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DPS Dummy / Target Skeleton Scores?
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Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭Oh no! Not this again..."Hitting 30K on a practice dummy is easy, anyone can do it"
While I don't doubt that it can be done, I don't think it's as easy as some of you make it sound. I got into it with some players a couple months ago about this. I challenged anyone to post a build including gear, champion points, and rotations that would get those higher numbers on a practice dummy. Nobody did. One person blew me off to watch a youtube video.
Seriously...if it's SO easy, what's the big secret? If it's SO easy why haven't 10 players shared their builds? I've been playing since Beta. If it was SO easy I would have done it by now through shear dumb luck!
I feel this way, to be honest. And mind you, I've beaten VMoL numerous times. As well as VAA-HM and VSO-HM. I'm doing my absolute best, and I'm barely pushing into the 28k range. This is solo mind you on a PetSorc heavy attack build. Gold Moondancer jewelry (with gold spell damage enchantments), Llambris (Heavy and medium in both infused), Necropotence (all infused), sharpened Moondancer Lightning Staff (with spell damage glyph), and Maelstrom's Inferno Staff (Infused and back bar). In other words, I'm basically running a slight variant of the build @Alcast has on his site for a PetSorc.
Incorporating Elemental Drain myself pushed me into the 27k range, but I can't seem to hit 30k. I'm thinking I should use the Twilight morph that does more damage to targets over 50% HP at this point. And try to squeeze in even more light attacks between bar and skill transitions.
Yeah, I'm hitting 27K with my gear and I can't see how it is "Easy" to be pushing those 30 - 40 K + numbers.
Again, I said it before, most people I know (and whom do trials ad vet trials) do like 20 - 25K dps. Asking for 35K seems absurd. This isn't WoW or FFXIV.
@Azyle1 I was told actually by an ex-GM that the mandatory standard of PetSorcs in a "proper" DPS testing environment is actually 40k minimum. As that's the baseline the top 3 end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA are requiring to be considered trial material. If you're not running pets, it's mandatory that you hit 38k. Even though I'm not trying out for these guilds, I still would like to be on par with them for my personal comfort and reasons. Like I said previously, if I ever get into a situation where I'm invited to do some veteran trials? I want to be able to know personally that my DPS isn't slacking. And that I'm able to keep up with the best of them. You know? I want to be able to join up with folks, and do my job. And not feel like, "Damn, my DPS is horrible." low key.
I get hat you are saying and I WANT to do as much dps as possible, but again, I'm just saying it isn't needed for most content. Now then, for Hardmodes and fast times, sure. I am constantly hitting a dummy, seeing where I can improve, but with my current set up at CP 355, I don't know how to get above 28K. Except for.. you know.. better gear.Edited by Azyle1 on June 12, 2017 4:33PM0 -
DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »Dummy parses mean literally nothing. I have seen people put up 40k+ and yet when we get in trials they are dying or I see them spamming shield, away from the boss, etc. 30k on a dummy with excellent time on target is just fine. However, if you're able to keep a rotation up while performing mechanics then you should be able to pull higher on a dummy.
The way I see it, if you're pulling like 30k on a dummy then you probably miss weaves or don't know your rotation well enough. Which means when you throw in dodging mechanics you'll probably spam one button or shield a lot.
30k is low?
You realize that likely 85% of the playerbase can barely get above 25K. I have a Stamblade with 2 pc Veli, 5 pc hundings and 5 pc 2 Fang ( some blue jewelry too with the set ) and I do about 27 - 28K on a dummy. This is post patch. I lost 0 dps because I figured out how to play. My Dps is fine for vet trials. Maybe it would be tight for VMoL, but people saying you need 35K + dps I think must be only referring to HM. Because, when you can 4 man a normal Trial (Yes, just normal ,but still ), you know this game is casual and thus you don't need big numbers.
Never explicitly said 30k was low. But if you know your rotation well enough and don't miss weaves then you should have absolutely no problem pulling over 30k, even without major buffs/ultimate in most cases.Brodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
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Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »Dummy parses mean literally nothing. I have seen people put up 40k+ and yet when we get in trials they are dying or I see them spamming shield, away from the boss, etc. 30k on a dummy with excellent time on target is just fine. However, if you're able to keep a rotation up while performing mechanics then you should be able to pull higher on a dummy.
The way I see it, if you're pulling like 30k on a dummy then you probably miss weaves or don't know your rotation well enough. Which means when you throw in dodging mechanics you'll probably spam one button or shield a lot.
30k is low?
You realize that likely 85% of the playerbase can barely get above 25K. I have a Stamblade with 2 pc Veli, 5 pc hundings and 5 pc 2 Fang ( some blue jewelry too with the set ) and I do about 27 - 28K on a dummy. This is post patch. I lost 0 dps because I figured out how to play. My Dps is fine for vet trials. Maybe it would be tight for VMoL, but people saying you need 35K + dps I think must be only referring to HM. Because, when you can 4 man a normal Trial (Yes, just normal ,but still ), you know this game is casual and thus you don't need big numbers.
Never explicitly said 30k was low. But if you know your rotation well enough and don't miss weaves then you should have absolutely no problem pulling over 30k, even without major buffs/ultimate in most cases.
If that is the case, then I must be doing something severely wrong, because I cannot get above 28K with my Stamblade.
5 PC hundings, 5 pc 2 fang, velidreth 2 pc and CP 355. I try and try to increase and I can't seem to go higher. now, if you are talking about a CP 630 player, then fine... different story.0 -
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If that is the case, then I must be doing something severely wrong, because I cannot get above 28K with my Stamblade.
5 PC hundings, 5 pc 2 fang, velidreth 2 pc and CP 355. I try and try to increase and I can't seem to go higher. now, if you are talking about a CP 630 player, then fine... different story.
You are missing almost 300CP and this will definitely affect your dps. With your current rotation hitting 28k, you can probably reach 35k with full CP.
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✭Oh no! Not this again..."Hitting 30K on a practice dummy is easy, anyone can do it"
While I don't doubt that it can be done, I don't think it's as easy as some of you make it sound. I got into it with some players a couple months ago about this. I challenged anyone to post a build including gear, champion points, and rotations that would get those higher numbers on a practice dummy. Nobody did. One person blew me off to watch a youtube video.
Seriously...if it's SO easy, what's the big secret? If it's SO easy why haven't 10 players shared their builds? I've been playing since Beta. If it was SO easy I would have done it by now through shear dumb luck!
Because it takes time to post builds and you seem pretty dead set on being confrontational. You want 30k on a magsorc? Julianos, willpower, light weave every attack. LL, WOE, bar swap, pet, Curse, FP+cfrag X 4, bar swap... repeat. Drop meteors on cooldown.PC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
Lilith Arujo - DC sorc tank/dps/healer - Dro-m'Athra Destroyer, Gryphon Heart, Grand Warlord
Lilith Tortorici - DC templar trials healer
Notable Completions:
vAS (72k), vMoL HM (160k), vAA HM (135k), vHRC HM, vSO HM (141k), vHoF HM (168k), vCR+3(129k), vDSA 45k, vMA 591k
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LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »Dummy parses mean literally nothing. I have seen people put up 40k+ and yet when we get in trials they are dying or I see them spamming shield, away from the boss, etc. 30k on a dummy with excellent time on target is just fine. However, if you're able to keep a rotation up while performing mechanics then you should be able to pull higher on a dummy.
