just spread.
Also having someone with a negate magic ready to throw on top of your group is pretty good at shutting them down.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."2 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lord_Etrigan wrote: »Hi everybody,
First off I have to admit that I'm relativly new to the PVP scene so hence my below observation and question.
I Sometimes do manage to get into Cyrodiil between lag and freeze screens and last night again I noticed this phenomenon of suicide bombers.
I call them that due to the following reason:
Players would equip Proximity Detonation and Eye of the Storm and run into a crowd of enemy players knowing full well he/she is most likely to be cut down but hoping to take as many enemies with him/her as posible.
In in a space of 2 min I must have counted about 5 suicide bombers. Look I grand that its effective but my question is as follows:
Is this a new and increasing phenomenon or has this playstyle always been around.
Ps. lets keep it to the game and leave politics out of it.
it is the bomber build (also Sypher was making this video earlier about it),
someone else wrote about it earlier too:
"It is not as easy as it sounds and takes impeccable timing,
Basically they use the folowing,
Clever Alchemist on back bar,
Vicious Death on front bar,
Skills req,
Proxy detonation,
soul Tether,
Sap Essence,
Mage light,
They drink a potion on the clever alchemist bar,
Put down a shadow image,
sneak or lotus fan into the middle of a zerg when the time is right,
proxy detonation and soul tether at the same time,
Sap essence to finish those still alive and shadow image back to their spawn,"
Sypher:
playstyle video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK19S2YPAUM
build video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENk6kPwdKc 3 -
Lord_Etrigan✭✭✭✭It's a very popular Nightblade build which if the player is good doesn't actually end in death.
It's been around for a while now, but there have been some nerfs over time to Proxy and other skills. The main weakness of the build is it doesn't actually do anything vs spread enemies. So if your raid has an open area to starburst when you see the signs you can just spread.
Also having someone with a negate magic ready to throw on top of your group is pretty good at shutting them down.
That sounds like a good counter however I noticed that they would do it when everyone is on the keeps doorstep and would not be surprised if one of the sets they were wearing are Vicious Death.PS4 EU
Lord Etrigan (Former Emperor): PVE High Elf Sorcerer
Nyssa al Ghul: PVP Nightblade Wood Elf (Ganker)
Lady-Death : PVP High Elf Sorcerer (8 x Campaigns Former Empress and Grand Warlord) Retired:(
Achmed-Silence I keel you: PVP Dark Elf Nightblade (Suicide Bomber)
I'm with stupid: PVP Argonian Magic Temp (Group support and healer).
Guild:
The Order of Stolas (Founder and Guild Master)
Faction: Aldmeri Dominion
Her Royal Highness Queen Ayrenn Arana wants You for Dominion.
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!0 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lord_Etrigan wrote: »It's a very popular Nightblade build which if the player is good doesn't actually end in death.
It's been around for a while now, but there have been some nerfs over time to Proxy and other skills. The main weakness of the build is it doesn't actually do anything vs spread enemies. So if your raid has an open area to starburst when you see the signs you can just spread.
Also having someone with a negate magic ready to throw on top of your group is pretty good at shutting them down.
That sounds like a good counter however I noticed that they would do it when everyone is on the keeps doorstep and would not be surprised if one of the sets they were wearing are Vicious Death.
the build uses totally the moment of surprise and burst damage, as I read on the forums, it is pretty hard to do the timing right (not to die, as Sypher did it in the video I posted above)1 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
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Pretty much everyone with it will run Vicious Death.Lord_Etrigan wrote: »It's a very popular Nightblade build which if the player is good doesn't actually end in death.
It's been around for a while now, but there have been some nerfs over time to Proxy and other skills. The main weakness of the build is it doesn't actually do anything vs spread enemies. So if your raid has an open area to starburst when you see the signs you can just spread.
Also having someone with a negate magic ready to throw on top of your group is pretty good at shutting them down.
That sounds like a good counter however I noticed that they would do it when everyone is on the keeps doorstep and would not be surprised if one of the sets they were wearing are Vicious Death.
I have run this myself and one of my friends was legend at it when the build first emerged (he's still pretty good now, but updates made it weaker).
