Enough is enough console player please read!

leepalmer95 · June 2017

Alcast wrote: »

The real question is whether they are actually able to fix the queue or not. I have been told its still buggy on pc, at least the grp queue. Still amazed that after 2 years that tool is not working propperly.
Reminds me of the cakefiasko

Battlegrounds have been in development for 2 years.

They can't even get queues to work. Its just disappointing.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

Now I understand certs cost money and doing it weekly would prob be to much but the have to man up and pay for hot fixes when payed content is totally broke

L2Pissue · June 2017

they didnt fix cyrodiil in 2 years and you expect battlegrounds fixed in 2 months wtf do you smoke

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

Please don't let this thread dissappear into the forum log console players keep commenting your complaints on this thread about this terrible patch management we need a response from them it's not acceptable any longer

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

L2Pissue wrote: »

they didnt fix cyrodiil in 2 years and you expect battlegrounds fixed in 2 months wtf do you smoke

BG is not as wide spread as cyrodiil and the hot fixes on pc are atleast helping little by little yet we are still on release patch with every bug

gootdude · June 2017

Even with today's update the BG queues are still broken. If you look at ZOS's track record with group finder, it's obvious they have no idea how to do such a basic feature correctly.

The saddest part is so many games have queueing that works perfectly, and the ones that have issues fix it so quickly. But here we are years later for group finder and it's still broken, and there were so many "fixes" since the PTS and the BG queues are still busted.

Don't hold your breath folks, the odds of this being fixed are pretty much zero.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

gootdude wrote: »

Even with today's update the BG queues are still broken. If you look at ZOS's track record with group finder, it's obvious they have no idea how to do such a basic feature correctly.

The saddest part is so many games have queueing that works perfectly, and the ones that have issues fix it so quickly. But here we are years later for group finder and it's still broken, and there were so many "fixes" since the PTS and the BG queues are still busted.

Don't hold your breath folks, the odds of this being fixed are pretty much zero.

That's sad that means if they can't get it fixed by next patch will prob have to eat another month or so for another attempt.

gootdude · June 2017

Nah, I'm done with this game since I only stayed for instanced PVP and ZOS has never been able to get the PVE instance finder to work.

We were fools to expect these queues would ever work.

Good luck getting refunds, I'm pretty sure all sales are final.

RT_Frank · June 2017

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

Please don't let this thread dissappear into the forum log console players keep commenting your complaints on this thread about this terrible patch management we need a response from them it's not acceptable any longer

I agree. I'm tired of every other thread about console bugs being shut down by many PC players that essentially give us the finger for playing on anything other than a PC.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

Cheer up folks, early reports from PC say the patch didn't fix anything anyways. They just deleted the "player declined" message and that's it. Oh and apparently solo queue is busted now too. So yay!!! We're looking at Dec 2018 before we can play BGs. Thanks Zenimax!

@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler

BigES · June 2017

Probably a symptom of most workplaces.

There are like 3 people that actually get anything done, and the rest just sit around making words.

HeroOfNone · June 2017

At the very least console should have some sort of PTS for console, or even PTS access on PC (using a controller). Most don't get any sort of feedback to up coming changes or patching.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

HeroOfNone wrote: »

At the very least console should have some sort of PTS for console, or even PTS access on PC (using a controller). Most don't get any sort of feedback to up coming changes or patching.

Would be hard on PS4 since there's no test environment. Xbox has the preview program, which could definitely be used for a PTS. Probably not with character copies and stuff like that, but definitely with templates. The Xbox Preview program is the sole reason PUBG is coming to Xbox ahead of PS4.

jircris11 · June 2017

Once again console payers don't seem to understand. There its a process to loading a patch, update or dlc to xb or ps. It had to go through Microsoft or Sony before it can be sent to you guys. Pc they do not have this limit, they simply push the patch and done. This is why toy guys get it after, not to mention there ARE slight modifications that need to be made to the coding and such when going from pc to consoles. I have been through the process for a company I use to work for and is a pain in the butt. So we used pc to test before sending it to consoles.

As for paying extra that's not zos but Microsoft and Sony charging you for live and plus.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

jircris11 wrote: »

Once again console payers don't seem to understand. There its a process to loading a patch, update or dlc to xb or ps. It had to go through Microsoft or Sony before it can be sent to you guys. Pc they do not have this limit, they simply push the patch and done. This is why toy guys get it after, not to mention there ARE slight modifications that need to be made to the coding and such when going from pc to consoles. I have been through the process for a company I use to work for and is a pain in the butt. So we used pc to test before sending it to consoles.

As for paying extra that's not zos but Microsoft and Sony charging you for live and plus.

I think you either misread or didn't fully read all the posts here. Everyone is well aware that patches on console have to go to certification. The issue is that this process does not take a full month. The process for certification of a patch takes no more than a week. For a patch the size of the one they just released on PC, it takes 2-3 days. Ubisoft routinely gets patches done in this time frame with patches of similar size. The duration can extend if Microsoft or Sony finds an issue, but if the patch is well built then it takes a week.