The way I see it, if you're pulling like 30k on a dummy then you probably miss weaves or don't know your rotation well enough. Which means when you throw in dodging mechanics you'll probably spam one button or shield a lot.
30k is low?
You realize that likely 85% of the playerbase can barely get above 25K. I have a Stamblade with 2 pc Veli, 5 pc hundings and 5 pc 2 Fang ( some blue jewelry too with the set ) and I do about 27 - 28K on a dummy. This is post patch. I lost 0 dps because I figured out how to play. My Dps is fine for vet trials. Maybe it would be tight for VMoL, but people saying you need 35K + dps I think must be only referring to HM. Because, when you can 4 man a normal Trial (Yes, just normal ,but still ), you know this game is casual and thus you don't need big numbers.
Never explicitly said 30k was low. But if you know your rotation well enough and don't miss weaves then you should have absolutely no problem pulling over 30k, even without major buffs/ultimate in most cases.
If that is the case, then I must be doing something severely wrong, because I cannot get above 28K with my Stamblade.
5 PC hundings, 5 pc 2 fang, velidreth 2 pc and CP 355. I try and try to increase and I can't seem to go higher. now, if you are talking about a CP 630 player, then fine... different story.
@Azyle1 personally I would say that 30k is the DPS floor for regular Trials groups.
No Minor Slayer is a bit of a hit. 5 x VO would probably serve you better than Hunding's.
Stamblades are hitting 45k+ solo on target skeletons this patch, but that's with 5 x War Machine. Nonetheless, you should be able to easily get over 30k, even at 355 CP.
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Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »Dummy parses mean literally nothing. I have seen people put up 40k+ and yet when we get in trials they are dying or I see them spamming shield, away from the boss, etc. 30k on a dummy with excellent time on target is just fine. However, if you're able to keep a rotation up while performing mechanics then you should be able to pull higher on a dummy.
The way I see it, if you're pulling like 30k on a dummy then you probably miss weaves or don't know your rotation well enough. Which means when you throw in dodging mechanics you'll probably spam one button or shield a lot.
30k is low?
You realize that likely 85% of the playerbase can barely get above 25K. I have a Stamblade with 2 pc Veli, 5 pc hundings and 5 pc 2 Fang ( some blue jewelry too with the set ) and I do about 27 - 28K on a dummy. This is post patch. I lost 0 dps because I figured out how to play. My Dps is fine for vet trials. Maybe it would be tight for VMoL, but people saying you need 35K + dps I think must be only referring to HM. Because, when you can 4 man a normal Trial (Yes, just normal ,but still ), you know this game is casual and thus you don't need big numbers.
Never explicitly said 30k was low. But if you know your rotation well enough and don't miss weaves then you should have absolutely no problem pulling over 30k, even without major buffs/ultimate in most cases.
If that is the case, then I must be doing something severely wrong, because I cannot get above 28K with my Stamblade.
5 PC hundings, 5 pc 2 fang, velidreth 2 pc and CP 355. I try and try to increase and I can't seem to go higher. now, if you are talking about a CP 630 player, then fine... different story.
@Azyle1 personally I would say that 30k is the DPS floor for regular Trials groups.
No Minor Slayer is a bit of a hit. 5 x VO would probably serve you better than Hunding's.
Stamblades are hitting 45k+ solo on target skeletons this patch, but that's with 5 x War Machine. Nonetheless, you should be able to easily get over 30k, even at 355 CP.
What's your rotation look like?
Endless Hail, Rearming trap, poison injection, caltrops - switch - Rending slashes, blade cloak, surprise attack, switch back right before endless hail drops. Light attacks between everything. Keep Grim focus and Leeching up, Rend when able(DW ulti), incap at 25% or less and spam killers blade instead of surprise attack. I usually drop rending at 25% too.
Heavy attacks as needed.
I mean I'm on Xbox and while it certainly seems people are somewhat less skilled on consoles... I used to raid hardcore in WoW and FFXIV.. so.. I want to be good, but I'm scratching my head.
I do wonder if I should drop rend for incap strike all the time? maybe that would be a big increase? I basically get to use 2 ultimates for the price of one and get to increase my damage.Edited by Azyle1 on June 12, 2017 5:44PM0 -
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✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »Dummy parses mean literally nothing. I have seen people put up 40k+ and yet when we get in trials they are dying or I see them spamming shield, away from the boss, etc. 30k on a dummy with excellent time on target is just fine. However, if you're able to keep a rotation up while performing mechanics then you should be able to pull higher on a dummy.
The way I see it, if you're pulling like 30k on a dummy then you probably miss weaves or don't know your rotation well enough. Which means when you throw in dodging mechanics you'll probably spam one button or shield a lot.
30k is low?
You realize that likely 85% of the playerbase can barely get above 25K. I have a Stamblade with 2 pc Veli, 5 pc hundings and 5 pc 2 Fang ( some blue jewelry too with the set ) and I do about 27 - 28K on a dummy. This is post patch. I lost 0 dps because I figured out how to play. My Dps is fine for vet trials. Maybe it would be tight for VMoL, but people saying you need 35K + dps I think must be only referring to HM. Because, when you can 4 man a normal Trial (Yes, just normal ,but still ), you know this game is casual and thus you don't need big numbers.
Never explicitly said 30k was low. But if you know your rotation well enough and don't miss weaves then you should have absolutely no problem pulling over 30k, even without major buffs/ultimate in most cases.
If that is the case, then I must be doing something severely wrong, because I cannot get above 28K with my Stamblade.
5 PC hundings, 5 pc 2 fang, velidreth 2 pc and CP 355. I try and try to increase and I can't seem to go higher. now, if you are talking about a CP 630 player, then fine... different story.
@Azyle1 personally I would say that 30k is the DPS floor for regular Trials groups.
No Minor Slayer is a bit of a hit. 5 x VO would probably serve you better than Hunding's.
Stamblades are hitting 45k+ solo on target skeletons this patch, but that's with 5 x War Machine. Nonetheless, you should be able to easily get over 30k, even at 355 CP.
What's your rotation look like?
Endless Hail, Rearming trap, poison injection, caltrops - switch - Rending slashes, blade cloak, surprise attack, switch back right before endless hail drops. Light attacks between everything. Keep Grim focus and Leeching up, Rend when able(DW ulti), incap at 25% or less and spam killers blade instead of surprise attack. I usually drop rending at 25% too.
Heavy attacks as needed.
I mean I'm on Xbox and while it certainly seems people are somewhat less skilled on consoles... I used to raid hardcore in WoW and FFXIV.. so.. I want to be good, but I'm scratching my head.
I do wonder if I should drop rend for incap strike all the time? maybe that would be a big increase? I basically get to use 2 ultimates for the price of one and get to increase my damage.