The issue is whilst you'll get kills and AP, if a few people survive the burst they will just raise their allies.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."0 -
Lord_Etrigan✭✭✭✭Lord_Etrigan wrote: »It's a very popular Nightblade build which if the player is good doesn't actually end in death.
It's been around for a while now, but there have been some nerfs over time to Proxy and other skills. The main weakness of the build is it doesn't actually do anything vs spread enemies. So if your raid has an open area to starburst when you see the signs you can just spread.
Also having someone with a negate magic ready to throw on top of your group is pretty good at shutting them down.
That sounds like a good counter however I noticed that they would do it when everyone is on the keeps doorstep and would not be surprised if one of the sets they were wearing are Vicious Death.
the build uses totally the moment of surprise and burst damage, as I read on the forums, it is pretty hard to do the timing right (not to die, as Sypher did it in the video I posted above)
Thanks, I have to go check it out it out as I have nightblade guild mate who might be interested in going this route.
PS4 EU
Lord Etrigan (Former Emperor): PVE High Elf Sorcerer
Nyssa al Ghul: PVP Nightblade Wood Elf (Ganker)
Lady-Death : PVP High Elf Sorcerer (8 x Campaigns Former Empress and Grand Warlord) Retired:(
Achmed-Silence I keel you: PVP Dark Elf Nightblade (Suicide Bomber)
I'm with stupid: PVP Argonian Magic Temp (Group support and healer).
Guild:
The Order of Stolas (Founder and Guild Master)
Faction: Aldmeri Dominion
Her Royal Highness Queen Ayrenn Arana wants You for Dominion.
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!0 -
WhiteMage✭✭✭✭✭
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Pretty much everyone with it will run Vicious Death.Lord_Etrigan wrote: »It's a very popular Nightblade build which if the player is good doesn't actually end in death.
It's been around for a while now, but there have been some nerfs over time to Proxy and other skills. The main weakness of the build is it doesn't actually do anything vs spread enemies. So if your raid has an open area to starburst when you see the signs you can just spread.
Also having someone with a negate magic ready to throw on top of your group is pretty good at shutting them down.
That sounds like a good counter however I noticed that they would do it when everyone is on the keeps doorstep and would not be surprised if one of the sets they were wearing are Vicious Death.
I have run this myself and one of my friends was legend at it when the build first emerged (he's still pretty good now, but updates made it weaker).
The issue is whilst you'll get kills and AP, if a few people survive the burst they will just raise their allies.
All that AP though... yesterday in Sotha Sil a pug zerg and I were taking ales farm when a NB bomber jumped in the middle of us with EotS, proxy, and groth. He must have VDed a potato because it was over in 3 seconds... I guess I was the only one paying attention enough to mist form out of the way. The entire raid wiped to the NB and I can only imagine the glee and AP he got from that.
In that moment and nearly all like it, it's not about wiping the raid, it's about the AP you get from it.The generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?2 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
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If all you care about is AP, sure it's great.
Pretty much everyone with it will run Vicious Death.Lord_Etrigan wrote: »It's a very popular Nightblade build which if the player is good doesn't actually end in death.
It's been around for a while now, but there have been some nerfs over time to Proxy and other skills. The main weakness of the build is it doesn't actually do anything vs spread enemies. So if your raid has an open area to starburst when you see the signs you can just spread.
Also having someone with a negate magic ready to throw on top of your group is pretty good at shutting them down.
That sounds like a good counter however I noticed that they would do it when everyone is on the keeps doorstep and would not be surprised if one of the sets they were wearing are Vicious Death.
I have run this myself and one of my friends was legend at it when the build first emerged (he's still pretty good now, but updates made it weaker).
The issue is whilst you'll get kills and AP, if a few people survive the burst they will just raise their allies.
All that AP though... yesterday in Sotha Sil a pug zerg and I were taking ales farm when a NB bomber jumped in the middle of us with EotS, proxy, and groth. He must have VDed a potato because it was over in 3 seconds... I guess I was the only one paying attention enough to mist form out of the way. The entire raid wiped to the NB and I can only imagine the glee and AP he got from that.
In that moment and nearly all like it, it's not about wiping the raid, it's about the AP you get from it.
If you're there for fighting it can get boring.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."1 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lord_Etrigan wrote: »Lord_Etrigan wrote: »It's a very popular Nightblade build which if the player is good doesn't actually end in death.
