Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I dont mind if people see what loot I got, but whats the point of this addon? It seems to be an addon specifically designed to pester folk.

I offers people who run a 4 man dungeon a 4x chance of getting the drop they want assuming every other member of the party is willing to trade. The cost of the trade is chatbox clutter slowing down the progress of a dungeon. A tank for example after a boss is downed may be scouting out the next pull, checking hp bars, seeing where the party is located on minimap, and not doing trades midrun. Also people with a poor moral faculty might stall the run viz. they might try to hold the group hostage until they get the item traded right then and there since they assume because this addon exists all items belong to a shared pool and they wearing a different type of armor than you(light vs. heavy) believe they get priority on drops of their armor type. If all drops were listed at a runs conclusion and then trades were made it might be a great tool. As is every boss offers both a greater chance of getting something you want and a greater chance of ignores and group disbands.

Anhedonie wrote: »

Oh you poor special snowflake.

e.g.

This addon is super-useful when farming Normal Trials / Veteran trials and you need a specific item / set from there. Sometimes you might even need 5+ different pieces and asking all the time "Yeah, I need this and this and this". It's better to just see who loots what and then ask if they're willing to sell it.
I know people who sold sharpened moondancer swords for 400k this way & also sold a defending 1h axe for ~100k. (Not sure from which set).

Just saying it's really useful. And tbh - I've never ran into any1 nagging me. If I need the lootmyself I simply say "No, I'll be using it myself. Sorry" end of discussion. If person X can't leave it - then you either ignore or jst leave it.

Honestly I don't understand how you can have so many bad experiences with it, when I've done multiple normal trial-runs recently and never ran into this issue. Most people understand a single "No".

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I use one of those add-ons.

I agree it feels quite intrusive. But on the other hand, they're so handy.

I prefer someone asking me once if I may trade this sharpened viper dagger i just looted... rather than having people shouting in group chat all dungeon long "don't forget I'm looking for sharpened viper dagger"...

Or the perfect tool for scammers as well

@Kyle1983b14_ESO Any tool that shares any information, or offers and communications, is then also the "perfect tool for scammers"

If someone were to 'scam' an item off of you, what's the difference in their actions between having access to this information and not?

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Jerkling wrote: »

...should be banned!

i'm seriously annoyed and i don't find it the least bit funny when other players keep pestering me (sometimes to the extend that i simply HAVE to block them) about items i just looted of a dungeon boss or from a dolmen chest. there is a reason you can not see what loot other players got and no one has the right to use an addon to snoop around in other peoples bags!

i'm not interested in any reasoning why one should see what others got from a boss or why this would help or whatever else. i don't want anyone to be able to see my loot and i don't have to accept someone using an addon to go through my things.
if you want a certain item you can ask in advance if you may have it in case someone loots it. and if someone does and doesn't want to give it to you then that's his/her good right. period.



and to anyone who does use these addons - how dare you? HOW F-WORD DARE YOU?!

Let's see. You came to forums to qq and said you are not interested into reasoning? Go back to reddit.

Addons that show other's ppl loot to someone work only if grouped with ppl. From what you wrote, you are

• unable to find ppl that understand simple no
• one of these game breaking lag creating 24ppl dolmen zerglings.

In both cases, the joke is on you.
Also, these addons are not cheating tools such is miat's or similar, it simply tells you that XX from your group got Y loot. It is ment to be simple solution, helping trading in group without ppl linking stuff after each boss fight or similar. As you stated, no one is forcing you to trade, so what is the big deal? Word of advice - L2Forums/L2Behave/L2Play.

Whatever. Its a crap add-on for snoopy little wannabe peeping toms.

What's crap is your inability to simply say "no" when someone asks if you need an item.

While I agree the api allows this addon so it's pretty much 'every person for themselves' I still wonder why anyone runs it unless they have some burning need to know something that's really nothing to do with them? If something drops and another player doesn't post it in chat for trade it's more than likely they didn't because they don't want to trade it.Sometimes knowing stuff just makes life more of a drama just turn that thing off

Seems the issue isn't the add on but the OP being 'pestered' by others.

In other MMO's i've played it is a standard feature to be able to see what group members loot and the messages of 'I see you looted that item I have been after for a while, may I?' are not pestering, they are standard. If someone messaged repeatedly 'give me x now' that would be different and yes, pestering.

OP, if your issue is the first example then welcome to the world of MMO. You know, other people. If your issue is the second example then it is not the add on at fault but those people being a-holes.

I always link-in-chat any items I loot that I don't need/want and am yet to meet anyone who didn't. I have also played with people who use an add-on and can see what I loot but have never felt pestered or like somehow they can see into my soul.

Sigtric wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Sure...ZoS owns it(even bound to my account)...but other players don't. There is no way you are going to convince me that this practice is ethical, both of us know it isn't. The only possible reason you can have for supporting it is because it is convenient to you. But once again, its not about the gear, I have just about every piece I could ever want from all dungeons and most trials and am more than happy to give it away, this is about violation of privacy, if you don't have enough respect to not look over my shoulder as I am looting something from a corpse, why should I have enough respect for you to give it to you? Its like you are reading my mail before I have a chance to open it...or reading over my shoulder as I read it.

Anyone else see the humor here or just me? lol

No I saw that too

It was worth a giggle

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I dont mind if people see what loot I got, but whats the point of this addon? It seems to be an addon specifically designed to pester folk.

There are 6 pages of posts explaining in detail what the point of that addon is.

If you still don't get it you're either unable to read basic English or just lazy.

