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You have no right to demoralize
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Juli'St✭✭✭✭You do not have the right to demoralize a faction because you have extreme, absurd advantage in numbers.
Once a very old player told me - he was one of the first to start the game and PvP, the first Emperor: 'Never take enemy scrolls if you have a lot of advantage, because that discourages people from playing Cyrodiil, demoralizes the opponent'.I think he, Crown, was right to tell me that. It is very bad, as AD player, to see a spectacle about a terrible PvP, based on the 'joking and demoralization' of the opponent. Unfortunately, as I see it, ESO is dying on Cyrodiil and not because of an expansion, but for a type of PvP that does not help at all, it does not encourage players to play.
This opinion is shared by many, including EP / DC. I hope this changes.
http://imgur.com/a/rkhAW
Agreed. I've tried to zone chat D.C. out of taking home scrolls cause there's really not much point to it and it just promotes zergs taking them back. Not to mention we then lose the whole map because most of our force is busy trying to capture an ep home scroll. So dumb. But cyrodiil is a dumb place full of salt, exploits and sheep. It's mostly why I never group up and run either solo or with one friend and try to do or assist with the things that actually need to be done to win the campaign. Of course thanks to no faction account lock there's very little loyalty and not many actually care to play a campaign as it is intended to be played. Most would rather hit chalman and Roebeck incessantly to the point of campaign loss than do anything constructive.
Last campaign, if i remmember, a friend DC take scroll AD to me. He help us. Of corse, one day i help DC to push Arrius (i flag Farragut). We can play well, i think. I really dont like push Glade/Arrius. Why? Cause we can make a good fight's near outpots and, serious, is on outpost the place where we make more AP.Edited by Juli'St on June 10, 2017 4:57AM0 -
Juli'St✭✭✭✭olivesforge wrote: »'Great pvp' is not what we are reading in AD zone chat, on the contrary, many agreeing with me. On your 'pvp lessons', save them for yourself.
Nobody agrees with you, Iskra - to the contrary, you've become a running joke. The only thing that you are effective at doing is getting AD to switch to their DC and EP alts so they can farm you all night. Which is good fun.
And that's not a personal attack, it's straight up tactics. You are helping DC and EP far more than anyone else. For example,FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »So the way these AD players think and behave. Now do yall ever wonder why they have troubles retaining numbers. They create more internal enemies then they do external enemies. Then get salty when those they have or tried to abuse leave them and farm them for pay back.
Payback is a what? Payback is a what? Yeah that's what I thought? Either shape up or ship out. No one wants play with a bunch of *** talking down on them the whole time just because they are new or isn't well known.
By the way it was much fun killing yall between the bridge and Sej, on my new build.
Or maybe...caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »Iskra.. you really shouldn't comment about demoralizing and other items in "bad taste" when you go around calling everyone names and accusing them of cheating just because your 7th destructive reach didn't CC the opponent with an immov pot up. The weirdest thing is, I've spoken to you calming on 3 separate occasions and we had a pleasant conversation and even exchanged positive tidings as we went our owns ways in a war. And I still get messages from you about this stuff. Your continued ignorant proliferations do you zero justice in your assertions for battlefield etiquette. Which is why you find yourself on my in game ignoer list. So with all due respect, seriously, dial it down man... everyone just thinks of you as a running joke at this point, and for the betterment of your psyche, breathe and count to dez, before you let your fingers fly.
-Rhage
Lionpride is catching on something I noticed here, which is that sometimes you're spamming zone chat, but other times we have good conversations. Almost as if there's more than one of you. Curious.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Marrowind just officially launched the other day and some PVP players left . No one can guess how long it will take for AD's PVP population to return from PVE or hiatus . This is why guilds don't like switching sides during these times to make balance and don't care if they run the map . The population may balance out next week or next month so making rash decisions is bad right now . Those factions will obviously take advantage of the situation to boost score . You may need to move to the no cp campaign were AD has a presence . Demanding factions play your way is just going to result in nothing .