@Azyle1
I would suggest a slightly different order of operations for your bow bar DoTs ... Trap-->Hail-->Caltrops-->Poison Injection. Trap has the longest duration so it can go first, this will allow your Hail and Poison Injection to see greater benefit from the Hawkeye passive, and swap-canceling Poison Injection will increase its DPS substantially if you swap before impact. I assume you've got Relentless Focus on the DW bar and you're hitting the proc every time it's up? Also, you should be able to get ~4-5 skills or heavy attacks in after Rending Slashes and Blade Cloak ... so at full stamina something like: LA/Rending Slashes-->LA/Blade Cloak-->LA/Surprise Attack-->LA/Assassin's Will-->LA/Surprise Attack-->LA/Surprise Attack-->swap.
Are you using Weapon Power pots in your tests (Major Brutality + Major Savagery)?
I don't think switching to Incap full-time will be a noticeable DPS increase unless you are running 5 x War Machine. In my tests, I don't see a significant difference between Incap/Rend/Dawnbreaker/Ballista. Rend usually comes out on top for me but not by a large margin (without Maelstrom weapons), but I haven't done much Ulti testing since about 3.0.2 on the PTS.0 -
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This video might be helpful. It's not mine, but I think it does a nice job showing the rotation off.Edited by dpencil1 on June 12, 2017 7:00PM0 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »Dummy parses mean literally nothing. I have seen people put up 40k+ and yet when we get in trials they are dying or I see them spamming shield, away from the boss, etc. 30k on a dummy with excellent time on target is just fine. However, if you're able to keep a rotation up while performing mechanics then you should be able to pull higher on a dummy.
The way I see it, if you're pulling like 30k on a dummy then you probably miss weaves or don't know your rotation well enough. Which means when you throw in dodging mechanics you'll probably spam one button or shield a lot.
30k is low?
You realize that likely 85% of the playerbase can barely get above 25K. I have a Stamblade with 2 pc Veli, 5 pc hundings and 5 pc 2 Fang ( some blue jewelry too with the set ) and I do about 27 - 28K on a dummy. This is post patch. I lost 0 dps because I figured out how to play. My Dps is fine for vet trials. Maybe it would be tight for VMoL, but people saying you need 35K + dps I think must be only referring to HM. Because, when you can 4 man a normal Trial (Yes, just normal ,but still ), you know this game is casual and thus you don't need big numbers.
Never explicitly said 30k was low. But if you know your rotation well enough and don't miss weaves then you should have absolutely no problem pulling over 30k, even without major buffs/ultimate in most cases.
If that is the case, then I must be doing something severely wrong, because I cannot get above 28K with my Stamblade.
5 PC hundings, 5 pc 2 fang, velidreth 2 pc and CP 355. I try and try to increase and I can't seem to go higher. now, if you are talking about a CP 630 player, then fine... different story.
@Azyle1 personally I would say that 30k is the DPS floor for regular Trials groups.
No Minor Slayer is a bit of a hit. 5 x VO would probably serve you better than Hunding's.
Stamblades are hitting 45k+ solo on target skeletons this patch, but that's with 5 x War Machine. Nonetheless, you should be able to easily get over 30k, even at 355 CP.
What's your rotation look like?
Endless Hail, Rearming trap, poison injection, caltrops - switch - Rending slashes, blade cloak, surprise attack, switch back right before endless hail drops. Light attacks between everything. Keep Grim focus and Leeching up, Rend when able(DW ulti), incap at 25% or less and spam killers blade instead of surprise attack. I usually drop rending at 25% too.
Heavy attacks as needed.
I mean I'm on Xbox and while it certainly seems people are somewhat less skilled on consoles... I used to raid hardcore in WoW and FFXIV.. so.. I want to be good, but I'm scratching my head.
I do wonder if I should drop rend for incap strike all the time? maybe that would be a big increase? I basically get to use 2 ultimates for the price of one and get to increase my damage.
@Azyle1
I would suggest a slightly different order of operations for your bow bar DoTs ... Trap-->Hail-->Caltrops-->Poison Injection. Trap has the longest duration so it can go first, this will allow your Hail and Poison Injection to see greater benefit from the Hawkeye passive, and swap-canceling Poison Injection will increase its DPS substantially if you swap before impact. I assume you've got Relentless Focus on the DW bar and you're hitting the proc every time it's up? Also, you should be able to get ~4-5 skills or heavy attacks in after Rending Slashes and Blade Cloak ... so at full stamina something like: LA/Rending Slashes-->LA/Blade Cloak-->LA/Surprise Attack-->LA/Assassin's Will-->LA/Surprise Attack-->LA/Surprise Attack-->swap.
Are you using Weapon Power pots in your tests (Major Brutality + Major Savagery)?
I don't think switching to Incap full-time will be a noticeable DPS increase unless you are running 5 x War Machine. In my tests, I don't see a significant difference between Incap/Rend/Dawnbreaker/Ballista. Rend usually comes out on top for me but not by a large margin (without Maelstrom weapons), but I haven't done much Ulti testing since about 3.0.2 on the PTS.
@LiquidPony
Some good insight here- Thank you. I can switch up the bow bar. Will take a little practice, but I'll do that. LA before rending is something I have never done, so I will try adding that to the mix. But typically, yes, that is what I do for the most part. I use weapon damage pots also. Is keeping blade cloak up full time a big priority? I wonder if I have to use it every rotation or every other rotation.Edited by Azyle1 on June 12, 2017 7:03PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oh no! Not this again..."Hitting 30K on a practice dummy is easy, anyone can do it"
While I don't doubt that it can be done, I don't think it's as easy as some of you make it sound. I got into it with some players a couple months ago about this. I challenged anyone to post a build including gear, champion points, and rotations that would get those higher numbers on a practice dummy. Nobody did. One person blew me off to watch a youtube video.
Seriously...if it's SO easy, what's the big secret? If it's SO easy why haven't 10 players shared their builds? I've been playing since Beta. If it was SO easy I would have done it by now through shear dumb luck!
I feel this way, to be honest. And mind you, I've beaten VMoL numerous times. As well as VAA-HM and VSO-HM. I'm doing my absolute best, and I'm barely pushing into the 28k range. This is solo mind you on a PetSorc heavy attack build. Gold Moondancer jewelry (with gold spell damage enchantments), Llambris (Heavy and medium in both infused), Necropotence (all infused), sharpened Moondancer Lightning Staff (with spell damage glyph), and Maelstrom's Inferno Staff (Infused and back bar). In other words, I'm basically running a slight variant of the build @Alcast has on his site for a PetSorc.
Incorporating Elemental Drain myself pushed me into the 27k range, but I can't seem to hit 30k. I'm thinking I should use the Twilight morph that does more damage to targets over 50% HP at this point. And try to squeeze in even more light attacks between bar and skill transitions.
Just to make sure, you are also using spell power pots on cooldown right?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oh no! Not this again..."Hitting 30K on a practice dummy is easy, anyone can do it"
While I don't doubt that it can be done, I don't think it's as easy as some of you make it sound. I got into it with some players a couple months ago about this. I challenged anyone to post a build including gear, champion points, and rotations that would get those higher numbers on a practice dummy. Nobody did. One person blew me off to watch a youtube video.
Seriously...if it's SO easy, what's the big secret? If it's SO easy why haven't 10 players shared their builds? I've been playing since Beta. If it was SO easy I would have done it by now through shear dumb luck!