Rahotu wrote: »

While I agree the api allows this addon so it's pretty much 'every person for themselves' I still wonder why anyone runs it unless they have some burning need to know something that's really nothing to do with them? If something drops and another player doesn't post it in chat for trade it's more than likely they didn't because they don't want to trade it.Sometimes knowing stuff just makes life more of a drama just turn that thing off

As above.



But for the sake of discussion, let me give a practical example.

I need Two-Fanged Snake.

I need it in divines.

TFS drops from Sanctum Ophidia, which is a trial, for 12 people.

We farm such trials for gear with the guild, so that we can help each other to gear up.

When one of the 12 people gets a piece with the desired trait, who needs it has to ask.

Now, since we're all civilized people we first ask: "Do you need that ?" (as one should always do, courtesy asks that you start with an opener: "are you busy ?", "may I ask you a question ?" or something on that line).

If the answer is "No", then we proceed: "May I have it ?". And we received the item.

HOW IS THAT INTRUSIVE ? That is a basic human interaction, respectful of most of the courtesy rules of most cultures.

What's the point of the addon ?

There are 6 different sets that drops from that trial, for each set there are 20 possible pieces in 9 different traits. Which one do you need, in what trait ? The addon makes it easier for the person getting the item they don't need (and, therefore, they don't pay attention to it) to help a guildie/friend get the gear they need.

It also make it so that none of the TWELVE people in the trial need to keep a notebook with every piece one of the other ELEVEN people need or are acceptable replacement.

If this concept is so difficult to understand for you guys, or you're just unable to accept it:

JUST DON'T GROUP.

The addon only works if you're in a group with the others.

Don't group with people with the addon, problem solved.

Jerkling wrote: »

...should be banned!

i'm seriously annoyed and i don't find it the least bit funny when other players keep pestering me (sometimes to the extend that i simply HAVE to block them) about items i just looted of a dungeon boss or from a dolmen chest. there is a reason you can not see what loot other players got and no one has the right to use an addon to snoop around in other peoples bags!

i'm not interested in any reasoning why one should see what others got from a boss or why this would help or whatever else. i don't want anyone to be able to see my loot and i don't have to accept someone using an addon to go through my things.
if you want a certain item you can ask in advance if you may have it in case someone loots it. and if someone does and doesn't want to give it to you then that's his/her good right. period.



and to anyone who does use these addons - how dare you? HOW F-WORD DARE YOU?!

Well you're a tight little see you next Tuesday aren't you?

SirAndy wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

I use an addon that does this, but most the time people I run with post what they get in chat anyway, I dont care if you run it and see my loot, If I get something epic then I'd rather let them see my epic loot
And if I have no use for it and they need it I'll happily trade them

There's a difference between you sharing info about what you looted and people being able to snoop through my inventory without my consent.

If there was an AddOn that allowed you to share your inventory info with others, that would be no problem at all.
Or if the current API needed the consent of the player you're trying to inspect and by default all players would be blocked.
That way, people would have to opt-in into being inspected and could opt-out at any time.
All of these would be OK.

The current implementation is not ...
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The problem with that idea is that no one will install that kind of addon. People are selfish, if all the addon does is benefiting others but not yourself, no one will even bother installing it. Why bother installing an addon if all it does is to share your loot log to others, while 99% of the time you will run into people without that addon anyway?

I don't see any problem with this addon. You can just say that you need it, and most of the time people are fine with that. The only problem I can see is that toxic people may bother you even if you say no. But the thing is, toxic people are toxic nevertheless. Without the addon, they will repeatedly ask you to link your loot after every boss fight, so it will even be more annoying.

There are 11 other people in a trial run, and no way in hell can I keep track of what all those 11 people need, some guy probably needs a purple-skin nix-ox wearing wedding dress and a yellow IIIA ballistic helmet covered in ketchup with an image of a guar on top of it. This addon saves me from linking my stuffs everytime I loot something.

Well...you can turn auto-loot off and leave everything you don't need on the bodies. Does that work? I always have auto-loot on.

ScytheNL wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

If someone is a jerk about loot he will be regardless.

How can you be a jerk about loot??? I got it, it's MY loot. Isn't it my choice what I do with it?

Ya but seriously. If I'm in a dungeon and I get a sharp sword of whatever and someone needs it. I'm gunna give it to them if I don't need it. And with friends I give them it a lot of times when I do need it. Cause I know they grinded for it longer.

Being a jerk is deconing an item someone has spent countless runs for time and energy spent just so you can get the what blue or purple mat from it? That's being a jerk.

Punches_Below_Belt wrote: »

There are 6 different sets that drops from that trial, for each set there are 20 possible pieces in 9 different traits. Which one do you need, in what trait ? The addon makes it easier for the person getting the item they don't need (and, therefore, they don't pay attention to it) to help a guildie/friend get the gear they need.

You are being so disingenuous here. We all know there are at most 2 desirable sets in any trial and maybe 7 desirable pieces with 2 desirable traits. And FYI your need to "acquire" a Necrpotence, Sharpened lightning staff no matter how difficult, seems pretty mercernary compared to a real person's discomfort of having no choice in deciding to reveal information specific to their character.

I hate the RNG/bound farm treadmill ZOS has us on but it is going to take something more real than this game, for me to be dismissive and ridicule another person who takes privacy concerns seriously in and out of the game

The vultures need to consider themselves warned. This isn't a tool that helps both sides equally. It's predatory. disrespectful,

privacy concerns over loot..in a game...that only group members can see..who stood next to you as you picked it up...PRIVACY CONCERNS?!

The really asinine part about all of this?

No one is installing the addon to try to take your set. They're simply in the same grind hell you are, trying to complete theirs.

Addon's not the problem, the need for the addon - they incessant grind, is.