This is the last time I'm going to bother to tell you because all you do is report people for misinterpreted posts [snip] when people try to help . You are not helping AD with these threads . You only help when you get in game and fight . I'm done .
And Rohamad is quite right here - AD, for some reason, always seems to suffer the most when there's PvE/leveling to be had. In any event, every faction is dealing with a numbers issue for the next little while as the Morrowind impact settles down. As far as DD is concerned, we're barely running because we're farming... certain.... things and can't really be bothered right now. But that will change. Patience.
Ultimately, if you've got officers from Venatus, Vehemence, KHole, CoH and DD all on here agreeing about something... you're doing something titanically, profoundly and impressively wrong. This is something to consider. "A cada necio agrada su porrada."
I really have 'fan's'. Envy is so bad...
Edited by Juli'St on June 10, 2017 5:03AM1 -
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I dont know about who use it, but this exploit is when 1 guy from faction A form a group with people of faction B. The faction B lose space in balance queue.0 -
DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You speak of demoralization, yet you will run after two players duoing with an entire pack of 20+ AD spamming flame reach without a second thought. That's fine, you can do that, but don't complain when your faction gets bested during an objective and call it demoralization.
Also, that scroll you're saying got tossed in the lava, an AD guild leader actually did that thinking we couldn't get it back from them. But we did
It's a game, man, chill for a bit and just enjoy the potato things that happen
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Juli'St✭✭✭✭DisgracefulMind wrote: »You speak of demoralization, yet you will run after two players duoing with an entire pack of 20+ AD spamming flame reach without a second thought. That's fine, you can do that, but don't complain when your faction gets bested during an objective and call it demoralization.
Also, that scroll you're saying got tossed in the lava, an AD guild leader actually did that thinking we couldn't get it back from them. But we did
It's a game, man, chill for a bit and just enjoy the potato things that happen
Yes, read my secound post here, i talk about that scroll.
(about zerg groups... When I see a player being attacked by many, I do not get involved. But there are situations where it is impossible not to be in a group. On the bridge, for example).
Do not look at the word 'demoralisation' as something 'pejorative'. Here I am talking about to discourage some players. It is in that sense (way).Edited by Juli'St on June 10, 2017 5:59AM0 -
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✭Ad is gonna have to learn to stand on their own 2 feet now that dc is no longer protecting them3 -
Telel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ad is gonna have to learn to fight 7 bars of population with just 2 now that dc is no longer willing to even defend their scroll keeps when faced by the guys in first place, and who actually have equal or better numbers to the blue boys
Telel went and fixed that for you. Again, no thanks are required for their aid.
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Past times: Refusing to go full magika spec, hitting things with a big hammer, sniping, and speaking in khajiit
Also: Gelel the Derp Knight, Altsel the streaker, and Filafel the temp temp.
Khajiit has a twitch stream! https://twitch.tv/telel_khajiit feel free to come see how truly unskilled Telel is.3 -
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✭✭✭✭AD chat sounds fun. I think next time I feel like watching EastEnders I'll gear up my old AD NB and see what's going on in/zone
Saying that, though, I do agree with what I think the poster is trying to convey. Destroying a factions morale is bad. It stops people from playing, makes b them log out, and if it happens too often, stops them from logging back in. It can only ever be bad for the overall health of PVP.
But it IS ironic that it's AD complaining about this, when that is the faction who have totally and absolutely destroyed morale in every other faction outside of prime time with their pvdoor antics and 20v4 zergs as soon as another faction gets 4 people together..
I mean unless something has changed very recently AD are still ahead arnt they? That even destroys a kind of morale during primetime.. Because it makes no difference what the primetime players do, AD still win the campaign. All that leave is playing for kills.. And many people prefer killing AD for creating this situation.
But it isn't even that there is a 'purple alliance' because there isn't. There is ALWAYS a significant amount of combat between Ales and Chal.. Unfortunately the AD primetime population is so bad, that DC seems able to pressure them while also fending off EP. And as soon as EP even looks sourh, they crumble.