I feel this way, to be honest. And mind you, I've beaten VMoL numerous times. As well as VAA-HM and VSO-HM. I'm doing my absolute best, and I'm barely pushing into the 28k range. This is solo mind you on a PetSorc heavy attack build. Gold Moondancer jewelry (with gold spell damage enchantments), Llambris (Heavy and medium in both infused), Necropotence (all infused), sharpened Moondancer Lightning Staff (with spell damage glyph), and Maelstrom's Inferno Staff (Infused and back bar). In other words, I'm basically running a slight variant of the build @Alcast has on his site for a PetSorc.
Incorporating Elemental Drain myself pushed me into the 27k range, but I can't seem to hit 30k. I'm thinking I should use the Twilight morph that does more damage to targets over 50% HP at this point. And try to squeeze in even more light attacks between bar and skill transitions.
Just to make sure, you are also using spell power pots on cooldown right?
I actually wasn't. Lmao. Upon doing so, I finally hit my goal of 30k DPS solo on the target dummy for the day. Now I can go back to questing for the day, and farming gear. Whew.
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✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »Dummy parses mean literally nothing. I have seen people put up 40k+ and yet when we get in trials they are dying or I see them spamming shield, away from the boss, etc. 30k on a dummy with excellent time on target is just fine. However, if you're able to keep a rotation up while performing mechanics then you should be able to pull higher on a dummy.
The way I see it, if you're pulling like 30k on a dummy then you probably miss weaves or don't know your rotation well enough. Which means when you throw in dodging mechanics you'll probably spam one button or shield a lot.
30k is low?
You realize that likely 85% of the playerbase can barely get above 25K. I have a Stamblade with 2 pc Veli, 5 pc hundings and 5 pc 2 Fang ( some blue jewelry too with the set ) and I do about 27 - 28K on a dummy. This is post patch. I lost 0 dps because I figured out how to play. My Dps is fine for vet trials. Maybe it would be tight for VMoL, but people saying you need 35K + dps I think must be only referring to HM. Because, when you can 4 man a normal Trial (Yes, just normal ,but still ), you know this game is casual and thus you don't need big numbers.
Never explicitly said 30k was low. But if you know your rotation well enough and don't miss weaves then you should have absolutely no problem pulling over 30k, even without major buffs/ultimate in most cases.
If that is the case, then I must be doing something severely wrong, because I cannot get above 28K with my Stamblade.
5 PC hundings, 5 pc 2 fang, velidreth 2 pc and CP 355. I try and try to increase and I can't seem to go higher. now, if you are talking about a CP 630 player, then fine... different story.
@Azyle1 personally I would say that 30k is the DPS floor for regular Trials groups.
No Minor Slayer is a bit of a hit. 5 x VO would probably serve you better than Hunding's.
Stamblades are hitting 45k+ solo on target skeletons this patch, but that's with 5 x War Machine. Nonetheless, you should be able to easily get over 30k, even at 355 CP.
What's your rotation look like?
Endless Hail, Rearming trap, poison injection, caltrops - switch - Rending slashes, blade cloak, surprise attack, switch back right before endless hail drops. Light attacks between everything. Keep Grim focus and Leeching up, Rend when able(DW ulti), incap at 25% or less and spam killers blade instead of surprise attack. I usually drop rending at 25% too.
Heavy attacks as needed.
I mean I'm on Xbox and while it certainly seems people are somewhat less skilled on consoles... I used to raid hardcore in WoW and FFXIV.. so.. I want to be good, but I'm scratching my head.
I do wonder if I should drop rend for incap strike all the time? maybe that would be a big increase? I basically get to use 2 ultimates for the price of one and get to increase my damage.
@Azyle1
I would suggest a slightly different order of operations for your bow bar DoTs ... Trap-->Hail-->Caltrops-->Poison Injection. Trap has the longest duration so it can go first, this will allow your Hail and Poison Injection to see greater benefit from the Hawkeye passive, and swap-canceling Poison Injection will increase its DPS substantially if you swap before impact. I assume you've got Relentless Focus on the DW bar and you're hitting the proc every time it's up? Also, you should be able to get ~4-5 skills or heavy attacks in after Rending Slashes and Blade Cloak ... so at full stamina something like: LA/Rending Slashes-->LA/Blade Cloak-->LA/Surprise Attack-->LA/Assassin's Will-->LA/Surprise Attack-->LA/Surprise Attack-->swap.
Are you using Weapon Power pots in your tests (Major Brutality + Major Savagery)?
I don't think switching to Incap full-time will be a noticeable DPS increase unless you are running 5 x War Machine. In my tests, I don't see a significant difference between Incap/Rend/Dawnbreaker/Ballista. Rend usually comes out on top for me but not by a large margin (without Maelstrom weapons), but I haven't done much Ulti testing since about 3.0.2 on the PTS.
@LiquidPony
Some good insight here- Thank you. I can switch up the bow bar. Will take a little practice, but I'll do that. LA before rending is something I have never done, so I will try adding that to the mix. But typically, yes, that is what I do for the most part. I use weapon damage pots also. Is keeping blade cloak up full time a big priority? I wonder if I have to use it every rotation or every other rotation.
@Azyle1 I would recommend hitting Light Attack before casting any skill, be it a buff or DoT or attack ... except in the case of a heavy attack. It will increase DPS in and of itself, increase resource return from Leeching Strikes, and increase the amount of Assassin's Will procs you get (aim to get 2 procs every time you cast Relentless Focus).
Optimally you would just cast Deadly Cloak when it runs out. If you keep it up close to 100% of the time it's 2k+ DPS, but even at something like 66% uptime it should get you 1.5k or so.
Also, make sure to always bar swap immediately after casting a skill (never after a heavy attack or light attack). So swap out of Poison Injection on the bow bar and then out of Surprise Attack (usually) on the DW bar. The only other thing I can think of is to make sure to never cast 2 Heavy Attacks back-to-back (always heavy weave when using heavies, so hold the heavy and spam a skill button until it casts).
Aside from that, your gear is fine and your rotation looks pretty good. It's probably just down to optimizing a few things to make sure your DoTs are always up and that you're maximizing Hawkeye and Assassin's Will procs. You'll also see your DPS steadily increase as you accrue more CP.0 -
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✭✭Oh no! Not this again..."Hitting 30K on a practice dummy is easy, anyone can do it"
While I don't doubt that it can be done, I don't think it's as easy as some of you make it sound. I got into it with some players a couple months ago about this. I challenged anyone to post a build including gear, champion points, and rotations that would get those higher numbers on a practice dummy. Nobody did. One person blew me off to watch a youtube video.
Seriously...if it's SO easy, what's the big secret? If it's SO easy why haven't 10 players shared their builds? I've been playing since Beta. If it was SO easy I would have done it by now through shear dumb luck!
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^ 44.2k and 45.3k DPS fully self-buffed. That was back on the last week of PTS with 250 ping, so I reckon it could be about 2k higher, I haven't done any DPS tests since cause nothing changed.
5 Two-Fanged, 5 Hunding's, 2 Kra'gh, vMA Bow, all weapons sharpened.
Blue CP: 44 Master At Arms, 48 Thaumaturge, 56 Mighty, 52 Precise Strikes, 7 Piercing, 3 Physical Weapons expert.
