addons that show what loot other players got...

phileunderx2 · June 2017

Had someone use it on me once felt a bit intrusive but they were wanting the malubeth helm I had and it was training so I went ahead and let them have it.

josiahva · June 2017

Sure...ZoS owns it(even bound to my account)...but other players don't. There is no way you are going to convince me that this practice is ethical, both of us know it isn't. The only possible reason you can have for supporting it is because it is convenient to you. But once again, its not about the gear, I have just about every piece I could ever want from all dungeons and most trials and am more than happy to give it away, this is about violation of privacy, if you don't have enough respect to not look over my shoulder as I am looting something from a corpse, why should I have enough respect for you to give it to you? Its like you are reading my mail before I have a chance to open it...or reading over my shoulder as I read it.

Osteos · June 2017

I would argue the other way, that add-ons like this increase antisocial behavior. Instead of saying hello and talking to your group mates you want to avoid social interaction unless they have something that you want.

I prefer talking to people and having them talk to me. If someone states that they are looking for a particular piece I'm more likely to keep an eye out for it. At the end of the dungeon you link what you are willing to trade, gives people with the story quest time to turn it in, say good group and goodbye.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · June 2017

josiahva wrote: »

Sure...ZoS owns it(even bound to my account)...but other players don't. There is no way you are going to convince me that this practice is ethical, both of us know it isn't. The only possible reason you can have for supporting it is because it is convenient to you. But once again, its not about the gear, I have just about every piece I could ever want from all dungeons and most trials and am more than happy to give it away, this is about violation of privacy, if you don't have enough respect to not look over my shoulder as I am looting something from a corpse, why should I have enough respect for you to give it to you? Its like you are reading my mail before I have a chance to open it...or reading over my shoulder as I read it.

So the mob might have a letter from your doctor explaining why it burns when you pee on it?

I know that is stupid. But so is your arguement that someone seeing the generic equipment you pick up might be the same as someone reading a personal letter to you.

Zalicius · June 2017

squinceybones wrote: »

@Jerkling I could not agree more. In fact, I'm currently in develepment of an add-on to "shield" users from these privacy violations. It will also create a tab where users can chat freely about their experiences, and maybe help eachother through it. It's called "SafeSpace" I'd love to get your input on some features and how development is going this far.
Looking forward to hearing from you.

I'm quiet uncomfortable with this. Can you also make a panic space?

andreasranasen · June 2017

LMAO PC pugs always have these issues.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · June 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

LMAO PC pugs always have these issues.

Don't make us come Over there and get our nooses all up in your bag.... maybe I should rephrase...

flizomica · June 2017

If someone bugs me about loot I got that I didn't link, I'll always keep it for myself even if I don't need it. It's just rude.

Ruckly · June 2017

I think some points have been left out so taking more things into consideration:

1. The amount of time it takes to find a group with dungeon finder

2. Whether you are being harangued after every boss/chest or if the person can wait until the end of run then peddle(not every person is a gentleman/woman/car/lizard in game like on forum).

If people are civil whats a couple of minutes at the end of a run. If after every single boss and chest people peddle and jump ship because they feel entitled to what an addon says what you have or you get kicked from the group before last boss because you didn't do a trade for an item picked up by addon...

Two groups of people. Avaricious 1 way people and civil 2 way people. Not everyone falls into the second group. There are avaricious people who are good at dungeons who demand a toll to proceed further. The addon tells them the cost of the toll.

Soooooo...all things considered maybe the addon should be blocked and instead a table should pop up at the end of a run showing what everyone looted of a certain quality upward and from that they can barter.

Aisle9 · June 2017

josiahva wrote: »

Sure...ZoS owns it(even bound to my account)...but other players don't. There is no way you are going to convince me that this practice is ethical, both of us know it isn't. The only possible reason you can have for supporting it is because it is convenient to you. But once again, its not about the gear, I have just about every piece I could ever want from all dungeons and most trials and am more than happy to give it away, this is about violation of privacy, if you don't have enough respect to not look over my shoulder as I am looting something from a corpse, why should I have enough respect for you to give it to you? Its like you are reading my mail before I have a chance to open it...or reading over my shoulder as I read it.

Then why are discussing it in a forum... just send a ticket to ZoS so you can rage at the standard response advising you to /ignore that person.

@SirAndy so that thing you just picked up, it was technically already in my inventory, give it back

squinceybones · June 2017

Zalicius wrote: »

squinceybones wrote: »

@Jerkling I could not agree more. In fact, I'm currently in develepment of an add-on to "shield" users from these privacy violations. It will also create a tab where users can chat freely about their experiences, and maybe help eachother through it. It's called "SafeSpace" I'd love to get your input on some features and how development is going this far.
Looking forward to hearing from you.

I'm quiet uncomfortable with this. Can you also make a panic space?

