caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Ilpagliaccio wrote: »

olivesforge wrote: »

Ultimately, if you've got officers from Venatus, Vehemence, KHole, CoH and DD all on here agreeing about something... you're doing something titanically, profoundly and impressively wrong. This is something to consider. "A cada necio agrada su porrada."

I'm not a fan of Iskra whatsoever, but I'm also not a fan of appeals to authority when the alleged authority figures aren't reliable in the slightest. Let's go through each of these guilds and address why they're neither authorities on good strat nor good judges of character--both issues being brought up in Dom Dom's rebuttal to Iskra(if your point was intended to be something else, we can touch on that later). We'll start the discussion with the strongest guilds first then leaving the weakest for last.

K Hole: While they're the strongest guild listed both in terms of average player skill and map strat, albeit they've made some serious blunders(failed Ales mine farms while Glade gets backcapped,anyone?), K Hole guild leadership has no legs to stand on when it comes to calling out Iskra's behavior. Although Iskra seems toxic to the extreme, I have not seen screenshots of him raging at female players who killed him, calling them misogynistic slurs,etc,unlike a K Hole member has. Yes, a certain K Hole member behaves thus(and their leadership is well aware of the behavior), but they have the audacity to talk about in-game etiquette...what? Do I need to extrapolate why an appeal to K Hole leadership on the topic of in-game etiquette is daft at best? Someone send me a screenshot of Iskra going on a misogynistic tirade towards a female just because they got killed in a game, then I'll listen to K Hole pontificating about good in-game behavior. If this example of poor behavior isn't enough, I could dedicate a whole thread to how K Hole leadership doesn't police their own members whatsoever, so kindly leave that guild out of any appeals to authority regarding in-game etiquette, thanks.

Venatus: Do they do anything but Xv1 bird spam now that Clone doesnt play anymore? Why would anyone cite their opinion as credible for map strat or in-game etiquette? Nothing but love for Venatus/Igni Ferroque, but LOL at using them as an authority for either map strat or in-game etiquette atm.

Dom Dom: Although they've wiped equal numbers of VE on numerous occasions, their leadership's opinion on map strat or in-game etiquette is... uh who cares about Dom Dom? We're talking about the guys who think stacking group sizes bigger than PM while it's 4 am ET on a weekday is good map strat. The same people who get backcapped, but yet they have members like Aerilon "Would Wear Gunnars To His Own Mother's Funeral" Starstrider teabag Xylena after an Xv1. Dw, I 3 shot him in the middle of the dom dom blob and counter bagged. But seriously, with rat fink behavior like that, Dom Dom has no place to talk about in-game etiquette. Who the hell unironically teabags Xv1? Dom Dom that's who o.O

VE: You lose any argument about in-game etiquette or map strat when you invoke the name of VE,VE raid 2(Fantasia),et al. We're talking about the guild that ensured they had a nightcap presence on whichever faction they swapped to for "balance",while ruining server balance by displacing said guilds from the faction that needed them, and all of that in the name of winning campaigns after all the competitive guilds quit. The same guild that would have 10 people to defend Sej during Wabba 1 while lambasting other guild groups of similar numbers for being zergs--yes, the guilds with similar numbers but could push the map were zergs. The same guild that's trying to pretend they havent tried to win campaigns in years just because they started losing, like what? VE is a guild that's an easy joke in any of the factions' zone chat,e.g., "Which guild has wiped to equal numbers of Dom Dom and are known as blatant hypocrites to the pvp regulars in each faction?".

CoH: isn't that the AD group that brings a full raid to empty resources? I'm not even joking when I say that Iskra would be a more effective raid lead than whoever is calling the shots for that mess. Hell, Donnybrooks had better map sense than to take a full raid to take empty resources. These guys? Not so much

TL;DR those in glass houses shouldn't try to dogpile individuals when they're guilty of said behavior too. I don't like Iskra either, but don't come polluting forums with drivel, thanks

I didn't bring my guild into any of the etiquette discussion, it was a person to person statement to Iskra. If I supply you with a series of derogatory messages that Iskra has sent, does that absolve my guild from your opinion on the matter and will you redact your statement? Or will you continue to down play and honest sentiment I had toward another player, not a guild based determination, in game about their actions came their plea against "demoralization." Feel free to whisper me in game or pm me the information about the maligned behavior and who the aggressor was and I will gladly deal with the situation personally.

-Rhage

Ilpagliaccio wrote: »

He was talking to me, you potato