It's been around for a while now, but there have been some nerfs over time to Proxy and other skills. The main weakness of the build is it doesn't actually do anything vs spread enemies. So if your raid has an open area to starburst when you see the signs you can just spread.
Also having someone with a negate magic ready to throw on top of your group is pretty good at shutting them down.
That sounds like a good counter however I noticed that they would do it when everyone is on the keeps doorstep and would not be surprised if one of the sets they were wearing are Vicious Death.
the build uses totally the moment of surprise and burst damage, as I read on the forums, it is pretty hard to do the timing right (not to die, as Sypher did it in the video I posted above)
Thanks, I have to go check it out it out as I have nightblade guild mate who might be interested in going this route.
My khajiit also would wanna try it
, but is a total noob in PVP and does not have the proxi det skill unlocked yet 
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WhiteMage✭✭✭✭✭
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If all you care about is AP, sure it's great.
Pretty much everyone with it will run Vicious Death.Lord_Etrigan wrote: »It's a very popular Nightblade build which if the player is good doesn't actually end in death.
It's been around for a while now, but there have been some nerfs over time to Proxy and other skills. The main weakness of the build is it doesn't actually do anything vs spread enemies. So if your raid has an open area to starburst when you see the signs you can just spread.
Also having someone with a negate magic ready to throw on top of your group is pretty good at shutting them down.
That sounds like a good counter however I noticed that they would do it when everyone is on the keeps doorstep and would not be surprised if one of the sets they were wearing are Vicious Death.
I have run this myself and one of my friends was legend at it when the build first emerged (he's still pretty good now, but updates made it weaker).
The issue is whilst you'll get kills and AP, if a few people survive the burst they will just raise their allies.
All that AP though... yesterday in Sotha Sil a pug zerg and I were taking ales farm when a NB bomber jumped in the middle of us with EotS, proxy, and groth. He must have VDed a potato because it was over in 3 seconds... I guess I was the only one paying attention enough to mist form out of the way. The entire raid wiped to the NB and I can only imagine the glee and AP he got from that.
In that moment and nearly all like it, it's not about wiping the raid, it's about the AP you get from it.
If you're there for fighting it can get boring.
Eh, maybe. Granted, it isn't much of a fight in and of itself, but... have you ever 1vXed? That's fun right there, when you get to see the bodies of your enemies lying before you, counting all that AP you earned. Now double the AP, triple it, quadruple it, even raise it eight-fold, and do the same to the number of bodies. That is its own kind of satisfaction right there. Well, maybe that's because I can count the number of successful bombings I've done on one hand. It's a rare treat.The generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?2 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Etrigan wrote: »Hi everybody,
First off I have to admit that I'm relativly new to the PVP scene so hence my below observation and question.
I Sometimes do manage to get into Cyrodiil between lag and freeze screens and last night again I noticed this phenomenon of suicide bombers.
I call them that due to the following reason:
Players would equip Proximity Detonation and Eye of the Storm and run into a crowd of enemy players knowing full well he/she is most likely to be cut down but hoping to take as many enemies with him/her as posible.
In in a space of 2 min I must have counted about 5 suicide bombers. Look I grand that its effective but my question is as follows:
Is this a new and increasing phenomenon or has this playstyle always been around.
Ps. lets keep it to the game and leave politics out of it.
it is the bomber build (also Sypher was making this video earlier about it),
someone else wrote about it earlier too:
"It is not as easy as it sounds and takes impeccable timing,
Basically they use the folowing,
Clever Alchemist on back bar,
Vicious Death on front bar,
Skills req,
Proxy detonation,
soul Tether,
Sap Essence,
Mage light,
They drink a potion on the clever alchemist bar,
Put down a shadow image,
sneak or lotus fan into the middle of a zerg when the time is right,
proxy detonation and soul tether at the same time,
Sap essence to finish those still alive and shadow image back to their spawn,"
Sypher:
playstyle video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK19S2YPAUM
build video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENk6kPwdKc
Now add moving targets to those things mentioned above. To get out alive with these builds are harder than it looks.0 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lord_Etrigan wrote: »Hi everybody,
First off I have to admit that I'm relativly new to the PVP scene so hence my below observation and question.