It seems to have been this way since ZS switched faction.. But the morning cap has been going on for years. AD destroying morale for years, making it pointless to play for campaign score. For years.
Reap what you sow, and just be glad you're not constantly base-camped like the other factions are (were?) during large parts of the day.
Minalan owes me a beer.
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Malveria✭✭✭✭AD chat sounds fun. I think next time I feel like watching EastEnders I'll gear up my old AD NB and see what's going on in/zone
This is NA PC AD and no, they are not ahead.
Can we please just get Iskra banned again?
The fact that they were banned once and are just committing the same offences all over again should be enough to warrant it.Edited by Malveria on June 10, 2017 9:07AMVenatus7 -
IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Coming from the guy who calls his faction names. Seems legit. Goes on days and days about the faction deserving to lose and then say he speaks 4 languages (last was 6). I find this kind of thread from him entertaining in the most ironic way.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel3 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If your group wasn't capable of touching my scroll, ran by a group of 7 players (and at times, the EP zerg of course)
And that's why open world PvP is in its sad state in a nutshell. Everyone's small scaling with 50 people behind.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
barshemm✭✭✭✭I'd take this post more seriously is AD didn't keep running up and taking Bruma and Dragonclaw when they don't even have their own home keeps.
We did actually try to return your scroll to you yesterday after we snagged it from KC. EP jumping into the river with it to avoid losing it was the cheapest thing ever. That's just plain unsportsmanlike.1 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
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Use a mixed faction group glitch, so you can bypass the 90 person queue wait, ignore the faction pop cap, and sneak in more full EP raids to roll the map?
I'm sorry, I guess that bug doesn't exist. EP is rolling emp with three pop capped factions prime time because they're SO good. Nevermind the 7-8 raids running around everywhere.
Edited by Minalan on June 10, 2017 4:43PM0 -
Ilpagliaccio✭✭✭olivesforge wrote: »
Ultimately, if you've got officers from Venatus, Vehemence, KHole, CoH and DD all on here agreeing about something... you're doing something titanically, profoundly and impressively wrong. This is something to consider. "A cada necio agrada su porrada."
I'm not a fan of Iskra whatsoever, but I'm also not a fan of appeals to authority when the alleged authority figures aren't reliable in the slightest. Let's go through each of these guilds and address why they're neither authorities on good strat nor good judges of character--both issues being brought up in Dom Dom's rebuttal to Iskra(if your point was intended to be something else, we can touch on that later). We'll start the discussion with the strongest guilds first then leaving the weakest for last.
K Hole: While they're the strongest guild listed both in terms of average player skill and map strat, albeit they've made some serious blunders(failed Ales mine farms while Glade gets backcapped,anyone?), K Hole guild leadership has no legs to stand on when it comes to calling out Iskra's behavior. Although Iskra seems toxic to the extreme, I have not seen screenshots of him raging at female players who killed him, calling them misogynistic slurs,etc,unlike a K Hole member has. Yes, a certain K Hole member behaves thus(and their leadership is well aware of the behavior), but they have the audacity to talk about in-game etiquette...what? Do I need to extrapolate why an appeal to K Hole leadership on the topic of in-game etiquette is daft at best? Someone send me a screenshot of Iskra going on a misogynistic tirade towards a female just because they got killed in a game, then I'll listen to K Hole pontificating about good in-game behavior. If this example of poor behavior isn't enough, I could dedicate a whole thread to how K Hole leadership doesn't police their own members whatsoever, so kindly leave that guild out of any appeals to authority regarding in-game etiquette, thanks.
Venatus: Do they do anything but Xv1 bird spam now that Clone doesnt play anymore? Why would anyone cite their opinion as credible for map strat or in-game etiquette? Nothing but love for Venatus/Igni Ferroque, but LOL at using them as an authority for either map strat or in-game etiquette atm.