The issue we have is that today's patch isn't being directly submitted to Microsoft or Sony. Instead, they told us they are waiting to put it in the scheduled incremental. Which means it will be 6+ weeks after Morrowind launched on console before they even attempt a fix. @ZOS_BrianWheeler said they would push any fixes through immediately. Then Gina contradicted him and told console players they have no sense of urgency, and are sticking it a month out in a scheduled incremental. This is why console players are pissed. I paid for content. The content is broken. If this was another company, they'd push the patch to certification and we'd have it by 26 June. Instead, we are being told to pound sand because they don't want to push it through for an emergency fix.

No one is saying it should be live today, we are saying the middle of July is not acceptable.

Arcon2825 · June 2017

Maybe another thing to add to the discussion: because of the different software packaging, console updates tend to be much larger than patches for PC.
So while I agree it sucks to get patches later, I really wouldn't prefer having to download updates for ESO every week.
And this is not because I'd have a bad connection.

Only a quick summary for Xbox One:

1.7.0.0: 26,4 GB
1.7.1.0: 12 GB
1.7.2.0: 600 MB yay

1.8.0.1: 32,6 GB

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

mendres82 wrote: »

Maybe another thing to add to the discussion: because of the different software packaging, console updates tend to be much larger than patches for PC.
So while I agree it sucks to get patches later, I really wouldn't prefer having to download updates for ESO every week.
And this is not because I'd have a bad connection.

Only a quick summary for Xbox One:

1.7.0.0: 26,4 GB
1.7.1.0: 12 GB
1.7.2.0: 600 MB yay
1.8.0.1: 32,6 GB

True, but what's included in the packages matters as well. Consoles tend to get a summation of weekly(ish) pc patches all at once. A fix like this would be tailored specifically to the broken BG functions, so we'd be talking on the scale of one of the smaller patches (patch was 116 mb on PC). So it would likely be larger on console, but I doubt it would be over 1 GB.

Kay1 · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

Lmao this guy is the OP stereotype ahahahhaha im dead, he only forgot to say come on PC

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

mendres82 wrote: »

Maybe another thing to add to the discussion: because of the different software packaging, console updates tend to be much larger than patches for PC.
So while I agree it sucks to get patches later, I really wouldn't prefer having to download updates for ESO every week.
And this is not because I'd have a bad connection.

Only a quick summary for Xbox One:

1.7.0.0: 26,4 GB
1.7.1.0: 12 GB
1.7.2.0: 600 MB yay
1.8.0.1: 32,6 GB

Like i said we are not asking for weekly updates just that when major content has problems they put hit fixes out instead of waiting a month to group with other patches

ZOS_Bill · June 2017

We have had to remove a few comments from this thread for baiting. Please stay on-topic and follow the forum rules when posting.

Arcon2825 · June 2017

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

True, but what's included in the packages matters as well. Consoles tend to get a summation of weekly(ish) pc patches all at once. A fix like this would be tailored specifically to the broken BG functions, so we'd be talking on the scale of one of the smaller patches (patch was 116 mb on PC). So it would likely be larger on console, but I doubt it would be over 1 GB.

I tried to sum up all the PC patches to compare PC vs. Xbox (comparing only same patch cycle) and never came to a result near the download sizes on Xbox.
Has to be something like the launcher on PC can patch specific files while Xbox has to download the whole file again.

Anyway, I see the problem with delayed patches, I only wanted to add that if Zos changed that, for sure you would see topics like "ahhh, change that, my internet explodes".

NeillMcAttack · June 2017

If it's any consolation it's being reported that the intended fix hasn't worked on PC so it may take til mid July for PC to be fixed also.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

mendres82 wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

True, but what's included in the packages matters as well. Consoles tend to get a summation of weekly(ish) pc patches all at once. A fix like this would be tailored specifically to the broken BG functions, so we'd be talking on the scale of one of the smaller patches (patch was 116 mb on PC). So it would likely be larger on console, but I doubt it would be over 1 GB.

I tried to sum up all the PC patches to compare PC vs. Xbox (comparing only same patch cycle) and never came to a result near the download sizes on Xbox.
Has to be something like the launcher on PC can patch specific files while Xbox has to download the whole file again.

Anyway, I see the problem with delayed patches, I only wanted to add that if Zos changed that, for sure you would see topics like "ahhh, change that, my internet explodes".

Again I'm not asking for weekly updates just then when game breaking bugs like BG que don't work that they put out a hot fix patch on its own and not hold us off till the next incremental patch make us deal eith bugged content for over a month some times

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

mendres82 wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

True, but what's included in the packages matters as well. Consoles tend to get a summation of weekly(ish) pc patches all at once. A fix like this would be tailored specifically to the broken BG functions, so we'd be talking on the scale of one of the smaller patches (patch was 116 mb on PC). So it would likely be larger on console, but I doubt it would be over 1 GB.

I tried to sum up all the PC patches to compare PC vs. Xbox (comparing only same patch cycle) and never came to a result near the download sizes on Xbox.
Has to be something like the launcher on PC can patch specific files while Xbox has to download the whole file again.