I Sometimes do manage to get into Cyrodiil between lag and freeze screens and last night again I noticed this phenomenon of suicide bombers.
I call them that due to the following reason:
Players would equip Proximity Detonation and Eye of the Storm and run into a crowd of enemy players knowing full well he/she is most likely to be cut down but hoping to take as many enemies with him/her as posible.
In in a space of 2 min I must have counted about 5 suicide bombers. Look I grand that its effective but my question is as follows:
Is this a new and increasing phenomenon or has this playstyle always been around.
Ps. lets keep it to the game and leave politics out of it.
it is the bomber build (also Sypher was making this video earlier about it),
someone else wrote about it earlier too:
"It is not as easy as it sounds and takes impeccable timing,
Basically they use the folowing,
Clever Alchemist on back bar,
Vicious Death on front bar,
Skills req,
Proxy detonation,
soul Tether,
Sap Essence,
Mage light,
They drink a potion on the clever alchemist bar,
Put down a shadow image,
sneak or lotus fan into the middle of a zerg when the time is right,
proxy detonation and soul tether at the same time,
Sap essence to finish those still alive and shadow image back to their spawn,"
Sypher:
playstyle video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK19S2YPAUM
build video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENk6kPwdKc
Now add moving targets to those things mentioned above. To get out alive with these builds are harder than it looks.
yes, it is basically a suicide bomber build, sometimes you come out of it alive0 -
Lord_Etrigan✭✭✭✭Lord_Etrigan wrote: »Hi everybody,
First off I have to admit that I'm relativly new to the PVP scene so hence my below observation and question.
I Sometimes do manage to get into Cyrodiil between lag and freeze screens and last night again I noticed this phenomenon of suicide bombers.
I call them that due to the following reason:
Players would equip Proximity Detonation and Eye of the Storm and run into a crowd of enemy players knowing full well he/she is most likely to be cut down but hoping to take as many enemies with him/her as posible.
In in a space of 2 min I must have counted about 5 suicide bombers. Look I grand that its effective but my question is as follows:
Is this a new and increasing phenomenon or has this playstyle always been around.
Ps. lets keep it to the game and leave politics out of it.
it is the bomber build (also Sypher was making this video earlier about it),
someone else wrote about it earlier too:
"It is not as easy as it sounds and takes impeccable timing,
Basically they use the folowing,
Clever Alchemist on back bar,
Vicious Death on front bar,
Skills req,
Proxy detonation,
soul Tether,
Sap Essence,
Mage light,
They drink a potion on the clever alchemist bar,
Put down a shadow image,
sneak or lotus fan into the middle of a zerg when the time is right,
proxy detonation and soul tether at the same time,
Sap essence to finish those still alive and shadow image back to their spawn,"
Sypher:
playstyle video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK19S2YPAUM
build video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENk6kPwdKc
Now add moving targets to those things mentioned above. To get out alive with these builds are harder than it looks.
I can just imagin the self satisfaction if you do this to a group of say 20 enemies all standing at farm flag waiting for their AP... (Evil grin)
Edited by Lord_Etrigan on June 20, 2017 10:08AMPS4 EU
Lord Etrigan (Former Emperor): PVE High Elf Sorcerer
Nyssa al Ghul: PVP Nightblade Wood Elf (Ganker)
Lady-Death : PVP High Elf Sorcerer (8 x Campaigns Former Empress and Grand Warlord) Retired:(
Achmed-Silence I keel you: PVP Dark Elf Nightblade (Suicide Bomber)
I'm with stupid: PVP Argonian Magic Temp (Group support and healer).
Guild:
The Order of Stolas (Founder and Guild Master)
Faction: Aldmeri Dominion
Her Royal Highness Queen Ayrenn Arana wants You for Dominion.
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!0 -
RadRzRg✭✭✭Lord_Etrigan wrote: »Hi everybody,
First off I have to admit that I'm relativly new to the PVP scene so hence my below observation and question.
I Sometimes do manage to get into Cyrodiil between lag and freeze screens and last night again I noticed this phenomenon of suicide bombers.
