Enough is enough console player please read!

MLGProPlayer

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Console patches are delayed a few weeks for almost every multiplat game. Not sure why this is troubling you now. It's part of the territory of owning a console. Sony and MS make a mess out of patching.

Not sure how you arrived at this conclusion.

Official MS protocol is to queue a patch for verification for a week or so....

Patch released on PC instantly.

Patch on console can be sent to MS at this time for verification, So it should be week but nothing...

Zos confirm will be mid July for a fix that is know not to work on PC as of yesterday but still proceeds....

Arrives on console months later, as experienced by all on these platforms...will not work anyway, actual fix will be deployed later on, no ETA on an actual fix.

How do you arrive at "Sony and MS make a mess out of patching"? Serious question.

Again other developers have delivered patches in the promised time (that actually work) in far shorter time frames than ZOS.

And again....No console patch has ever ever ever arrived within "A few weeks" All Patches to date have come 2 months down the line at best, at present we never got an actual fix post homestead of any use to fix EG Maw being broken, it got ignored again and again until over 100 days later Morrowind dropped and low and behold it's still shite.

Failing to see how this is a MS and Sony issue, They just host and deliver. That is all, everything else is on ZOS.

PC players seem to think their world will end by consoles being looked after better, Almost like a child being told his parents are having another kid...AAAhhhhh My toys will be neglected.

Most of your patches come 2 weeks after the PC patch. That's 1 week for testing on PC and 1 week for certification (they don't want to have to be fixing two patches simultaneously). That seems pretty reasonable to me.

If some patches take longer than that, it's probably because they need to get more testing in on the PC side (see the Battlegrounds patch right now). Sure, in an ideal world they would have a large team for each platform, but that isn't feasible.

Again this is only dlc release and not what we are talking about bug fixes that you get in a day or a week we wait months for. For what zos called a incremental patch witch they bundle a bunch of pc patchest together to save money on cert please understand that

Only major dlc drops like thieves guild morrowind stuff like that do we get 2 weeks after you nothing else

Gotchya. I thought it was everything.

In that case, major bug fixes should definitely be rolled out sooner.

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KingJ

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

Xbox one x will as good as most high end pcs if not better it will render true 4k gaming and 60 fps or better depending how dev choose to use the extra power all you need to do is look at the specs buddy

[snip] And especially don't feed them with advertised specs for the One X. I've always played on console, but I am by no means a fan boy for one platform over the other. Honestly, if the One X delivers 50% of what is actually advertised when its actually in use I will be surprised. The PS4 Pro was supposed to revolutionize gaming, and it never lived up to the performance metrics advertised. The One X is highly unlikely to outperform the PS4 in any appreciable way. I'd love for it to, but to get similar performance on a PC, you would need a graphics card that costs more than the entire console. So they're definitely going cheap on the build somewhere (I see red rings of death in the future). But that's all just speculation. And not the point of this thread anyways.

TLDR: Console players are well aware of the console certification process. The console certification process excuse doesn't even fit, since Gina told us they weren't submitting it ASAP, but sticking it in a scheduled incremental instead. All us console players want is to get emergency patches for completely broken content in a timely fashion. If it costs ZOS money, then oh well. That's what they get for releasing busted content despite being warned.

Lol it already has they showed it off it it's up to dev to use the extra power but it's deff there

XB1X specs are on par with a mid-level gaming PC (GPU is usually the equivalent of an X60 Nvidia card). Consoles always release as mid-end gaming PCs. The XB1X is no different (most games will still be running at 30 fps). The cost to create an actual "high end" console would be enormous. Console manufacturers use cheap hardware and then game devs optimize games to squeeze out every last drop of performance from the hardware.

Ide love to see the mid teir pc that can hit 4k 60 fps on games like battle field for 500 bucks I'll get that instead lol

You're not going to be able to build a mid-end gaming PC for $500, but definitely for ~$700-800. There is no denying that consoles give more bang for your buck (because console manufacturer's use custom hardware that has had certain features shaved off, plus they buy hardware in bulk). But giving more bang for your buck =/= competing with gaming PCs.

