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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/683901
What good is the Warden Bear ?
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slumber_sandb16_ESO✭✭✭✭It has 3 attacks.
A normal single target swipe
A heavy AoE knockdown + damage. You see it when it stands up on its back legs. Its a small cone though.
Plus the ultimate attack.
What it needs:- When entering combat the bear appears INSTANTLY at the target, not in mid combat, not after combat, as soon as it starts the bear is there at my side.
- The standard attack needs to be sped up,
- The cone and speed of the heavy AoE knockdown needs to be improved, most of the time the target has moved a few steps to the side and it completely misses and thats in PvE.
- The ultimate attack needs to have a dual function. If the bear is in melee range the attack goes off as normal(although sped up), if the bear isnt in melee range it should instantly charge the target and dealing the damage regardless of where it is or what its doing. A lot of times I've used the ultimate with no effect because the bear was knocked down or stunned.
- OR the ultimate should be a special attack by the player character, something in the same manner of Selene's monster set.
What would be cool to see:- Eternal Guardian gaining a taunt
- Wild Guardian gaining bleeding attacks
- A LOT more synergy with the player. Like when attacking the same target the bear could do some special attack whenever the player character uses a skill on the target. For example if I play my warden tank and I use puncture to taunt the enemy the bear could do a slash attack on the exposed flank for extra bleed damage etc. Right now its just a pet, but its an ultimate and would be a lot more enjoyable if it has more synergy. The Warden and the Bear, the A-Team of Tamriel.
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CMFan1966✭✭✭✭✭I haven't used the bear myself just yet, but it's GREAT for scaring the heck out of me when someone sets it active right beside where I am standing!1 -
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✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »What happened to all the Bear is going to be OP, Warden is PTW because its going to be the best class in the game posts from a few months back?
The bear is OP af because it's basically an invincible pet.
Warden P2W, best tank, heals, dps, and now best kiting.
As was noted on another thread, as soon as you claim Warden is P2W you really lose all credibility.
Maybe for magicka builds. There is a stam build where Sub Assault hits like incap in PvP. I wouldn't have thought that the skill useable in PvP based on the tooltip.1 -
Hallothiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Very happy with my bears.
But then I'm a lightweight quester flitting around not taking this game that seriously.
Although one did manage to get me a bounty as it attacked and killed an npc who went for me whilst in stealth mode. That was a bit unexpected.3 -
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✭Hallothiel wrote: »Very happy with my bears.
But then I'm a lightweight quester flitting around not taking this game that seriously.
Although one did manage to get me a bounty as it attacked and killed an npc who went for me whilst in stealth mode. That was a bit unexpected.
When was the last time you saw a bear stealth??
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WildWilbur✭✭✭✭It's a bear! What's more to say?"Call me a killjoy, but I think that because this is not to my taste, no one else should be able to enjoy it." Marge Simpson0
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Rex-Umbra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Same as the sorc pets useless other than procing necro.Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
GM of IMPERIUM since 2015.1 -
Stamden✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah, the bear has been a huge disappointment for me. Especially in PvP application.PC NA
~Currently taking a break from the game until my DK can become something more than just a crafter~1 -
High_Marshal✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »Very happy with my bears.
But then I'm a lightweight quester flitting around not taking this game that seriously.
Although one did manage to get me a bounty as it attacked and killed an npc who went for me whilst in stealth mode. That was a bit unexpected.
When was the last time you saw a bear stealth??
Depends on if there was a pikanik basket nearby.0 -
MickeyBN✭✭✭✭I don't play a Warden but after reading about everyone's technical issues with the bear (not attacking, not being in same room etc), if Blizzard was able to get it right with Hunters pets when the game came out 12 years ago, what's ZOS' excuse?
Seems like a pretty hard thing to get wrong.Vaelerys Nightborn - Bosmer Nightblade PC NA3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »Not jumped on the Warden wagon yet but I thought it would be useful with Necropotence to get the extra 4k mag.
It's a shame it takes both of the ultimate slots. I never leave home without the destro ultimate....