I call them that due to the following reason:
Players would equip Proximity Detonation and Eye of the Storm and run into a crowd of enemy players knowing full well he/she is most likely to be cut down but hoping to take as many enemies with him/her as posible.
In in a space of 2 min I must have counted about 5 suicide bombers. Look I grand that its effective but my question is as follows:
Is this a new and increasing phenomenon or has this playstyle always been around.
Ps. lets keep it to the game and leave politics out of it.
With all due respect,the only reason you would mind this is if you zerged,and on that note,shame on you
As a "suicide bomber" myself, I want you to know that our job has been made extremely difficult over the last patches.Nerfs to proxy det,overall damage,CPs,Eye of Flame,soul tether,Vicious death. More and more players give up on that playstyle and roll their good old sustain builds. I pride myself to be 1 of the 10(max) bombers currently remaining on PC EU. But to your question, no this has been a phenomenon a long while now,and rightly so. Zergs of 60+ ADs (ADs specifically) rule Cyrodiil atm. There's only 1 way to counter them,and that is to just pump up spell damage,theory craft a bit(since sypher's build is outdated),drink up an immovable potion,and get down to business! Miraculously,some builds out there are still effective. But in any senario that you're not fighting a zerg,you'll melt like butter on a hot pan.LvL50 Stamina Templar(EP)
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LvL 50 Stamina Nightblade(AD)
LvL 50 Magicka Nightblade(EP)
LvL 50 Magicka Sorcerer(EP)
LvL 50 Magicka Dragonknight(EP)
Moved to Vivec
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Zergs should be zerged down by 1 man armies2 -
Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's a very popular Nightblade build which if the player is good doesn't actually end in death.
It's been around for a while now, but there have been some nerfs over time to Proxy and other skills. The main weakness of the build is it doesn't actually do anything vs spread enemies. So if your raid has an open area to starburst when you see the signs you can just spread.
Also having someone with a negate magic ready to throw on top of your group is pretty good at shutting them down.
Every bomber dies I see dies in their storm or shortly after it. They nerfed vd, proxy @ eye making it way easier for those tankhealer builds to survive and keep their buddies alive.
This goes for solobombing, completly different with a group.
But be sure to mention a good bomber on EU which doesn't almost always die after their bomb. I no life in vivec every day and almost never see any bomber survive unless they got a group. ^^EU | PC0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »It's a very popular Nightblade build which if the player is good doesn't actually end in death.
It's been around for a while now, but there have been some nerfs over time to Proxy and other skills. The main weakness of the build is it doesn't actually do anything vs spread enemies. So if your raid has an open area to starburst when you see the signs you can just spread.
Also having someone with a negate magic ready to throw on top of your group is pretty good at shutting them down.
Every bomber dies I see dies in their storm or shortly after it. They nerfed vd, proxy @ eye making it way easier for those tankhealer builds to survive and keep their buddies alive.
This goes for solobombing, completly different with a group.
But be sure to mention a good bomber on EU which doesn't almost always die after their bomb. I no life in vivec every day and almost never see any bomber survive unless they got a group. ^^
There should be a way to make it work with shatter soulSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique1 -
moonio✭✭✭✭This has been going on for ages, I used to jump into a zerg on my horse, because my friendly neighbourhood ZOS developer added vicious death to my horse for some unknown reason :P
Everyone would go up in flames including me, I haven't tried it for ages though so doubt I still have the ability..Just a poor healer from Glenumbra..1 -
Vermintide✭✭✭✭It's impressively powerful, but pretty gimmicky. You don't have the ability to do anything else because your whole build is focussed on a specific combo, that only works in specific circumstances. I can't imagine it's actually fun to main this playstyle and do it in Cyro every night...0 -
Asardes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Don't even need to be tanky. Magicka builds can simply cast harness when in potential danger (ex. on flag) and then spam it when actually hits and live trough the burst unscathed. My magplar (5L/1M/1H) survived a few of those bombings just fine, nuked the bomber (flame reach and reflective light into radiant) and resurrected 3-4 people right away. The build is actually very vulnerable when it loses the element of surprise.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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✭✭✭✭Another good tactic is to leave a "trap" or ground DoT skill in the middle of the group so the ganker gets caught before or during the combo. Stamina classes can use rearming trap and caltrops, magicka sorcerer mine field and other magicka builds volcanic rune. The latter is also less visible and I'm even able to use it in the open - it throws people in the air and makes them eat that ice comet when they land on their asses.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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Asardes | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 50 | Master Crafter: all traits & recipes, all styles released before High Isle
Alxaril Nelcarion | 50 High Elf Sorcerer | AD AR 20 |
Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |
Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Another good tactic is to leave a "trap" or ground DoT skill in the middle of the group so the ganker gets caught before or during the combo. Stamina classes can use rearming trap and caltrops, magicka sorcerer mine field and other magicka builds volcanic rune. The latter is also less visible and I'm even able to use it in the open - it throws people in the air and makes them eat that ice comet when they land on their asses.