Dom Dom: Although they've wiped equal numbers of VE on numerous occasions, their leadership's opinion on map strat or in-game etiquette is... uh who cares about Dom Dom? We're talking about the guys who think stacking group sizes bigger than PM while it's 4 am ET on a weekday is good map strat. The same people who get backcapped, but yet they have members like Aerilon "Would Wear Gunnars To His Own Mother's Funeral" Starstrider teabag Xylena after an Xv1. Dw, I 3 shot him in the middle of the dom dom blob and counter bagged. But seriously, with rat fink behavior like that, Dom Dom has no place to talk about in-game etiquette. Who the hell unironically teabags Xv1? Dom Dom that's who o.O
VE: You lose any argument about in-game etiquette or map strat when you invoke the name of VE,VE raid 2(Fantasia),et al. We're talking about the guild that ensured they had a nightcap presence on whichever faction they swapped to for "balance",while ruining server balance by displacing said guilds from the faction that needed them, and all of that in the name of winning campaigns after all the competitive guilds quit. The same guild that would have 10 people to defend Sej during Wabba 1 while lambasting other guild groups of similar numbers for being zergs--yes, the guilds with similar numbers but could push the map were zergs. The same guild that's trying to pretend they havent tried to win campaigns in years just because they started losing, like what? VE is a guild that's an easy joke in any of the factions' zone chat,e.g., "Which guild has wiped to equal numbers of Dom Dom and are known as blatant hypocrites to the pvp regulars in each faction?".
CoH: isn't that the AD group that brings a full raid to empty resources? I'm not even joking when I say that Iskra would be a more effective raid lead than whoever is calling the shots for that mess. Hell, Donnybrooks had better map sense than to take a full raid to take empty resources. These guys? Not so much
TL;DR those in glass houses shouldn't try to dogpile individuals when they're guilty of said behavior too. I don't like Iskra either, but don't come polluting forums with drivel, thanks2 -
Delphinia✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »So the way these AD players think and behave. Now do yall ever wonder why they have troubles retaining numbers. They create more internal enemies then they do external enemies. Then get salty when those they have or tried to abuse leave them and farm them for pay back.
Payback is a what? Payback is a what? Yeah that's what I thought? Either shape up or ship out. No one wants play with a bunch of *** talking down on them the whole time just because they are new or isn't well known.
How many divisions of guilds have AD endured over this very same reason? I personally remember then one at the end of 2014 and the one in the middle of 2015. Damn guys it is sad to see you all have still not learn yalls lesson. And now yall want to try to force people to not be able to PvP and try to take the make believe high road. Over stupidity yall started yalls selves.
By the way it was much fun killing yall between the bridge and Sej, on my new build.
I agree, no one would want to play with people talking down to them for any reason. Absolutely. Please keep in mind, however, that there are quite a few AD who do not do this and would appreciate not being unfairly "lumped" into the old grudges of people who have still chips on their shoulders. Some of us just want fair fights and welcome new and old players to fight along with us.1 -
Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭You should be as dominant as you can, and aim to force the other players to quit the game bc they will never be as good as you.1 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ad is gonna have to learn to fight 7 bars of population with just 2 now that dc is no longer willing to even defend their scroll keeps when faced by the guys in first place, and who actually have equal or better numbers to the blue boys
Telel went and fixed that for you. Again, no thanks are required for their aid.
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stealthyevil✭✭✭Ilpagliaccio wrote: »Venatus: Do they do anything but Xv1 bird spam now that Clone doesnt play anymore? Why would anyone cite their opinion as credible for map strat or in-game etiquette? Nothing but love for Venatus/Igni Ferroque, but LOL at using them as an authority for either map strat or in-game etiquette atm.
Sorry, I tried to slot my other abilities but this keeps happening every time
Edited by stealthyevil on June 10, 2017 6:27PM3 -
caeliusstarbreaker✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ilpagliaccio wrote: »olivesforge wrote: »
Ultimately, if you've got officers from Venatus, Vehemence, KHole, CoH and DD all on here agreeing about something... you're doing something titanically, profoundly and impressively wrong. This is something to consider. "A cada necio agrada su porrada."
