Toggle Solo Play for the Whole Game Option - Yes or No?

MattT1988 · June 2017

Meh, I wouldn't use it but I wouldn't care if others did

I couldn't care less if they brought it in. I wouldn't use it but I wouldn't be angry that it's there.

This idea I think really makes sense for the delves and certain areas that involve a main quest. Public delves, dungeons, trials and overland id prefer to stay as is.

Tubben · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

@all who said it's an MMO.. Where in MMO is the T for "Together"...

And also, i dont get the "No, you should not allowed to play solo, because..." : I allways ask myself, why does it bother you, if someone ELSE does something you wont even recognice in ANY WAY.

By the way, there was an game like that. Guild Wars 1... Was Guild Wars 1 not an MMO ?

For some content i would like solo instances, yes. Mainly for quests.

And by the way, the question was not if there would be any way to exploit this or if there would be any technical problems, it would be ZM's job to solve this kind of problems.

Uviryth · June 2017

No, I don't think anyone should be allowed a Solo Phase

Tubben wrote: »

@all who said it's an MMO.. Where in MMO is the T for "Together"...

And also, i dont get the "No, you should not allowed to play solo, because..." : I allways ask myself, why does it bother you, if someone ELSE does something you wont even recognice in ANY WAY.

Actually it does, because it reduces the number of players around me. I play MMOs because I like seeing other people do the same things as me.

Cadbury · June 2017

No, I don't think anyone should be allowed a Solo Phase

It's all fun and games until someone wants a solo version of vMoL

GeorgeBlack · June 2017

It's not like it bothers us. Take no offense.

But mmorpgs have gone down the drain since 2011 and before because people want to be protected by other people.

Mmorpgs used to be open world. No safe zones.
You'd have to PvP to protect your farming zone.
You'd have to make Clan Wars in order to get that world boss.
You'd have to play with a group of people in order to achieve stuff, like gear guild halls, castles, epic drops, leveling.
Did someone kill you? Kill him
Did he bring a friend?
Bring yours.
Did he bring his Clan?
Open clan war.
Did he brought his alliance?
Make alliance wars and create the games STORY.

Now it's all ladderboards and Battlegrounds (cyrodill is a battleground)

When I did not want to play with other people I would buy Witcher 3, Dragon Age Inquisition, Dark Souls, Skyrim.

Tubben · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

Uviryth wrote: »

Tubben wrote: »

@all who said it's an MMO.. Where in MMO is the T for "Together"...

And also, i dont get the "No, you should not allowed to play solo, because..." : I allways ask myself, why does it bother you, if someone ELSE does something you wont even recognice in ANY WAY.

Actually it does, because it reduces the number of players around me. I play MMOs because I like seeing other people do the same things as me.

Ok, thats the part with "ANY WAY". So your point is that others have to play it your way, because you dont want to be lonly. But there is still the point, that MMO dont mean ppl have to play together. But i do understand you, i dont like Skyrim, BECAUSE i am solo.

BUT

Personaly i think, that no opinion does matter more than another, and i like options. If people want to play their solo instances, let them. I would find that boring, like you, but i have to admit, sometimes i would like to be solo. Where other players around me do break my immersion (Mainly in dungeons (Not the public ones, i mean the ones where you go for a quest, with just one boss)), where i am the hero for something and story wise i am alone, but then there are other players around me.

Vipstaakki · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

It's not like it bothers us. Take no offense.

But mmorpgs have gone down the drain since 2011 and before because people want to be protected by other people.

Mmorpgs used to be open world. No safe zones.
You'd have to PvP to protect your farming zone.
You'd have to make Clan Wars in order to get that world boss.
You'd have to play with a group of people in order to achieve stuff, like gear guild halls, castles, epic drops, leveling.
Did someone kill you? Kill him
Did he bring a friend?
Bring yours.
Did he bring his Clan?
Open clan war.
Did he brought his alliance?
Make alliance wars and create the games STORY.

Now it's all ladderboards and Battlegrounds (cyrodill is a battleground)

When I did not want to play with other people I would buy Witcher 3, Dragon Age Inquisition, Dark Souls, Skyrim.

PvP never created the story of the game. In that regard MMO's have gotten better. We can finally do our questing, roleplaying and crafting without having to deal with an annoyance such as people try to force you into killing them. I'm just not interested in killing anyone other than a mob.

ghwaite · June 2017

No, I don't think anyone should be allowed a Solo Phase

No, ESO is a MMO not a single player game.