Rotation:
Pre-buff with Relentless Focus, Deadly Cloak and Leeching Strikes
Step 1: Trap > Hail > Caltrops > Injection > swap > Rending Slashes > Incap Strike > Bow proc > Surprise Attack x3
Step 2: Trap > Hail > Caltrops > Injection > swap > Bow Proc > Relentless Focus > Heavy Attack > Rending Slashes > Deadly Cloak > Heavy Attack > Surprise Attack
In execute phase replace the Surprise Attacks by Killer's Blade. Feel free to do more Heavy Attacks in Step 2 or rebuff Leeching Strikes. Light attacks between every skill unless mentioned otherwise. Try to keep Deadly Cloak up 100% of the time, refresh it whenever its down. Incap Strike is ready roughly every 22 seconds on average so you can reliably include it in your rotation.
Now that's basically the Best in Slot build. You could easily get 30k DPS even if you replace Two-Fanged Snake with Spriggan and the vMA bow with a Master's Bow or a Hunding's Bow. You'd lose about 2-4k DPS by not having the vMA Bow. You'd have to adjust the CP slightly to include 1k more penetration due to the lack of Two-Fanged Snake.
From there on, if you can't hit 30k, its just practice and learning from your mistakes. Trust me 30k is pretty easy on every class (aside from maybe a Magicka Warden) if you know what you're doing.
And by the way, people do share their builds, you just need to look for them. Here and on Tamriel Foundry some of the best DPS/Healers/Tanks have shared their builds dissecting everything, from food and potions all the way to more complex rotations and optimal CP distributions.Edited by Izaki on June 12, 2017 9:38PM@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭Oh no! Not this again..."Hitting 30K on a practice dummy is easy, anyone can do it"
While I don't doubt that it can be done, I don't think it's as easy as some of you make it sound. I got into it with some players a couple months ago about this. I challenged anyone to post a build including gear, champion points, and rotations that would get those higher numbers on a practice dummy. Nobody did. One person blew me off to watch a youtube video.
Seriously...if it's SO easy, what's the big secret? If it's SO easy why haven't 10 players shared their builds? I've been playing since Beta. If it was SO easy I would have done it by now through shear dumb luck!
I feel this way, to be honest. And mind you, I've beaten VMoL numerous times. As well as VAA-HM and VSO-HM. I'm doing my absolute best, and I'm barely pushing into the 28k range. This is solo mind you on a PetSorc heavy attack build. Gold Moondancer jewelry (with gold spell damage enchantments), Llambris (Heavy and medium in both infused), Necropotence (all infused), sharpened Moondancer Lightning Staff (with spell damage glyph), and Maelstrom's Inferno Staff (Infused and back bar). In other words, I'm basically running a slight variant of the build @Alcast has on his site for a PetSorc.
Incorporating Elemental Drain myself pushed me into the 27k range, but I can't seem to hit 30k. I'm thinking I should use the Twilight morph that does more damage to targets over 50% HP at this point. And try to squeeze in even more light attacks between bar and skill transitions.
Yeah, I'm hitting 27K with my gear and I can't see how it is "Easy" to be pushing those 30 - 40 K + numbers.
Again, I said it before, most people I know (and whom do trials ad vet trials) do like 20 - 25K dps. Asking for 35K seems absurd. This isn't WoW or FFXIV.
@Azyle1 I was told actually by an ex-GM that the mandatory standard of PetSorcs in a "proper" DPS testing environment is actually 40k minimum. As that's the baseline the top 3 end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA are requiring to be considered trial material. If you're not running pets, it's mandatory that you hit 38k. Even though I'm not trying out for these guilds, I still would like to be on par with them for my personal comfort and reasons. Like I said previously, if I ever get into a situation where I'm invited to do some veteran trials? I want to be able to know personally that my DPS isn't slacking. And that I'm able to keep up with the best of them. You know? I want to be able to join up with folks, and do my job. And not feel like, "Damn, my DPS is horrible." low key.
There's no way people are going to ask for 38-40k minimum in Morrowind for Sorcs.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »So for someone that doesn't have Vet Maelstrom Arena weapons, what kind of numbers? Is it possible to hit that 30K without them? Cause Vet Maelstrom isn't going to happen for me in my lifetime. I need alternatives.
vMA Dual Wield weapons aren't exactly a top choice this patch. So don't worry about them at all. But you do need the vMA Bow.
Me:
..."Cause Vet Maelstrom isn't going to happen....I need alternatives."
You:
"...you do need the vMA Bow"
Me:
Not helpful.
There are alternatives like the Master's Bow or just a set bow. But your DPS isn't going to be too good. I didn't see you had mentioned 30k, btw. Hitting 30k should be easy and you don't need any BiS gear for that at all
I'm being very curious. HOW is 30k easy? 5 Pc hundings, 5 Pc 2 Fang, 2 pc velidreth... 27K - 28K dps is my max. I CANNOT go above that at CP 355.
Your rotation and your weaving are most likely the reason. You're also losing some DPS (about 2-4k) due to not having max CP. Adjust your CP to not have any jump points. Make sure to get all light attacks to land and time well your heavy attacks. Don't lose uptime on DoTs especially Endless Hail and Poison Injection. At this point its just practice.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »Dummy parses mean literally nothing. I have seen people put up 40k+ and yet when we get in trials they are dying or I see them spamming shield, away from the boss, etc. 30k on a dummy with excellent time on target is just fine. However, if you're able to keep a rotation up while performing mechanics then you should be able to pull higher on a dummy.
The way I see it, if you're pulling like 30k on a dummy then you probably miss weaves or don't know your rotation well enough. Which means when you throw in dodging mechanics you'll probably spam one button or shield a lot.
30k is low?
You realize that likely 85% of the playerbase can barely get above 25K. I have a Stamblade with 2 pc Veli, 5 pc hundings and 5 pc 2 Fang ( some blue jewelry too with the set ) and I do about 27 - 28K on a dummy. This is post patch. I lost 0 dps because I figured out how to play. My Dps is fine for vet trials. Maybe it would be tight for VMoL, but people saying you need 35K + dps I think must be only referring to HM. Because, when you can 4 man a normal Trial (Yes, just normal ,but still ), you know this game is casual and thus you don't need big numbers.
Never explicitly said 30k was low. But if you know your rotation well enough and don't miss weaves then you should have absolutely no problem pulling over 30k, even without major buffs/ultimate in most cases.
If that is the case, then I must be doing something severely wrong, because I cannot get above 28K with my Stamblade.
5 PC hundings, 5 pc 2 fang, velidreth 2 pc and CP 355. I try and try to increase and I can't seem to go higher. now, if you are talking about a CP 630 player, then fine... different story.
@Azyle1 personally I would say that 30k is the DPS floor for regular Trials groups.
No Minor Slayer is a bit of a hit. 5 x VO would probably serve you better than Hunding's.
Stamblades are hitting 45k+ solo on target skeletons this patch, but that's with 5 x War Machine. Nonetheless, you should be able to easily get over 30k, even at 355 CP.
What's your rotation look like?