Manif of terror was a good option... before Zos turned it into that ugly thing.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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That led to the wrong tendencies
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devilsTear✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »It's a very popular Nightblade build which if the player is good doesn't actually end in death.
It's been around for a while now, but there have been some nerfs over time to Proxy and other skills. The main weakness of the build is it doesn't actually do anything vs spread enemies. So if your raid has an open area to starburst when you see the signs you can just spread.
Also having someone with a negate magic ready to throw on top of your group is pretty good at shutting them down.
Every bomber dies I see dies in their storm or shortly after it. They nerfed vd, proxy @ eye making it way easier for those tankhealer builds to survive and keep their buddies alive.
This goes for solobombing, completly different with a group.
But be sure to mention a good bomber on EU which doesn't almost always die after their bomb. I no life in vivec every day and almost never see any bomber survive unless they got a group. ^^
There should be a way to make it work with shatter soul
I'm trying that with my magwarden 0 -
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✭✭Vermintide wrote: »It's impressively powerful, but pretty gimmicky. You don't have the ability to do anything else because your whole build is focussed on a specific combo, that only works in specific circumstances. I can't imagine it's actually fun to main this playstyle and do it in Cyro every night...
Outfitter addons m8. See a stack? Press a button & swap to bomber.
Get ap or die trying, then swap back to normal build with one more button press.
Makes magblade more fun
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altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Could someone of the NB theorycrafters pls comment, how (what needs to be updated) is Sypher`s bomber build outdated (someone stated that earlier here)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENk6kPwdKc
@NightbladeMechanics , @Sypher? Edited by altemriel on June 21, 2017 7:14AM0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Could someone of the NB theorycrafters pls comment, how (what needs to be updated) is Sypher`s bomber build outdated (someone stated that earlier here)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENk6kPwdKc
@NightbladeMechanics , @Sypher?
Wouldn´t say that this build is outdated. The only difference is the addition of the destruction ultimate. Some guildies I´ve spoke to prefer Soul-tether over destroult though, since it´s more burst than the destro-ultimate. But the build sypher use is still viable imo.1 -
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✭✭I theorycrafted Sypher's old VD + Willpower + Alch build way back then. Fengrush came to me at 3am on a Monday morning shortly before Thieves Guild patch released, and we talked through it. This isn't to say that the build is anything terribly complicated or special, or that Sypher wasn't a master bomber, but that bombing goes back long before Vicious Death. Many bombers came before us going all the way back to the launch of the game.
This is my favorite video that I ever released. I recorded the footage for it over a week of play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yLweA8IHBw Edited by NightbladeMechanics on June 21, 2017 8:26AMKena
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altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Could someone of the NB theorycrafters pls comment, how (what needs to be updated) is Sypher`s bomber build outdated (someone stated that earlier here)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENk6kPwdKc
@NightbladeMechanics , @Sypher?
Wouldn´t say that this build is outdated. The only difference is the addition of the destruction ultimate. Some guildies I´ve spoke to prefer Soul-tether over destroult though, since it´s more burst than the destro-ultimate. But the build sypher use is still viable imo.
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Johngo0036✭✭✭✭✭ever since proxy detonation and vicious death were introduced did we see this type of playstyle. It is fun to play and i do it myself some nights,
5 Vicious death,
5 clever alchemist,
2 kena just to add a bit more damage,
Most kills i got in one combo was 25 EP at the gate between chalman and bleakers.....
I dont play enough of this playstyle to be really good but when it works out its bliss....PC EU Megaserver
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