Royaji wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Here's the video by the way, everyone. Any advice would be much appreciated.

https://youtu.be/bOA89w_Pv7o

I'm not the biggest expert on magsorcs but I can easily see two major flaws in this video.

First you are running double pet. I'm not sure I've ever seen a double pet sorc in a trial. Drop twilight and slot Bound Aegis instead of it. Higher magicka will be a big increase to your DPS, twilight will not. Mag sorc can easily go over 50k magicka. Use it.

Second is Mages Wrath. Looks like you loose a lot of DPS once you go into full execute at the end. Drop the execute and just keep your regular rotation for the whole fight. Try slotting Inner Light instead of it. Extra magicka = extra DPS on your front bar.

I actually disagree on both counts. In single target settings, Twilight Matriarch (yes the healing version) will net more dps than using Bound Aegis. You can get slightly more with the dps version, but not enough to make it worth the extra magicka cost and global cooldown. And it's a good "oh crap" heal for when your healers are down. You can save the raid by giving yourself and others a little healing while yall work on rezzing the healers.

For Mage's Wrath, it actually can provide a hefty dps boost at the end of a parse, and becomes more useful the larger the boss's health pool is. I actually use Endless Fury now to help a little with mag regen. Peppering a few trash mobs with it doesn't end up costing you anything and helps the group drop them 20% faster.

See the video I posted above. The highest parse he gets is with 2 pets.

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

This patch all the sorcs I've seen been testing with off-balance. Partially due to the fact that they use Netch and that higher off-balance uptime is needed in groups due to the necessity of heavy attacks and Sorcs are usually the ones to run blockade of shock along with the healers. Plus, Dwemer constructs taken less damage from fire, meaning that the lightning wall is even more preferred.

Ehehehe.

I actually have very few ties to elite, not being one myself, but rumors have it (insert wiggling eyebrows here) that they still test PetSorc with BoFire. Sure, if this is Netch-build (or the part of the testing when they ask you to change Pet setup, because it's not always applicable) nobody asks to run BoF, that would be plain stupid Build is build. But "U pet? Only Fire Blockade"

Same goes for any magbuild, because Concussion procs from any Shock Damage, so you can "cheese the testing" with BoS + Force Pulse.

Dantaria wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

This patch all the sorcs I've seen been testing with off-balance. Partially due to the fact that they use Netch and that higher off-balance uptime is needed in groups due to the necessity of heavy attacks and Sorcs are usually the ones to run blockade of shock along with the healers. Plus, Dwemer constructs taken less damage from fire, meaning that the lightning wall is even more preferred.

Ehehehe.

I actually have very few ties to elite, not being one myself, but rumors have it (insert wiggling eyebrows here) that they still test PetSorc with BoFire. Sure, if this is Netch-build (or the part of the testing when they ask you to change Pet setup, because it's not always applicable) nobody asks to run BoF, that would be plain stupid Build is build. But "U pet? Only Fire Blockade"

Same goes for any magbuild, because Concussion procs from any Shock Damage, so you can "cheese the testing" with BoS + Force Pulse.

At this point, Concussion itself is cheesing because it gives Minor Vulnerability. So basically having any sort of lightning damage is cheesing. Nightblades also cheese because they have Minor Berserk. In fact, every class cheeses because they have a buff that other classes don't (Minor Prophecy/Savagery/Brutality/Sorcery). The only way to have a proper DPS test is to be fully raid buffed.

Technically, you're supposed to be DPS tested with your raid setup. So if you run a Blockade of Shock in trials, you're going to do the DPS test with a BoS. Plus its pretty easy to find out the real DPS of anyone just by checking the off-balance uptime and from there working out the DPS without it. It can also be done for Concussion and any other buff. But obviously, only on PC with Combat Metrics.

Be careful with the word "cheesing". Too many things in this game could apply to it.

Dantaria wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

At this point, Concussion itself is cheesing because it gives Minor Vulnerability. So basically having any sort of lightning damage is cheesing. Nightblades also cheese because they have Minor Berserk. In fact, every class cheeses because they have a buff that other classes don't (Minor Prophecy/Savagery/Brutality/Sorcery). The only way to have a proper DPS test is to be fully raid buffed.