Show me a build for a gaming PC that can run games at 4k with 60 FPS for 700-800$ to get a PC to do that it's at least a grand.Most of those are on the High end gaming scale of PC.
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hamburgerler76

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Console patches are delayed a few weeks for almost every multiplat game. Not sure why this is troubling you now. It's part of the territory of owning a console. Sony and MS make a mess out of patching.

Not sure how you arrived at this conclusion.

Official MS protocol is to queue a patch for verification for a week or so....

Patch released on PC instantly.

Patch on console can be sent to MS at this time for verification, So it should be week but nothing...

Zos confirm will be mid July for a fix that is know not to work on PC as of yesterday but still proceeds....

Arrives on console months later, as experienced by all on these platforms...will not work anyway, actual fix will be deployed later on, no ETA on an actual fix.

How do you arrive at "Sony and MS make a mess out of patching"? Serious question.

Again other developers have delivered patches in the promised time (that actually work) in far shorter time frames than ZOS.

And again....No console patch has ever ever ever arrived within "A few weeks" All Patches to date have come 2 months down the line at best, at present we never got an actual fix post homestead of any use to fix EG Maw being broken, it got ignored again and again until over 100 days later Morrowind dropped and low and behold it's still shite.

Failing to see how this is a MS and Sony issue, They just host and deliver. That is all, everything else is on ZOS.

PC players seem to think their world will end by consoles being looked after better, Almost like a child being told his parents are having another kid...AAAhhhhh My toys will be neglected.

Most of your patches come 2 weeks after the PC patch. That's 1 week for testing on PC and 1 week for certification (they don't want to have to be fixing two patches simultaneously). That seems pretty reasonable to me.

If some patches take longer than that, it's probably because they need to get more testing in on the PC side (see the Battlegrounds patch right now). Sure, in an ideal world they would have a large team for each platform, but that isn't feasible.

Again this is only dlc release and not what we are talking about bug fixes that you get in a day or a week we wait months for. For what zos called a incremental patch witch they bundle a bunch of pc patchest together to save money on cert please understand that

Only major dlc drops like thieves guild morrowind stuff like that do we get 2 weeks after you nothing else

Gotchya. I thought it was everything.

In that case, major bug fixes should definitely be rolled out sooner.

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Literally only thing this post is asking for that zos stop trying to save money on console players especially on content like morrowind BG that we had to pay 40$ for

eso_lags

Not gonna read all these comments but ill give my input. I play xbox, i have played some pc but not much, and i have used the PTS for the last few updates. I have made similar posts a few times, to me as a player it seems like zos does not play/care about console. There is always something severely broken that never gets fixed. Vma crashing and lagging. Maw crashing and lagging (worse than vma). But the one that really aggravates and gets to me is the PVP lag.

If there is 20-30 plus people in one area in cyrodil, say around a keep, you cannot pvp and certainly not solo pvp. Its UNPLAYABLE LAG, and its a joke. I love solo pvp, its all i want to do, and for months and months it just gets harder and harder. The zergs/groups benefit from the lag. Every skill of mine that doesn't go off they get more chances, every time something screws up they get more chances. I have videos of what looks to me like 2 frames per second, only being able to cast every 1/4 skills. Its awful and has been for a long time. Ive seen PC players having huge bridge fights and we do to, but its miserable. Its the most non-competitive type of combat and i dont mean right in the mix of things, even on the edge or meters away just trying to get a fight its still awful.. This game has turned into zerg vs zerg, at least on xbox, and small scale is almost nowhere. This makes kiting people so hard because you kite from the zerg you still get lag from the zerg.