If you want to play single player Elder Scrolls go to Skyrim etc.

Vipstaakki · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

ghwaite wrote: »

No, ESO is a MMO not a single player game.

If you want to play single player Elder Scrolls go to Skyrim etc.

Sure. Do you have a mod for Skyrim that has the entire storyline of ESO in it? I'd be glad to go.

GeorgeBlack · June 2017

@Vipstaakki

I played Final Fantasy XIV and loved it. I knew it was PvE and I went with it even though I am a hardcore PvPers.

Maybe you should be more understanding of what you are getting in instead of demanding changes that alter the nature of the genre.

FF XIV did a good job on serving PvErs and was a success by not trying to please all.
Gaming developers try to please ppl like you and mess things up.

slumber_sandb16_ESO · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

I just wish at least delves could be toggled solo, easy to limit loot drops from repeated kills in them. So sick of venturing into a delve and then having some AoE spamming DPS just mow everything down before I can even get a hit in, delves become running simulators rather than something to explore.

Uviryth · June 2017

No, I don't think anyone should be allowed a Solo Phase

Tubben wrote: »

Ok, thats the part with "ANY WAY". So your point is that others have to play it your way, because you dont want to be lonly. But there is still the point, that MMO dont mean ppl have to play together. But i do understand you, i dont like Skyrim, BECAUSE i am solo.

See, when I play Skyrim I dont expect the other Skyrimplayers to play with me, because thats what MMOs are for. It works both ways. If you play an MMO you play as part of a large community. When you play a Singleplayergame you play as one person alone.
Of yourse there can be mix and match, but not at the cost of the genredefining basics.

Having people around me while being the sole hero also never bothered me. Thats what my imagination is for. But I guess thats an experience-thing. I`ve been playing mmo`s for 20 years now.

PS: Someone mentioned GW1 as an example of a mmo that did it different. U played GW1, and the Solopart was godawful. No one liked it.

Bombashaman · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

For the naysayers: So how many of you do the RPG since this is a mmoRPG game?

Exactly.

I say this again:

"Just make a toggle which renders all the other players and their graphic effects invisible, but not their other effects. So they may kill critters or take nodes in front of you etc. but you can't see them or their flashy skills.

So you still are on same world as others and can't farm or do anything which could be interpreted as advantage to you."

I don't play this game because it's MMO or RPG. I play it more like a solo adventure game with other players playing in the same world.

Cadbury · June 2017

No, I don't think anyone should be allowed a Solo Phase

Bombashaman wrote: »

For the naysayers: So how many of you do the RPG since this is a mmoRPG game?

Exactly.

I don't roleplay. I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't.

Just sayin'

Uviryth · June 2017

No, I don't think anyone should be allowed a Solo Phase

Bombashaman wrote: »

For the naysayers: So how many of you do the RPG since this is a mmoRPG game?

Ehm, we are not talking about the "RolePlayingGame"part, we are talking about the "MassiveMultiplayerOnline"part.
I really dont get what par of massive multiplayer can be seen as "massivemultiplayeronlywhenitsconvenientandeveryoneinvolvedwantstoonline"

Vipstaakki · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

@Vipstaakki

I played Final Fantasy XIV and loved it. I knew it was PvE and I went with it even though I am a hardcore PvPers.

Maybe you should be more understanding of what you are getting in instead of demanding changes that alter the nature of the genre.

FF XIV did a good job on serving PvErs and was a success by not trying to please all.
Gaming developers try to please ppl like you and mess things up.

No. It's the other way around. When developers try to please people like you they mess things up and end up pissing a lot of people in the process. This is what kills games.
Maybe you should try to be more understanding of us. Maybe you would even understand why your opinion makes you look very foolish and ignorant. I suggest you watch a video about Bartle's taxonomy @GeorgeBlack

Here is a link for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1drDuaQXm_U

Tubben · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

Uviryth wrote: »

Tubben wrote: »

Ok, thats the part with "ANY WAY". So your point is that others have to play it your way, because you dont want to be lonly. But there is still the point, that MMO dont mean ppl have to play together. But i do understand you, i dont like Skyrim, BECAUSE i am solo.