I'm not a fan of Iskra whatsoever, but I'm also not a fan of appeals to authority when the alleged authority figures aren't reliable in the slightest. Let's go through each of these guilds and address why they're neither authorities on good strat nor good judges of character--both issues being brought up in Dom Dom's rebuttal to Iskra(if your point was intended to be something else, we can touch on that later). We'll start the discussion with the strongest guilds first then leaving the weakest for last.
K Hole: While they're the strongest guild listed both in terms of average player skill and map strat, albeit they've made some serious blunders(failed Ales mine farms while Glade gets backcapped,anyone?), K Hole guild leadership has no legs to stand on when it comes to calling out Iskra's behavior. Although Iskra seems toxic to the extreme, I have not seen screenshots of him raging at female players who killed him, calling them misogynistic slurs,etc,unlike a K Hole member has. Yes, a certain K Hole member behaves thus(and their leadership is well aware of the behavior), but they have the audacity to talk about in-game etiquette...what? Do I need to extrapolate why an appeal to K Hole leadership on the topic of in-game etiquette is daft at best? Someone send me a screenshot of Iskra going on a misogynistic tirade towards a female just because they got killed in a game, then I'll listen to K Hole pontificating about good in-game behavior. If this example of poor behavior isn't enough, I could dedicate a whole thread to how K Hole leadership doesn't police their own members whatsoever, so kindly leave that guild out of any appeals to authority regarding in-game etiquette, thanks.
Venatus: Do they do anything but Xv1 bird spam now that Clone doesnt play anymore? Why would anyone cite their opinion as credible for map strat or in-game etiquette? Nothing but love for Venatus/Igni Ferroque, but LOL at using them as an authority for either map strat or in-game etiquette atm.
Dom Dom: Although they've wiped equal numbers of VE on numerous occasions, their leadership's opinion on map strat or in-game etiquette is... uh who cares about Dom Dom? We're talking about the guys who think stacking group sizes bigger than PM while it's 4 am ET on a weekday is good map strat. The same people who get backcapped, but yet they have members like Aerilon "Would Wear Gunnars To His Own Mother's Funeral" Starstrider teabag Xylena after an Xv1. Dw, I 3 shot him in the middle of the dom dom blob and counter bagged. But seriously, with rat fink behavior like that, Dom Dom has no place to talk about in-game etiquette. Who the hell unironically teabags Xv1? Dom Dom that's who o.O
VE: You lose any argument about in-game etiquette or map strat when you invoke the name of VE,VE raid 2(Fantasia),et al. We're talking about the guild that ensured they had a nightcap presence on whichever faction they swapped to for "balance",while ruining server balance by displacing said guilds from the faction that needed them, and all of that in the name of winning campaigns after all the competitive guilds quit. The same guild that would have 10 people to defend Sej during Wabba 1 while lambasting other guild groups of similar numbers for being zergs--yes, the guilds with similar numbers but could push the map were zergs. The same guild that's trying to pretend they havent tried to win campaigns in years just because they started losing, like what? VE is a guild that's an easy joke in any of the factions' zone chat,e.g., "Which guild has wiped to equal numbers of Dom Dom and are known as blatant hypocrites to the pvp regulars in each faction?".
CoH: isn't that the AD group that brings a full raid to empty resources? I'm not even joking when I say that Iskra would be a more effective raid lead than whoever is calling the shots for that mess. Hell, Donnybrooks had better map sense than to take a full raid to take empty resources. These guys? Not so much
TL;DR those in glass houses shouldn't try to dogpile individuals when they're guilty of said behavior too. I don't like Iskra either, but don't come polluting forums with drivel, thanks
I didn't bring my guild into any of the etiquette discussion, it was a person to person statement to Iskra. If I supply you with a series of derogatory messages that Iskra has sent, does that absolve my guild from your opinion on the matter and will you redact your statement? Or will you continue to down play and honest sentiment I had toward another player, not a guild based determination, in game about their actions came their plea against "demoralization." Feel free to whisper me in game or pm me the information about the maligned behavior and who the aggressor was and I will gladly deal with the situation personally.