Technically, you're supposed to be DPS tested with your raid setup. So if you run a Blockade of Shock in trials, you're going to do the DPS test with a BoS. Plus its pretty easy to find out the real DPS of anyone just by checking the off-balance uptime and from there working out the DPS without it. It can also be done for Concussion and any other buff. But obviously, only on PC with Combat Metrics.

Be careful with the word "cheesing". Too many things in this game could apply to it.

Trust me, I know

And you're right about Nightblades, etc. It's just that people who test are quite competent (or not, than run the hell outta there ) and they take all this stuff into account. Which is why 45k+ NB parses are usually not taken as seriously as those guys would like: they already have half of the raid buffes, so to speak. And testers know that.

You're not just taken to skele, you're with the person who tests you on TS/Discord the whole time and he/she does see what you're doing. And they see everything and Combat Metrics are asked for. And they do check your CP allocation to see if you didn't try anything there. So any "cheesing" is hard in the end. People who are on the top actually know some s**t

And they go with safer option "exclude everything you can exclude", hence - BoFire

Why would they not be taken seriously? Minor Berserk is 8% damage increase. Pretty easy to deduct the real DPS from that, if you really want to know. And no they don't have close to 50% of the raid buffs: Minor Vulnerability, Off-Balance, SPC, Warhorn Resource buff, Major Force, Minor Brutality/Sorcery/Prophecy, Engulfing Flames, Major Slayer, do I need to go on? As far as I'm aware, Sorcs get the same 8% damage done increase from Minor Vulnerability.

There's generally only 1 optimal CP distribution anyway so I don't see why anyone would want to "cheese" a DPS check that way. Would be pretty dumb lol I guess you could dump some points into penetration, but Alkosh isn't used anymore anyway so you should be at penetration cap with your basic CP setup...
I highly doubt that people go through that kind of trouble on a target skeleton (I've never seen that stuff you mentioned personally in my brief time on PC). Its pretty easy to see that if someone pulls 45k on the dummy, barely manages 30k on Rakkhat that he changed his setup for the skeleton test. On PC you have much better tests, why use the dummy?
BoF is not exactly a safer option: 20% extra damage on Blockade due to the Burning Status Effect, extra Ilambris procs that wouldn't happen with a BoS. In fact, you're screwing with the test even more. Much "safer" to just test with BoS and do some simple maths to get the "clean" number.

The only tests that are fair for every class are fully raid buffed DPS tests on the 25mil dummy.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Dantaria wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

This patch all the sorcs I've seen been testing with off-balance. Partially due to the fact that they use Netch and that higher off-balance uptime is needed in groups due to the necessity of heavy attacks and Sorcs are usually the ones to run blockade of shock along with the healers. Plus, Dwemer constructs taken less damage from fire, meaning that the lightning wall is even more preferred.

Ehehehe.

I actually have very few ties to elite, not being one myself, but rumors have it (insert wiggling eyebrows here) that they still test PetSorc with BoFire. Sure, if this is Netch-build (or the part of the testing when they ask you to change Pet setup, because it's not always applicable) nobody asks to run BoF, that would be plain stupid Build is build. But "U pet? Only Fire Blockade"

Same goes for any magbuild, because Concussion procs from any Shock Damage, so you can "cheese the testing" with BoS + Force Pulse.

At this point, Concussion itself is cheesing because it gives Minor Vulnerability. So basically having any sort of lightning damage is cheesing. Nightblades also cheese because they have Minor Berserk. In fact, every class cheeses because they have a buff that other classes don't (Minor Prophecy/Savagery/Brutality/Sorcery). The only way to have a proper DPS test is to be fully raid buffed.

Technically, you're supposed to be DPS tested with your raid setup. So if you run a Blockade of Shock in trials, you're going to do the DPS test with a BoS. Plus its pretty easy to find out the real DPS of anyone just by checking the off-balance uptime and from there working out the DPS without it. It can also be done for Concussion and any other buff. But obviously, only on PC with Combat Metrics.