Hunding's does more damage than VO by the way. War Machine 5pc on a stamblade is roughly 7.5% more damage in a fight. Hunding's 5pc is about 5-6% (if you take the standard Redguard stamblade stats).
You don't need War Machine to use Incap at all. I've always had best results with Incap vs literally any other ultimate. This is most likely due to the fact that if you get your rotation right, you can get a mad burst right after the Incap. That ultimate is like a miniature standard of might.Edited by Izaki on June 12, 2017 9:35PM@ Izaki #PCEU
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Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »So for someone that doesn't have Vet Maelstrom Arena weapons, what kind of numbers? Is it possible to hit that 30K without them? Cause Vet Maelstrom isn't going to happen for me in my lifetime. I need alternatives.
vMA Dual Wield weapons aren't exactly a top choice this patch. So don't worry about them at all. But you do need the vMA Bow.
Me:
..."Cause Vet Maelstrom isn't going to happen....I need alternatives."
You:
"...you do need the vMA Bow"
Me:
Not helpful.
There are alternatives like the Master's Bow or just a set bow. But your DPS isn't going to be too good. I didn't see you had mentioned 30k, btw. Hitting 30k should be easy and you don't need any BiS gear for that at all
I'm being very curious. HOW is 30k easy? 5 Pc hundings, 5 Pc 2 Fang, 2 pc velidreth... 27K - 28K dps is my max. I CANNOT go above that at CP 355.
Your rotation and your weaving are most likely the reason. You're also losing some DPS (about 2-4k) due to not having max CP. Adjust your CP to not have any jump points. Make sure to get all light attacks to land and time well your heavy attacks. Don't lose uptime on DoTs especially Endless Hail and Poison Injection. At this point its just practice.
@IzakiBrotherSs
@LiquidPony
Thanks.
Thanks to all who have helped. Thanks for not saying, "You suck". I know I can figure it out, but it seems a little more involved than I thought. However, I'm excited t get out there and practice. I talked to Jeckll on Tamriel Foundry and he said drop Dubious and stick everything into stam. So I should have around 34K stam. That is almost 5K difference, which should help, despite losing some recovery from the dubious when I switched to spring rabbit.
I'll keep practicing and I'm sure eventually I'll get there.
Edit: Jeckll also said something about... just getting used to using Heavy on the DW bar and that I can hold it down? Maybe I'm not quite as good at this weaving as I thought. said hold it down and use your ability the same time that the heavy attack starts.Edited by Azyle1 on June 12, 2017 9:48PM0 -
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✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »So for someone that doesn't have Vet Maelstrom Arena weapons, what kind of numbers? Is it possible to hit that 30K without them? Cause Vet Maelstrom isn't going to happen for me in my lifetime. I need alternatives.
vMA Dual Wield weapons aren't exactly a top choice this patch. So don't worry about them at all. But you do need the vMA Bow.
Me:
..."Cause Vet Maelstrom isn't going to happen....I need alternatives."
You:
"...you do need the vMA Bow"
Me:
Not helpful.
There are alternatives like the Master's Bow or just a set bow. But your DPS isn't going to be too good. I didn't see you had mentioned 30k, btw. Hitting 30k should be easy and you don't need any BiS gear for that at all
I'm being very curious. HOW is 30k easy? 5 Pc hundings, 5 Pc 2 Fang, 2 pc velidreth... 27K - 28K dps is my max. I CANNOT go above that at CP 355.
Your rotation and your weaving are most likely the reason. You're also losing some DPS (about 2-4k) due to not having max CP. Adjust your CP to not have any jump points. Make sure to get all light attacks to land and time well your heavy attacks. Don't lose uptime on DoTs especially Endless Hail and Poison Injection. At this point its just practice.
Thanks.
Thanks to all who have helped. Thanks for not saying, "You suck". I know I can figure it out, but it seems a little more involved than I thought. However, I'm excited t get out there and practice. I talked to Jeckll on Tamriel Foundry and he said drop Dubious and stick everything into stam. So I should have around 34K stam. That is almost 5K difference, which should help, despite losing some recovery from the dubious when I switched to spring rabbit.
I'll keep practicing and I'm sure eventually I'll get there.
You will for sure! If people are doing it, that means you can do it too!
You can check out the rotation I posted a few posts earlier, its what I personally use and its been giving me great results on the PTS. As far as I'm aware, it should still be the same as nothing has changed since the last week of PTS for stamblades.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Oh no! Not this again..."Hitting 30K on a practice dummy is easy, anyone can do it"
While I don't doubt that it can be done, I don't think it's as easy as some of you make it sound. I got into it with some players a couple months ago about this. I challenged anyone to post a build including gear, champion points, and rotations that would get those higher numbers on a practice dummy. Nobody did. One person blew me off to watch a youtube video.
Seriously...if it's SO easy, what's the big secret? If it's SO easy why haven't 10 players shared their builds? I've been playing since Beta. If it was SO easy I would have done it by now through shear dumb luck!
I feel this way, to be honest. And mind you, I've beaten VMoL numerous times. As well as VAA-HM and VSO-HM. I'm doing my absolute best, and I'm barely pushing into the 28k range. This is solo mind you on a PetSorc heavy attack build. Gold Moondancer jewelry (with gold spell damage enchantments), Llambris (Heavy and medium in both infused), Necropotence (all infused), sharpened Moondancer Lightning Staff (with spell damage glyph), and Maelstrom's Inferno Staff (Infused and back bar). In other words, I'm basically running a slight variant of the build @Alcast has on his site for a PetSorc.
Incorporating Elemental Drain myself pushed me into the 27k range, but I can't seem to hit 30k. I'm thinking I should use the Twilight morph that does more damage to targets over 50% HP at this point. And try to squeeze in even more light attacks between bar and skill transitions.
Yeah, I'm hitting 27K with my gear and I can't see how it is "Easy" to be pushing those 30 - 40 K + numbers.
Again, I said it before, most people I know (and whom do trials ad vet trials) do like 20 - 25K dps. Asking for 35K seems absurd. This isn't WoW or FFXIV.
@Azyle1 I was told actually by an ex-GM that the mandatory standard of PetSorcs in a "proper" DPS testing environment is actually 40k minimum. As that's the baseline the top 3 end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA are requiring to be considered trial material. If you're not running pets, it's mandatory that you hit 38k. Even though I'm not trying out for these guilds, I still would like to be on par with them for my personal comfort and reasons. Like I said previously, if I ever get into a situation where I'm invited to do some veteran trials? I want to be able to know personally that my DPS isn't slacking. And that I'm able to keep up with the best of them. You know? I want to be able to join up with folks, and do my job. And not feel like, "Damn, my DPS is horrible." low key.
There's no way people are going to ask for 38-40k minimum in Morrowind for Sorcs.
@IzakiBrotherSs Yup. That's what I was told. The top 3 end-game trial guilds for PS4-NA are requiring MagSorcs to do 38k without pets, and 40k with pets. Minimum. No excuses or anything below. How in the world I'm going to hit 40k, I have no idea. It took me all morning/afternoon (since initially making this thread) to hit 30k DPS. And that was with constant work. Back to back to back practice on end.