I've been asking @ZOS_GinaBruno and others to acknowledge this and just say either sorry this is how it is, or it will get better with next gen... ANYTHING. But ive never seen them acknowledge it anywhere.. So ya I am definitely sick of how console has been treated, with the lag especially, and with other things as well.

ispellbad

eso_lags

@Karivaa YES! this is what ive said they should do, players would rather them take it down, take time and actually fix it. But whenever they take it down for a long time (6-8 hours) its just to put in a new update with a ton of new bugs.

One problem zos has is that they cannot or will not be honest with us. I lose a lot of respect for them over that.

russelmmendoza

I play eso on both pc and ps4.
I hate the almost weekly patch on pc. Although playing in pc is better.
I love the seldom patch on ps4. Playing on ps4 is quite laggy.
My pc is a win7 64 bit ult. Amd a8 7600 cpu 8gb ram 128 bit 1gb r250 vc.
I play on pc with low settings with smooth 60 fps.
I play on ps4 on high settings compared to my pc on poor fps. It lags.

I guess more patches makes the game better.
Ps4 get less patches than pc.
So playing on pc is better.

Dr.NRG

The morrowinf patch is a joke anyway. Yes they fixed some balance and did a great job on the cp system but the made everything worse by removing cp from bg and pvp campaigns. Now we got 1 campaign left and que times are even more ridiculous.
Your not even listening too us ZOS it has been made clear so many times that proc sets and poisons are broken in pvp and 80% or more of all pvpers dont want them! Now what do you do? You created a patch that completely revived the poison proc meta that you halfa** tryed to fix the last patch.
On Top of that you made us pay extra for morrowind and sht aint working! Even pve! It is so laggy in morrowind that you are getting a headache after playing for just a bit.

Dr.NRG

I was so exited for morrowind and playing the warden and now I barly even play the game anymore cause it is so hard to enjoy:(

nick_dean14

It really is quite telling that, after 5 pages, half of all the comments are from console players having to reiterate what they're complaining about after a PC player turns up to blame a 6 week delay on a 1 week Sony/Microsoft verification process, and the only two posts from Zenimax are to delete comments rather than offer any response.

Beardimus

Personally i don't live on the game. So id vote for more downtime if they fixed all the bugs.

iGuavaTH

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

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As of tomorrow I am sub-free and will stay so until things improve and until Morrowind becomes available in Asia.
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hamburgerler76

Dr.NRG wrote: »

The morrowinf patch is a joke anyway. Yes they fixed some balance and did a great job on the cp system but the made everything worse by removing cp from bg and pvp campaigns. Now we got 1 campaign left and que times are even more ridiculous.
Your not even listening too us ZOS it has been made clear so many times that proc sets and poisons are broken in pvp and 80% or more of all pvpers dont want them! Now what do you do? You created a patch that completely revived the poison proc meta that you halfa** tryed to fix the last patch.
On Top of that you made us pay extra for morrowind and sht aint working! Even pve! It is so laggy in morrowind that you are getting a headache after playing for just a bit.

Please stay on topic this is not a morrowind complaint thread but a thread about the fact that we only get dlc updates 2 weeks after pc but bug fixes or anything like that we wait months for some times

hamburgerler76

@ZOS_GinaBruno how much do we need to speak up to get you to say anything?? This is page after page of console players fed up with how this game is managed in console and comment after comment of pc players putting us down cuss of how we play step in say anything say you will look into it say f off we hate you and just want your money just say anything 6k views how much do we need?!?!?

DRXHarbinger

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno how much do we need to speak up to get you to say anything?? This is page after page of console players fed up with how this game is managed in console and comment after comment of pc players putting us down cuss of how we play step in say anything say you will look into it say f off we hate you and just want your money just say anything 6k views how much do we need?!?!?

They don't read these reads or answer them. Look at the old vmol thread near 300k views and they ignored the last 1.5 months of it.

leepalmer95

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno how much do we need to speak up to get you to say anything?? This is page after page of console players fed up with how this game is managed in console and comment after comment of pc players putting us down cuss of how we play step in say anything say you will look into it say f off we hate you and just want your money just say anything 6k views how much do we need?!?!?