Be careful with the word "cheesing". Too many things in this game could apply to it.

@IzakiBrotherSs I am noticing something fishy. I was informed that the 40k DPS minimum was mandatory PRE-Morrowind, and how everyone needs to re-test in said guild now. Lol. None of this was said to me prior. I also can't seem to find ANYONE on PS4-NA after asking around a lot to do 40k+ solo without any outside influence. I'm not saying that they don't exist, but that I haven't found them. And whenever I ask for proof of said high parses of folks claiming they can do 40k or around it, I'm met with an excuse.

I think that my buddy was playing a prank on me, as I haven't been around too much to know a few things regarding the end-game scene. But, it is what it is. I'm satisfied with my results for the day, although I will always strive to improve. One must always aim to do better.

Just don't bother with all that crap and if someone says that 40k is "minimum for raid material" laugh in their face. I mean I pull over 40k on my main classes and I still find it funny that people consider that as a minimum.
Just get past 35k DPS and make sure to be able to pull that same DPS in raids and you'll be fine.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Dantaria wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

This patch all the sorcs I've seen been testing with off-balance. Partially due to the fact that they use Netch and that higher off-balance uptime is needed in groups due to the necessity of heavy attacks and Sorcs are usually the ones to run blockade of shock along with the healers. Plus, Dwemer constructs taken less damage from fire, meaning that the lightning wall is even more preferred.

Ehehehe.

I actually have very few ties to elite, not being one myself, but rumors have it (insert wiggling eyebrows here) that they still test PetSorc with BoFire. Sure, if this is Netch-build (or the part of the testing when they ask you to change Pet setup, because it's not always applicable) nobody asks to run BoF, that would be plain stupid Build is build. But "U pet? Only Fire Blockade"

Same goes for any magbuild, because Concussion procs from any Shock Damage, so you can "cheese the testing" with BoS + Force Pulse.

At this point, Concussion itself is cheesing because it gives Minor Vulnerability. So basically having any sort of lightning damage is cheesing. Nightblades also cheese because they have Minor Berserk. In fact, every class cheeses because they have a buff that other classes don't (Minor Prophecy/Savagery/Brutality/Sorcery). The only way to have a proper DPS test is to be fully raid buffed.

Technically, you're supposed to be DPS tested with your raid setup. So if you run a Blockade of Shock in trials, you're going to do the DPS test with a BoS. Plus its pretty easy to find out the real DPS of anyone just by checking the off-balance uptime and from there working out the DPS without it. It can also be done for Concussion and any other buff. But obviously, only on PC with Combat Metrics.

Be careful with the word "cheesing". Too many things in this game could apply to it.

@IzakiBrotherSs I am noticing something fishy. I was informed that the 40k DPS minimum was mandatory PRE-Morrowind, and how everyone needs to re-test in said guild now. Lol. None of this was said to me prior. I also can't seem to find ANYONE on PS4-NA after asking around a lot to do 40k+ solo without any outside influence. I'm not saying that they don't exist, but that I haven't found them. And whenever I ask for proof of said high parses of folks claiming they can do 40k or around it, I'm met with an excuse.

I think that my buddy was playing a prank on me, as I haven't been around too much to know a few things regarding the end-game scene. But, it is what it is. I'm satisfied with my results for the day, although I will always strive to improve. One must always aim to do better.

Yep, on PS4/NA no one I know as of yet is asking for 40k minimum. I see a lot of 35k floating.

Destyran wrote: »

Highest i pulled last patch was 43k on mag sorc. With someone using eledrain and 38k on magplar someone using drain again. Sorcs can sneeze 40k+ saw a guy pull 49k last patch.

Highest I saw last patch was 58k single target on Ra Kotu last patch. DPS was a little crazy then.

It's dropped to around 52k this patch for Valariel parses, from what I've seen in my Discords. People are still testing stuff out though.

EDIT: These are raid buffed scores. Not skeleton scores.