Wardens just use the "Betty Netch" which only needs to be on one bar, counts as a pet and therefore procs necropotence set
It's a magicka regen ability with no magicka cost, so there is no reason not to have it up 100% of the time.0 -
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Pets will stealth as much as you, you can use them on sneak missions.Hallothiel wrote: »Very happy with my bears.
But then I'm a lightweight quester flitting around not taking this game that seriously.
Although one did manage to get me a bounty as it attacked and killed an npc who went for me whilst in stealth mode. That was a bit unexpected.
When was the last time you saw a bear stealth??
If you are discovered and attacked the pet will attack the hostiles.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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No the scamp has good damage, so good it was nerfed a bit but still good.Same as the sorc pets useless other than procing necro.
The clanfear don't do much damage but its an good tank an healer.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
KeiruNicrom✭✭✭✭✭Sometimes a things exist to only look good. The bear looks cool. Sooooo mission accomplished0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »Does the bear have a heavy attack? Or is it just light swipes?
U guys are just begging for one of the strongest classes to become stronger get real lol
Warden has the lowest DPS in the game, by a country mile.1 -
CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »Does the bear have a heavy attack? Or is it just light swipes?
U guys are just begging for one of the strongest classes to become stronger get real lol
Warden has the lowest DPS in the game, by a country mile.
Yeah, but, he's comparing them to whatever is worse than NB's.0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The bear has three uses:
1. RPing (great for this)
2. Boosting single target DPS on skeleton dummies.... since they won't fight back or spawn alongside any adds. The bear is unslotted in actual content
3. Duels, since pets have always been notoriously OP in 1v1s but helpless elsewhere in PvPEdited by Vaoh on June 14, 2017 8:16AM2 -
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✭✭Assuming the bear is following directions it's actually a very good skillFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Not jumped on the Warden wagon yet but I thought it would be useful with Necropotence to get the extra 4k mag.
It's a shame it takes both of the ultimate slots. I never leave home without the destro ultimate....
The netch is considered a pet, so 100% uptime on that negates the use of the bear completely if running Necro.Daggerfall Covenant
Sallington - Templar - Stormproof - Prefect II
Cobham - Sorcerer - Stormproof - First Sergeant II
Shallington - NightBlade - Lieutenant |
Balmorah - Templar - Sergeant ||0 -
Vercingetorix✭✭✭✭✭
✭The bear is a colossal disappointment. The lack of a taunt, its inability to stealth alongside you, and its inept pathing all make the ultimate largely worthless. As a Warden player, I find myself using the Storm or the Forest ults as they actually provide a reliable return on slot investment. Until the bear has all of these issues listed above resolved, I find no reason to use it.“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”1 -
runagate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The main benefit seems to be.the bonus damage per pet skill slotted much like similar passives.for sorc skills and.fightets guild skills
For instance in pve on a.stam toon you might with for active skills but it's.often better yo stack Hunter, Flawless, Trap, silver bolts and then your spammable on your single target bar just to get the big damage bonus per slotted skill, same with your Warden pet bar with Dive et al.
Advanced Species – Increases your damage of Animal Companions abilities by 2% for each Animal Companion ability slotted.
A 10% damage bonus with a bar loaded with critter skills. Odd thing is you'd want one on the back bar too for the +12% Stam/Magicka Regen, too, so a Stam build may want Flawless instead, and a mag build the cold ult with the max Magicka while slotted boost. That health regain when prets are unsummoned or killed is nice though and a bear ult user will never ever lack ult to resummon due to the ult Regen passive every 8 secondsEdited by runagate on June 14, 2017 5:05PM0 -
Skjoldur✭✭✭slumber_sandb16_ESO wrote: »A LOT more synergy with the player. Like when attacking the same target the bear could do some special attack whenever the player character uses a skill on the target. For example if I play my warden tank and I use puncture to taunt the enemy the bear could do a slash attack on the exposed flank for extra bleed damage etc. Right now its just a pet, but its an ultimate and would be a lot more enjoyable if it has more synergy. The Warden and the Bear, the A-Team of Tamriel.
That's why I referenced the White Lion class from Warhammer Online. That was a nice feeling when working together with the lion.1