Anyway, I see the problem with delayed patches, I only wanted to add that if Zos changed that, for sure you would see topics like "ahhh, change that, my internet explodes".

Oh completely agree there. All those changes where they change the animation on over world npcs and such can wait as far as I care. Its just when there's a key feature broken, that needs an immediate fix ASAP, not stuck in a incremental over a month from now.

And I'm not unreasonable, I see it from their point of view. Why waste money with a patch next week when you already have one scheduled 4 weeks from now. But when its a critical issue with a broken feature, that matters and it needs fixed ASAP. Be like your AC guy telling you to deal with your AC being out for 4 weeks because they already scheduled a maintenance for a month from now lol.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

If it's any consolation it's being reported that the intended fix hasn't worked on PC so it may take til mid July for PC to be fixed also.

Only prob with that is that means console will have to wait another month after that also

SwaminoNowlino · June 2017

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

If it's any consolation it's being reported that the intended fix hasn't worked on PC so it may take til mid July for PC to be fixed also.

But there is lies a key problem that we highlighted. We are supposed to get this patch in mid-July. For a patch that didn't work. If they don't get the PC issues fixed until Mid-July, we are looking at August or September before its fixed on console.

hamburgerler76 · June 2017

HeroOfNone wrote: »

At the very least console should have some sort of PTS for console, or even PTS access on PC (using a controller). Most don't get any sort of feedback to up coming changes or patching.

Yes also this is a 2nd problem to console as we have different play styles and views from a couch console point of view yet we get to give no feed back unless we watch some streams case in point did console players know they tested console text chat on pc pts? Like I wonder how many of them even knew it was there or even bothered to try it. Console players should be able to log into pc pts if they have a computer

dmar613 · June 2017

In the beginning of this game's release i had asked zos to changed their patch process for updates to be streamlined for consoles. they stated it cost extra money which they did not want to fork up. This was for regular patches and hotfixes, now we have a Main feature BG's que broken and zos does not want to spend the money needed to fix the problem. its sad, they could give two *** about console players we are peasents to them. we are low priortity or at least the pvp aspects of this game, and it shows... the famous quote," you know you don't have to be here right?" they play us for fools, and we are fools for speding our time and money on this game and they cant even please their pvp audience.... why? because this game didnt pull the money they wanted w the pvp route and went to crown sales pve items and whale sales thats where their audience is and thats who they are catering to with their priorities... now being console and pvp.... GG they dont give a *** man they don't, i'll say it time and time again their actions do not prove it!!!!!! no effort, no passion, no love, no community, no leadership it starts from the top and trickles down.... they game has tremendous pvp potential, i'll repeat Tremendous ! they just flush it down the gutter because it didnt go the way they wanted it to.... no the team has downsized, to what seems like one programmer who does coding to remove bugs and all others work on crown sale items and the likes, their superiors dont give them the budget to make these things happen.

JKorr · June 2017

dmar613 wrote: »

In the beginning of this game's release i had asked zos to changed their patch process for updates to be streamlined for consoles. they stated it cost extra money which they did not want to fork up. This was for regular patches and hotfixes, now we have a Main feature BG's que broken and zos does not want to spend the money needed to fix the problem. its sad, they could give two *** about console players we are peasents to them. we are low priortity or at least the pvp aspects of this game, and it shows... the famous quote," you know you don't have to be here right?" they play us for fools, and we are fools for speding our time and money on this game and they cant even please their pvp audience.... why? because this game didnt pull the money they wanted w the pvp route and went to crown sales pve items and whale sales thats where their audience is and thats who they are catering to with their priorities... now being console and pvp.... GG they dont give a *** man they don't, i'll say it time and time again their actions do not prove it!!!!!! no effort, no passion, no love, no community, no leadership it starts from the top and trickles down.... they game has tremendous pvp potential, i'll repeat Tremendous ! they just flush it down the gutter because it didnt go the way they wanted it to.... no the team has downsized, to what seems like one programmer who does coding to remove bugs and all others work on crown sale items and the likes, their superiors dont give them the budget to make these things happen.

The famous taken out of context quote "you know you don't have to be here, right"? That quote? That quote was in a thread where a dev was discussing playing their character in the game. Not talking about fixes, glitches, or what a pos game it was. The person who crashed the thread and kept bringing up all the things they personally didn't like/had issues with/thought was broken when the dev said they couldn't discuss anything like that is what prompted that quote. All the other posters were discussing the fun stuff they found playing the game, with a dev who was in the discussion as a player who was having fun playing the game. The dev finally got fed up with the threadcrapper and said, after all the complaints about what a piece of crap the game was, "You know you don't have to be here, right?" Really; if someone is that unhappy, there is no point to them staying to play a game they don't like that makes them miserable.

QUEZ420 · June 2017

laksikus wrote: »

console players get every patch 2-3 weeks late, its been like that since 2 years, since the start.

At least PC players beta test for you, find bugs and so on.
You just could have canceled your preorder when you heard about all the bugs on PC, no reason to whine about it now.

Lol facts.