I'm not sure I understand. What do you mean by panic space?

Aisle9 · June 2017

http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-improvement/household-safety/security/panic-room.htm

SirAndy · June 2017

Aisle9 wrote: »

@SirAndy so that thing you just picked up, it was technically already in my inventory, give it back

@Aisle9
Liar! You see, i have this little AddOn that tells me ...

squinceybones · June 2017

Aisle9 wrote: »

http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-improvement/household-safety/security/panic-room.htm

Oh I get you, I hated that movie. Yeah sorry not really into housing, maybe someone else can do that.

Aisle9 · June 2017

Does anyone remember Ultima Online ?

I mean, if this is an invasion of privacy, what about actually killing you and looting your body xD

Lunavere · June 2017

squinceybones wrote: »

@Jerkling I could not agree more. In fact, I'm currently in develepment of an add-on to "shield" users from these privacy violations. It will also create a tab where users can chat freely about their experiences, and maybe help eachother through it. It's called "SafeSpace" I'd love to get your input on some features and how development is going thus far.
Looking forward to hearing from you.

To be quite honest, I am getting tired of the constant blocking. Like, it's outrageous. I don't even main a tank.

Could you add an autoblock feature for anyone who whispers me first? That way I don't have to deal with the whole, "How do I answer?" ordeal every time.

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · June 2017

Jerkling wrote: »

...should be banned!

i'm seriously annoyed and i don't find it the least bit funny when other players keep pestering me (sometimes to the extend that i simply HAVE to block them) about items i just looted of a dungeon boss or from a dolmen chest. there is a reason you can not see what loot other players got and no one has the right to use an addon to snoop around in other peoples bags!

i'm not interested in any reasoning why one should see what others got from a boss or why this would help or whatever else. i don't want anyone to be able to see my loot and i don't have to accept someone using an addon to go through my things.
if you want a certain item you can ask in advance if you may have it in case someone loots it. and if someone does and doesn't want to give it to you then that's his/her good right. period.

and to anyone who does use these addons - how dare you? HOW F-WORD DARE YOU?!

I seriously don't understand why it's so hard for people to just ignore wen you get requests. Holly *** just say no. Its not a cheat the game developers allow it. Folks need to mature a little bit and move on.

Your turning a non issue into one. There are other things that deserve attention but for some reason your delicate sensibilities is the most important.

Aliyavana · June 2017

EvilCroc wrote: »

I do not share my loot in dungeons. Never. So I do not care if somebody looks at it. This is my loot. And I will deconstruct it for materials. And if you are going to whisper me for my loot - you are going to ignore list.

That's a bit of a *** view. It takes very little time to get the same amount of mats you get from deconning than sharing a item you don't need that takes hours to farm. If rather you give me your @name if you are in pc na so I can block you so I dont have to encounter your toxicity

josiahva · June 2017

Aisle9 wrote: »

Does anyone remember Ultima Online ?

I mean, if this is an invasion of privacy, what about actually killing you and looting your body xD

Oh, but I loved that about UO, the world was dangerous, everywhere but towns was PvP, sure, you got killed and looted often enough, but you did the same thing to others sometimes. Its not like everyone you saw was a PK, only some. Besides...to see what loot you had...they had to kill you first, you learned not to die real fast...or go everywhere with your guild. If you ran, you could get away more often than not. What was annoying to me about UO was that the spawn points always seemed so far away(and eventually player housing cluttered up the map so much you could never get far enough away just to have wilderness)

MaGicBush · June 2017

Glad i play on the xbox

. Still though this is a thing in almost every mmo ever so im not sure why the op is suprised with this game. Its also not a big deal as you can ignore people as you mentioned... you also stated you dont want to hear the other sides opinions so whats the point of this thread lol? A forum is for discussion op.

squinceybones · June 2017

Lunavere wrote: »

squinceybones wrote: »

@Jerkling I could not agree more. In fact, I'm currently in develepment of an add-on to "shield" users from these privacy violations. It will also create a tab where users can chat freely about their experiences, and maybe help eachother through it. It's called "SafeSpace" I'd love to get your input on some features and how development is going thus far.
Looking forward to hearing from you.

To be quite honest, I am getting tired of the constant blocking. Like, it's outrageous. I don't even main a tank.

Could you add an autoblock feature for anyone who whispers me first? That way I don't have to deal with the whole, "How do I answer?" ordeal every time.

Possible yes, practical not really. If you get pestered like I do, your ignore list will already be full. (they really do need to increase that, maybe 500 would do) It would be possible to create an auto-reply though, definitely something to look into! Maybe a 30 minute chat filter, just to let them calm down. The messages would be received, but not shown in your chat... I'll have to talk to someone who knows a little more about chat filters.