They don't read these reads or answer them. Look at the old vmol thread near 300k views and they ignored the last 1.5 months of it.

It took them 2 years to reduce aoe caps.

Remember the aoe caps thread? Thousands of responses to the poll with thousands of comments.

DRXHarbinger

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno how much do we need to speak up to get you to say anything?? This is page after page of console players fed up with how this game is managed in console and comment after comment of pc players putting us down cuss of how we play step in say anything say you will look into it say f off we hate you and just want your money just say anything 6k views how much do we need?!?!?

They don't read these reads or answer them. Look at the old vmol thread near 300k views and they ignored the last 1.5 months of it.

It took them 2 years to reduce aoe caps.

Remember the aoe caps thread? Thousands of responses to the poll with thousands of comments.

Lol yeah. And in fact it made proxy a joke now. I got hit the other day for 22k with a proxy det. Definitely made breaching a little harder and longer. Who knows in 2 years time we may have the damage limitation on the 7th enemy onwards being removed...

hamburgerler76

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno how much do we need to speak up to get you to say anything?? This is page after page of console players fed up with how this game is managed in console and comment after comment of pc players putting us down cuss of how we play step in say anything say you will look into it say f off we hate you and just want your money just say anything 6k views how much do we need?!?!?

They don't read these reads or answer them. Look at the old vmol thread near 300k views and they ignored the last 1.5 months of it.

It took them 2 years to reduce aoe caps.

Remember the aoe caps thread? Thousands of responses to the poll with thousands of comments.

Lol yeah. And in fact it made proxy a joke now. I got hit the other day for 22k with a proxy det. Definitely made breaching a little harder and longer. Who knows in 2 years time we may have the damage limitation on the 7th enemy onwards being removed...

Let's try to stay stay on topic this thread is for the fact that they delay console patches on purpose to group them together to save money making us deal eith bugs for months some times longer then pc only big content and dlc release do we get 2 weeks after pc

hamburgerler76

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno how much do we need to speak up to get you to say anything?? This is page after page of console players fed up with how this game is managed in console and comment after comment of pc players putting us down cuss of how we play step in say anything say you will look into it say f off we hate you and just want your money just say anything 6k views how much do we need?!?!?

They don't read these reads or answer them. Look at the old vmol thread near 300k views and they ignored the last 1.5 months of it.

Just remember how much they value your custom when they sell new DLC/Crates etc and stay well clear. You can't be bothered to fix what we have already paid for, so why should I give you more money for even more broken stuff. Once the accountants get upset they will finally stop ignoring paying customers

Yea this is why we are calling them out they made us pay 40 on top of eso plus and now we are having fixes delayed to save them money

Artemiisia

im a pc player and I have absolutely no idea why other pc players actually butt in in this thread, this about consols issues, so move on......if you feel like comparing the two!

On topic, I feel you're pain for sure, and hope they will become more sharp in the future soon, otherwise they lose more and more players, I have grown tired of the issues they haven't fixed as well

hamburgerler76

Can you all believe console is still on day 1 morrowind patch nightblade heavy bug and battleground ques still *** not a single patch to help us yet so they can save some money and we get it mid this month good thing we couldn't save money by buying wit crowns and we had to spend 40$ cuss this support is A plus !

leepalmer95

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

Can you all believe console is still on day 1 morrowind patch nightblade heavy bug and battleground ques still *** not a single patch to help us yet so they can save some money and we get it mid this month good thing we couldn't save money by buying wit crowns and we had to spend 40$ cuss this support is A plus !

bgs patch is coming wednesday.

hamburgerler76

leepalmer95 wrote: »

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

Can you all believe console is still on day 1 morrowind patch nightblade heavy bug and battleground ques still *** not a single patch to help us yet so they can save some money and we get it mid this month good thing we couldn't save money by buying wit crowns and we had to spend 40$ cuss this support is A plus !

bgs patch is coming wednesday.