I'm curious, however. On PC, is 30k on a MagSorc Pet build considered to be garbage and mediocre? Because I swear dude. I was working my behind off to hit these 30k's consistently.Edited by Ch4mpTW on June 12, 2017 9:49PM0 -
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✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Oh no! Not this again..."Hitting 30K on a practice dummy is easy, anyone can do it"
While I don't doubt that it can be done, I don't think it's as easy as some of you make it sound. I got into it with some players a couple months ago about this. I challenged anyone to post a build including gear, champion points, and rotations that would get those higher numbers on a practice dummy. Nobody did. One person blew me off to watch a youtube video.
Seriously...if it's SO easy, what's the big secret? If it's SO easy why haven't 10 players shared their builds? I've been playing since Beta. If it was SO easy I would have done it by now through shear dumb luck!
I feel this way, to be honest. And mind you, I've beaten VMoL numerous times. As well as VAA-HM and VSO-HM. I'm doing my absolute best, and I'm barely pushing into the 28k range. This is solo mind you on a PetSorc heavy attack build. Gold Moondancer jewelry (with gold spell damage enchantments), Llambris (Heavy and medium in both infused), Necropotence (all infused), sharpened Moondancer Lightning Staff (with spell damage glyph), and Maelstrom's Inferno Staff (Infused and back bar). In other words, I'm basically running a slight variant of the build @Alcast has on his site for a PetSorc.
Incorporating Elemental Drain myself pushed me into the 27k range, but I can't seem to hit 30k. I'm thinking I should use the Twilight morph that does more damage to targets over 50% HP at this point. And try to squeeze in even more light attacks between bar and skill transitions.
Yeah, I'm hitting 27K with my gear and I can't see how it is "Easy" to be pushing those 30 - 40 K + numbers.
Again, I said it before, most people I know (and whom do trials ad vet trials) do like 20 - 25K dps. Asking for 35K seems absurd. This isn't WoW or FFXIV.
@Azyle1 I was told actually by an ex-GM that the mandatory standard of PetSorcs in a "proper" DPS testing environment is actually 40k minimum. As that's the baseline the top 3 end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA are requiring to be considered trial material. If you're not running pets, it's mandatory that you hit 38k. Even though I'm not trying out for these guilds, I still would like to be on par with them for my personal comfort and reasons. Like I said previously, if I ever get into a situation where I'm invited to do some veteran trials? I want to be able to know personally that my DPS isn't slacking. And that I'm able to keep up with the best of them. You know? I want to be able to join up with folks, and do my job. And not feel like, "Damn, my DPS is horrible." low key.
There's no way people are going to ask for 38-40k minimum in Morrowind for Sorcs.
@IzakiBrotherSs Yup. That's what I was told. The top 3 end-game trial guilds for PS4-NA are requiring MagSorcs to do 38k without pets, and 40k with pets. Minimum. No excuses or anything below. How in the world I'm going to hit 40k, I have no idea. It took me all morning/afternoon (since initially making this thread) to hit 30k DPS. And that was with constant work. Back to back to back practice on end.
I'm curious, however. On PC, is 30k on a MagSorc Pet build considered to be garbage and mediocre? Because I swear dude. I was working my behind off to hit these 30k's consistently.
Last patch I would have understood those standards. Since then, Sorcs have taken a considerable hit in terms of DPS numbers. Tell that guy that he's full of ***. Those guys are totally realistic, but in no way they should be considered as "minimum". I'm pretty sure that the highest parsing Sorc I've seen yet was doing 43k with a pet.@ Izaki #PCEU
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Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Oh no! Not this again..."Hitting 30K on a practice dummy is easy, anyone can do it"
While I don't doubt that it can be done, I don't think it's as easy as some of you make it sound. I got into it with some players a couple months ago about this. I challenged anyone to post a build including gear, champion points, and rotations that would get those higher numbers on a practice dummy. Nobody did. One person blew me off to watch a youtube video.
Seriously...if it's SO easy, what's the big secret? If it's SO easy why haven't 10 players shared their builds? I've been playing since Beta. If it was SO easy I would have done it by now through shear dumb luck!
I feel this way, to be honest. And mind you, I've beaten VMoL numerous times. As well as VAA-HM and VSO-HM. I'm doing my absolute best, and I'm barely pushing into the 28k range. This is solo mind you on a PetSorc heavy attack build. Gold Moondancer jewelry (with gold spell damage enchantments), Llambris (Heavy and medium in both infused), Necropotence (all infused), sharpened Moondancer Lightning Staff (with spell damage glyph), and Maelstrom's Inferno Staff (Infused and back bar). In other words, I'm basically running a slight variant of the build @Alcast has on his site for a PetSorc.
Incorporating Elemental Drain myself pushed me into the 27k range, but I can't seem to hit 30k. I'm thinking I should use the Twilight morph that does more damage to targets over 50% HP at this point. And try to squeeze in even more light attacks between bar and skill transitions.
Yeah, I'm hitting 27K with my gear and I can't see how it is "Easy" to be pushing those 30 - 40 K + numbers.
Again, I said it before, most people I know (and whom do trials ad vet trials) do like 20 - 25K dps. Asking for 35K seems absurd. This isn't WoW or FFXIV.
@Azyle1 I was told actually by an ex-GM that the mandatory standard of PetSorcs in a "proper" DPS testing environment is actually 40k minimum. As that's the baseline the top 3 end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA are requiring to be considered trial material. If you're not running pets, it's mandatory that you hit 38k. Even though I'm not trying out for these guilds, I still would like to be on par with them for my personal comfort and reasons. Like I said previously, if I ever get into a situation where I'm invited to do some veteran trials? I want to be able to know personally that my DPS isn't slacking. And that I'm able to keep up with the best of them. You know? I want to be able to join up with folks, and do my job. And not feel like, "Damn, my DPS is horrible." low key.
There's no way people are going to ask for 38-40k minimum in Morrowind for Sorcs.
@IzakiBrotherSs Yup. That's what I was told. The top 3 end-game trial guilds for PS4-NA are requiring MagSorcs to do 38k without pets, and 40k with pets. Minimum. No excuses or anything below. How in the world I'm going to hit 40k, I have no idea. It took me all morning/afternoon (since initially making this thread) to hit 30k DPS. And that was with constant work. Back to back to back practice on end.
I'm curious, however. On PC, is 30k on a MagSorc Pet build considered to be garbage and mediocre? Because I swear dude. I was working my behind off to hit these 30k's consistently.
I'd be thrilled if I could hit 30K today. Gonna keep trying after work until I hit it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Oh no! Not this again..."Hitting 30K on a practice dummy is easy, anyone can do it"
While I don't doubt that it can be done, I don't think it's as easy as some of you make it sound. I got into it with some players a couple months ago about this. I challenged anyone to post a build including gear, champion points, and rotations that would get those higher numbers on a practice dummy. Nobody did. One person blew me off to watch a youtube video.
Seriously...if it's SO easy, what's the big secret? If it's SO easy why haven't 10 players shared their builds? I've been playing since Beta. If it was SO easy I would have done it by now through shear dumb luck!