See, when I play Skyrim I dont expect the other Skyrimplayers to play with me, because thats what MMOs are for. It works both ways. If you play an MMO you play as part of a large community. When you play a Singleplayergame you play as one person alone.
Of yourse there can be mix and match, but not at the cost of the genredefining basics.

Having people around me while being the sole hero also never bothered me. Thats what my imagination is for. But I guess thats an experience-thing. I`ve been playing mmo`s for 20 years now.

PS: Someone mentioned GW1 as an example of a mmo that did it different. U played GW1, and the Solopart was godawful. No one liked it.

I started my MMO carrer with Meridian 59 on server 103 ;-) to give you an hint how long i am playing MMO's. I was the one who mentioned GW1, i did this because of that "It's an MMO, so there should be no solo PvE". I liked the solopart, btw. You could be in a group, if you wanted, or solo - if you wanted.

As i said, i like options :-)

olsborg · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

Would be cool for delves, quests and dungeons etc...

Darkstorne · June 2017

Uviryth wrote: »

Bombashaman wrote: »

For the naysayers: So how many of you do the RPG since this is a mmoRPG game?

Ehm, we are not talking about the "RolePlayingGame"part, we are talking about the "MassiveMultiplayerOnline"part.
I really dont get what par of massive multiplayer can be seen as "massivemultiplayeronlywhenitsconvenientandeveryoneinvolvedwantstoonline"

That's the worst argument against solo phases. Especially because modern MMOs (Destiny and the Division being key examples) push a system like this to support the game's narrative (sole hero). Lots of players encountered in group locations (dolmens, world bosses, public dungeons) but majority of exterior exploration, quests, and dungeons, are almost entirely solo. You will only occassionally be phased together with other players to reinforce the idea of a big open world where you are one of the few heroes. It would massively help ESO to keep player counts high in areas that are designed for them, and solo everywhere else.

Bombashaman · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

Uviryth wrote: »

Bombashaman wrote: »

For the naysayers: So how many of you do the RPG since this is a mmoRPG game?

Ehm, we are not talking about the "RolePlayingGame"part, we are talking about the "MassiveMultiplayerOnline"part.
I really dont get what par of massive multiplayer can be seen as "massivemultiplayeronlywhenitsconvenientandeveryoneinvolvedwantstoonline"

I try to explain. English isn't my first or even a second language, but I hope the meaning gets through.

Many here are against toggling the game solo because this is a MMORPG, focusing on the MMO. "This is a multiplayer game, you should not be able to play it as a solo game", or some such.

My point is, that as a MMORPG, this is also a RPG. So by the same logic used above, you should not be able to play this game without roleplaying.

But people DO play this game without roleplaying, so why then the others can't play this game solo?

That is as simple as I can explain it.

GeorgeBlack · June 2017

Well, the poll says no, gaming companies target monies and everyone can chill now.

Bombashaman · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Well, the poll says no, gaming companies target monies and everyone can chill now.

It's the principle of the thing why we debate!

Franieck · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

It kindda annoys me that people vote against something that won't even impact them if they don't want it to. I mean, the only thing you are accomplishing by voting no to it, is depriving someone of something they would enjoy (even though you might not). I personally wouldn't play in single player mode. Nevertheless, I am all for the idea, if it would make people who would enjoy such a feature happy.

Vipstaakki · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Well, the poll says no, gaming companies target monies and everyone can chill now.

I wouldn't base any business decisions on a poll in the ESO forums. Since when did the forums become so credible?

Cadbury · June 2017

No, I don't think anyone should be allowed a Solo Phase

Vipstaakki wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Well, the poll says no, gaming companies target monies and everyone can chill now.

I wouldn't base any business decisions on a poll in the ESO forums. Since when did the forums become so credible?

Agreed. Even if the poll was extended to Reddit, it would only reach a small portion of the population. So in the end, all we have is our opinions

Darkstorne · June 2017

Franieck wrote: »

It kindda annoys me that people vote against something that won't even impact them if they don't want it to. I mean, the only thing you are accomplishing by voting no to it, is depriving someone of something they would enjoy (even though you might not). I personally wouldn't play in single player mode. Nevertheless, I am all for the idea, if it would make people who would enjoy such a feature happy.