Yea my point is that we had to wait nearly 2 months after morrowind release for any even attempt at fixing que for us. Also that's only bg que still nightblade bug, quest bugs that won't let you progress, and group finder but cuss zos wants to save some money console gets patches delayed to bundle together for cert. Only big game dlc does console get 2 weeks after pc anything else like bug fixes patches anything we wait more then a month or 2 sometimes

bebynnag

since the game launched on console i have given the game the benefit of the doubt & been patient. NO MORE

i'm sick of showing respect to a company that doesnt give a *** about 2/3rd's of the player base. eso+ cancelled, no interest in the next DLC,

not quitting - just checked out!

hamburgerler76

puffytheslayer wrote: »

since the game launched on console i have given the game the benefit of the doubt & been patient. NO MORE

i'm sick of showing respect to a company that doesnt give a *** about 2/3rd's of the player base. eso+ cancelled, no interest in the next DLC,

not quitting - just checked out!

Yes console brother we need to unite and tell zos enough is enough these terrible way you manage patches for console is unacceptable

R4TTIUS

HEXENWOLF wrote: »

I thought everyone on console understood delays in patches were almost always because of Playstation Plus and Xbox Live? Blame Sony and Microsoft for being slow to allow content distribution. They screen almost every app and update before it's released.

Maybe if zos did that they wouldn't have to patch patches

mmolegends44

Nobody can talk about what goes on ps4 the they have the most problems then any other system that is on eso I never heard xbox having any problems that ps4 have it is pathetic

bebynnag

mmolegends44 wrote: »

Nobody can talk about what goes on ps4 the they have the most problems then any other system that is on eso I never heard xbox having any problems that ps4 have it is pathetic

you should really consider leaving the ps4 subforum then, because most of problems in this game are shared across all 4 platforms, only a small amount of issues are unique to a particular platform. the main problem being discussed in this thread is the time it takes for the fixes to those problems to actually reach console players

there are of course MANY issues which are unique to console (xbox and ps4 are both effected); and a tiny amount of problems that are unique to a specific platform (i remember mac had problems which were ignored for months because they are also looked down on by PC players)

the largest problem console players face is getting those problems acknowledged. we submit a ticket in game and are are told that the problem is with our console & or internet, we are inevitable told to 'turn it off & bk on again' before being directed to the forums where our posts are completely ignored (or trolled by pc players).

we typically have to wait for streamers to mention a problem on console before the developers will even acknowledge that the problems exist! who can forget the hundreds of complait threads here on the forums from people re vMA performance which were met by thousands of L2P replies and completley ignored by developers... all it took was Deltia raging about crappy latency on xbox EU once to roll out a hotfix!

TL:DR
all 4 platforms are crap not just Ps4!

mmolegends44

@MyKillv2.0 agreed

mmolegends44

No on pc it is way smoother they have no types of problems like I just said console mainly Ps4 have so many problems and broken issues the lag is the main thing in the game the numbers in cyrodil so many technical issues the list goes on.

disintegr8

Because I read the forums, the issue I have as a console user is that I know what will not be working when new content is released for console. I don't have to encounter them myself because I have read about them from PC users.

This is good in some ways because I don't waste time trying to get around the issue, throwing my controller through the TV or otherwise getting frustrated. I might just avoid using the affected content until the issue is fixed.

The bad part is that even though the issue has been identified before we get the content, I know it will not be fixed any sooner. We will still receive the broken content and will wait several weeks before we receive a fix.

The interesting side note is that when an 'exploit' is found, it seems to always be fixed very quickly. Any glitch that players may find which may lead to an unintended increase item drops, increase how much XP, AP or gold they can earn, is extremely quickly identified and resolved on all platforms.

Some problems have a higher priority than others I guess.