I feel this way, to be honest. And mind you, I've beaten VMoL numerous times. As well as VAA-HM and VSO-HM. I'm doing my absolute best, and I'm barely pushing into the 28k range. This is solo mind you on a PetSorc heavy attack build. Gold Moondancer jewelry (with gold spell damage enchantments), Llambris (Heavy and medium in both infused), Necropotence (all infused), sharpened Moondancer Lightning Staff (with spell damage glyph), and Maelstrom's Inferno Staff (Infused and back bar). In other words, I'm basically running a slight variant of the build @Alcast has on his site for a PetSorc.
Incorporating Elemental Drain myself pushed me into the 27k range, but I can't seem to hit 30k. I'm thinking I should use the Twilight morph that does more damage to targets over 50% HP at this point. And try to squeeze in even more light attacks between bar and skill transitions.
Yeah, I'm hitting 27K with my gear and I can't see how it is "Easy" to be pushing those 30 - 40 K + numbers.
Again, I said it before, most people I know (and whom do trials ad vet trials) do like 20 - 25K dps. Asking for 35K seems absurd. This isn't WoW or FFXIV.
@Azyle1 I was told actually by an ex-GM that the mandatory standard of PetSorcs in a "proper" DPS testing environment is actually 40k minimum. As that's the baseline the top 3 end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA are requiring to be considered trial material. If you're not running pets, it's mandatory that you hit 38k. Even though I'm not trying out for these guilds, I still would like to be on par with them for my personal comfort and reasons. Like I said previously, if I ever get into a situation where I'm invited to do some veteran trials? I want to be able to know personally that my DPS isn't slacking. And that I'm able to keep up with the best of them. You know? I want to be able to join up with folks, and do my job. And not feel like, "Damn, my DPS is horrible." low key.
There's no way people are going to ask for 38-40k minimum in Morrowind for Sorcs.
@IzakiBrotherSs Yup. That's what I was told. The top 3 end-game trial guilds for PS4-NA are requiring MagSorcs to do 38k without pets, and 40k with pets. Minimum. No excuses or anything below. How in the world I'm going to hit 40k, I have no idea. It took me all morning/afternoon (since initially making this thread) to hit 30k DPS. And that was with constant work. Back to back to back practice on end.
I'm curious, however. On PC, is 30k on a MagSorc Pet build considered to be garbage and mediocre? Because I swear dude. I was working my behind off to hit these 30k's consistently.
I'd be thrilled if I could hit 30K today. Gonna keep trying after work until I hit it.
@Azyle1 I'm just happy I finally hit 30k. I'm satisfied, but not satisfied (the Altmer in me lol). I want to hit that 40k, but I'm at ease now that a goal was met for the day/week. I originally was aiming to hit 30k by the end of the week, but managed to do it in only a few hours of hard work. So a reward is in order in the form of farming and questing. Gotta treat yourself when you do good.
IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Oh no! Not this again..."Hitting 30K on a practice dummy is easy, anyone can do it"
While I don't doubt that it can be done, I don't think it's as easy as some of you make it sound. I got into it with some players a couple months ago about this. I challenged anyone to post a build including gear, champion points, and rotations that would get those higher numbers on a practice dummy. Nobody did. One person blew me off to watch a youtube video.
Seriously...if it's SO easy, what's the big secret? If it's SO easy why haven't 10 players shared their builds? I've been playing since Beta. If it was SO easy I would have done it by now through shear dumb luck!
I feel this way, to be honest. And mind you, I've beaten VMoL numerous times. As well as VAA-HM and VSO-HM. I'm doing my absolute best, and I'm barely pushing into the 28k range. This is solo mind you on a PetSorc heavy attack build. Gold Moondancer jewelry (with gold spell damage enchantments), Llambris (Heavy and medium in both infused), Necropotence (all infused), sharpened Moondancer Lightning Staff (with spell damage glyph), and Maelstrom's Inferno Staff (Infused and back bar). In other words, I'm basically running a slight variant of the build @Alcast has on his site for a PetSorc.
Incorporating Elemental Drain myself pushed me into the 27k range, but I can't seem to hit 30k. I'm thinking I should use the Twilight morph that does more damage to targets over 50% HP at this point. And try to squeeze in even more light attacks between bar and skill transitions.
Yeah, I'm hitting 27K with my gear and I can't see how it is "Easy" to be pushing those 30 - 40 K + numbers.
Again, I said it before, most people I know (and whom do trials ad vet trials) do like 20 - 25K dps. Asking for 35K seems absurd. This isn't WoW or FFXIV.
@Azyle1 I was told actually by an ex-GM that the mandatory standard of PetSorcs in a "proper" DPS testing environment is actually 40k minimum. As that's the baseline the top 3 end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA are requiring to be considered trial material. If you're not running pets, it's mandatory that you hit 38k. Even though I'm not trying out for these guilds, I still would like to be on par with them for my personal comfort and reasons. Like I said previously, if I ever get into a situation where I'm invited to do some veteran trials? I want to be able to know personally that my DPS isn't slacking. And that I'm able to keep up with the best of them. You know? I want to be able to join up with folks, and do my job. And not feel like, "Damn, my DPS is horrible." low key.
There's no way people are going to ask for 38-40k minimum in Morrowind for Sorcs.
@IzakiBrotherSs Yup. That's what I was told. The top 3 end-game trial guilds for PS4-NA are requiring MagSorcs to do 38k without pets, and 40k with pets. Minimum. No excuses or anything below. How in the world I'm going to hit 40k, I have no idea. It took me all morning/afternoon (since initially making this thread) to hit 30k DPS. And that was with constant work. Back to back to back practice on end.
I'm curious, however. On PC, is 30k on a MagSorc Pet build considered to be garbage and mediocre? Because I swear dude. I was working my behind off to hit these 30k's consistently.
Last patch I would have understood those standards. Since then, Sorcs have taken a considerable hit in terms of DPS numbers. Tell that guy that he's full of ***. Those guys are totally realistic, but in no way they should be considered as "minimum". I'm pretty sure that the highest parsing Sorc I've seen yet was doing 43k with a pet.
@IzakiBrotherSs That's what I was saying to myself in my head as they were telling me all of this. Also, why is it considered "cheating" or "inaccurate" if you use a lightning staff on your back bar? Where did that come from? What are the origins of lightning staves not giving accurate data upon testing if placed on the back bar? Or was that bs too?0 -
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On PetSorc no, sorry, it's only in the range of "quite decent". If you're maxed out, of course. PetSorc 630CP full Necro still hits almost 40k. 35k+ easily.I'm curious, however. On PC, is 30k on a MagSorc Pet build considered to be garbage and mediocre? Because I swear dude. I was working my behind off to hit these 30k's consistently.
30k is good for non-pet. Meta isn't quite settled for those. There is Alcast's Mystic build, but... well. It's quite good, but definitely not the only way. And it still remains the question whether it's the best way. You most probably do want to farm Netch's Touch for non-pet, that's for sure. But the rotation is still the work in progress. And for now hitting 35k on non-pet sorc... well, have to think on that.
But pet build is pretty straightforward and nothing changed much. Well, you now get rid of Force Pulse + Frags and put Bound Aegis instead. And HA instead of "FP + Frags" combo. It's even easier now
And still 35k+, close to 40k.
English isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.0