KochDerDamonen · June 2017

josiahva wrote: »

Sure...ZoS owns it(even bound to my account)...but other players don't. There is no way you are going to convince me that this practice is ethical, both of us know it isn't. The only possible reason you can have for supporting it is because it is convenient to you. But once again, its not about the gear, I have just about every piece I could ever want from all dungeons and most trials and am more than happy to give it away, this is about violation of privacy, if you don't have enough respect to not look over my shoulder as I am looting something from a corpse, why should I have enough respect for you to give it to you? Its like you are reading my mail before I have a chance to open it...or reading over my shoulder as I read it.

@josiahva You're all looting off the same corpse. They don't have to look over your shoulder, they're right next to you scooping up their own inexplicably-normally-invisible-to-others piece of randomly-generated gear that the monster/person you slew inside of some cave in a video game on your computer together was carrying in his back pocket or something because he clearly wasn't using it.

Do you see what I'm getting at?

PlagueSD · June 2017

Aisle9 wrote: »

You don't know it, but the addon will also reach into your bags and steal it.

There's a Khajit in this addon???

dem0n1k · June 2017

I used to run in a dungeon group with 3 friends, 2 of them just had difficulty catching the loot text on their screen & would just ask me what loot they got because I was running the LUIE addon & got a list of everyone's loot that stayed visible in the chat window until it got scrolled off. It was very handy!

I find the notion that there are players out there, so precious about 'their' completely fictitious 'loot' that they are morally offended by the addon.. hilarious.

Dragonnord · June 2017

I agree with the OP. Why the **** they have to see what I got? It's private. How can ZOS allow this?

Sabbathius · June 2017

Respectfully disagree.

People run dungeons for a variety of reasons. Some don't need any loot from there, just the 2 pledge keys. Others do it for achievements. And if they don't care, they're not paying attention to drops. In the meantime, someone in the party could be hunting for that one item, that is completely worthless to you maybe. And this works both ways. I had a monster helm drop with a trait I did not need, but another team member had one I did want, while my helm was what he wanted. We both used the addon. And immediately traded. Instead of 2 unhappy players, the run ended with 2 happy players. Without the addon, we would have had to manually link all the drops we'd be willing to share. Which is needlessly time consuming, if we can just see the drops as they are looted.

The only downside is harassment. But quite frankly people who harass others to the point of having to be blocked would probably harass you for some other reason. And I have never ever seen or experienced this. Usually people just ask in group, or whisper, if you need that item. If the looter says they need it, everyone understands and backs off. I've yet to see anyone keep pushing. The only exception was the guy offering to buy the item, rather than just asking for it for free. As in, 300k gold for sharpened inferno BSW staff. And the guy who looted it took the money and was happy. So, again, not a problem.

So yeah, respectfully disagree.

Sigtric · June 2017

josiahva wrote: »

I dont care if it is looking into my "bags" it is STILL in violation of my privacy, this is MY loot, not theirs, they have no right to even see what I got from the drop. Again, I am more than happy to give them whatever they are asking for, but is it so difficult for them to type a sentence or two into group chat and ask for it like a human being instead of acting like the NSA and surveiling your drops? Its an unethical(inethical?) way to acquire information. Its like someone flying a drone into your fenced in backyard to see that you have a car they are looking for, then using that information to ask if you want to sell that car, its the principal of the thing.

Last I checked this is ZOS' game and they specifically designed the API to allow for this. It's not a violation of anything and is all completely up to your fragile sensibilities. It is by design that they have the right to see it.

Many other MMO's show what is looted I don't see how this is suddenly an issue.

itehache · June 2017

I do not use this add on but I do not really mind if people want to use it.

Every time I get a good piece that I do not need I link it in chat anyway.

Also, if someone happens to whisper me because they want an item I got (this happens, yup) there is 2 possible scenarios. 1) I do not want/need the item so I give it to him/her. 2) I do want the item so I do not give it to him/her. If people do not understand that "no" is an answer, just block them.

Sigtric · June 2017

josiahva wrote: »

Sure...ZoS owns it(even bound to my account)...but other players don't. There is no way you are going to convince me that this practice is ethical, both of us know it isn't. The only possible reason you can have for supporting it is because it is convenient to you. But once again, its not about the gear, I have just about every piece I could ever want from all dungeons and most trials and am more than happy to give it away, this is about violation of privacy, if you don't have enough respect to not look over my shoulder as I am looting something from a corpse, why should I have enough respect for you to give it to you? Its like you are reading my mail before I have a chance to open it...or reading over my shoulder as I read it.

Anyone else see the humor here or just me? lol

Cpt_Teemo · June 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I use one of those add-ons.

I agree it feels quite intrusive. But on the other hand, they're so handy.

I prefer someone asking me once if I may trade this sharpened viper dagger i just looted... rather than having people shouting in group chat all dungeon long "don't forget I'm looking for sharpened viper dagger"...

Or the perfect tool for scammers as well