Poll starter here: I do understand those who are against it for the problems that would arise from loot and resource farming. So I do now agree that a simple toggle wouldn't be the solution, and would likely cause many players to think "I can free farm without competition now? Great!" And too many people would use it. I think the solution would have to be something akin to Destiny, which is what I've always wanted anyway but hoped a toggle might provide a semi-solution for very little work on ZOS's part. Basically, ensure much of the game continues to support high player counts in areas designed for them (dolmens, world bosses, public dungeons etc) but redesign the overworld areas and normal dungeons to be mostly solo, very rarely running into other players (never running into them in dungeons and quest areas reliant on you being the sole hero), with chest and resource distribution re balanced to take that into account. That way all the locations we WANT to meet other players, where other players are a benefit, are left intact, and only the areas where other players are a nuisance, such as snatching resource nodes and ruining quest immersion in dungeons, are made for solo play. That's a huge amount of work though so I don't expect it to happen.

Finally, anyone who argues "It's an MMO so it has to be swarming with players everywhere you go!" literally has no idea how this genre works and has been developing lately, and is only embarrassing themselves in an otherwise fascinating discussion.

AnthofromOrsinium · June 2017

Yes, I would like the option to play in a Solo Phase

With morrowind and a perfect immersion i absolutely need this option.
You can put this option when you are in a restricted area or a little dungeon with a quest and turn off when you are in a normal area, will be perfect i really hope this option will be coming for next dlc and chapter.
It's a little boring when you wait for earing npc speaking and a crazy players come and kill everybody and broke your immersion...
Crosing fingers.

Insandros · June 2017

No, I don't think anyone should be allowed a Solo Phase

Am i missing something, isn't it Elder Scrolls ONLINE? What would be the point of designing an online game but make it solo? There is the other chapters of solo game in the Skyrim categories. So you would have all ressources to you, no one grabbing your stuff etc... Would be such a waste of money for them to pay for servers but people playing solo all over the place....

EDIT: I got a bit more fogiving. :P You could get solo, but would required ZoS to much workd to come up with the way i'D se it. Solo, means Solo, so you get to choose at character selection for solo content or online, like some other games, PvP servers or PvE.... but once selected, you'Re stick with that choice on that character, so, solo means solo, no access to online content, not able to trade items from online character to your solo character, why creating a solo toon but have the benefits from online... so no online trading merchant, all you get is NPC stuff... since it's solo, no acess to 4 men dungeons, since it'S for, online MMO purpuse, crafting ressources, well, usualy the fast respawn is to deal with massive online players, lot's of players requires spawn, you'Re solo, crafting stuff takes longer to respawn, same with mobs, since they respawn to allow people to kill them... Achievements, well sharable only between solo characters, and most of all, a solo toon stays solo from start to finish, not able to trade it back in online after, you wanna play solo with NPC, well you get stuck with it, no way to beneftis from online stuff when it pleases you.... when game launched, quest, most quest were solo instanced if someone wasn't at your stage, you were alone, not seing the other person, from what i remember, most of us hated it.

If solo means you only wanna be able to be alone, well you got to deal with the alone stuff, not coming in online, grabbing stuff then going back alone to get easier content. Being able to turn solo stuff as we wanted would be brutal to the economy, imagine all the bots able to live without having any report, you can bet normal players will have a ahrd time to sell stuff the proper price without them droping down the price to 0

GeorgeBlack · June 2017

Question:

Is reddit influential on companies...?

Uviryth · June 2017

No, I don't think anyone should be allowed a Solo Phase

Darkstorne wrote: »

That's the worst argument against solo phases. Especially because modern MMOs (Destiny and the Division being key examples) push a system like this to support the game's narrative (sole hero). Lots of players encountered in group locations (dolmens, world bosses, public dungeons) but majority of exterior exploration, quests, and dungeons, are almost entirely solo. You will only occassionally be phased together with other players to reinforce the idea of a big open world where you are one of the few heroes. It would massively help ESO to keep player counts high in areas that are designed for them, and solo everywhere else.

While I respect your opinion I for instance would never play a game with mechanics like that, because even the thought literally puts me to sleep. Why would I play a singleplayergame online?
I remember a time where "phasing" was a curseword in mmorpg`s, because exactly what you described up there was a big nono.
In one of my first games (Dark Age of Camelot) for instance there was no phasing at all. Even dungeons and Raids where shared between the whole community.