-RhageRhage Lionpride DC Stamina Templar
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Ilpagliaccio✭✭✭stealthyevil wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »Venatus: Do they do anything but Xv1 bird spam now that Clone doesnt play anymore? Why would anyone cite their opinion as credible for map strat or in-game etiquette? Nothing but love for Venatus/Igni Ferroque, but LOL at using them as an authority for either map strat or in-game etiquette atm.
Sorry, I tried to slot my other abilities but this keeps happening every time
You dont have it in your ult slot too? Rookie bird spam, gotta bump it up0 -
Ilpagliaccio✭✭✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »olivesforge wrote: »
Ultimately, if you've got officers from Venatus, Vehemence, KHole, CoH and DD all on here agreeing about something... you're doing something titanically, profoundly and impressively wrong. This is something to consider. "A cada necio agrada su porrada."
I'm not a fan of Iskra whatsoever, but I'm also not a fan of appeals to authority when the alleged authority figures aren't reliable in the slightest. Let's go through each of these guilds and address why they're neither authorities on good strat nor good judges of character--both issues being brought up in Dom Dom's rebuttal to Iskra(if your point was intended to be something else, we can touch on that later). We'll start the discussion with the strongest guilds first then leaving the weakest for last.
K Hole: While they're the strongest guild listed both in terms of average player skill and map strat, albeit they've made some serious blunders(failed Ales mine farms while Glade gets backcapped,anyone?), K Hole guild leadership has no legs to stand on when it comes to calling out Iskra's behavior. Although Iskra seems toxic to the extreme, I have not seen screenshots of him raging at female players who killed him, calling them misogynistic slurs,etc,unlike a K Hole member has. Yes, a certain K Hole member behaves thus(and their leadership is well aware of the behavior), but they have the audacity to talk about in-game etiquette...what? Do I need to extrapolate why an appeal to K Hole leadership on the topic of in-game etiquette is daft at best? Someone send me a screenshot of Iskra going on a misogynistic tirade towards a female just because they got killed in a game, then I'll listen to K Hole pontificating about good in-game behavior. If this example of poor behavior isn't enough, I could dedicate a whole thread to how K Hole leadership doesn't police their own members whatsoever, so kindly leave that guild out of any appeals to authority regarding in-game etiquette, thanks.
Venatus: Do they do anything but Xv1 bird spam now that Clone doesnt play anymore? Why would anyone cite their opinion as credible for map strat or in-game etiquette? Nothing but love for Venatus/Igni Ferroque, but LOL at using them as an authority for either map strat or in-game etiquette atm.
Dom Dom: Although they've wiped equal numbers of VE on numerous occasions, their leadership's opinion on map strat or in-game etiquette is... uh who cares about Dom Dom? We're talking about the guys who think stacking group sizes bigger than PM while it's 4 am ET on a weekday is good map strat. The same people who get backcapped, but yet they have members like Aerilon "Would Wear Gunnars To His Own Mother's Funeral" Starstrider teabag Xylena after an Xv1. Dw, I 3 shot him in the middle of the dom dom blob and counter bagged. But seriously, with rat fink behavior like that, Dom Dom has no place to talk about in-game etiquette. Who the hell unironically teabags Xv1? Dom Dom that's who o.O
VE: You lose any argument about in-game etiquette or map strat when you invoke the name of VE,VE raid 2(Fantasia),et al. We're talking about the guild that ensured they had a nightcap presence on whichever faction they swapped to for "balance",while ruining server balance by displacing said guilds from the faction that needed them, and all of that in the name of winning campaigns after all the competitive guilds quit. The same guild that would have 10 people to defend Sej during Wabba 1 while lambasting other guild groups of similar numbers for being zergs--yes, the guilds with similar numbers but could push the map were zergs. The same guild that's trying to pretend they havent tried to win campaigns in years just because they started losing, like what? VE is a guild that's an easy joke in any of the factions' zone chat,e.g., "Which guild has wiped to equal numbers of Dom Dom and are known as blatant hypocrites to the pvp regulars in each faction?".
CoH: isn't that the AD group that brings a full raid to empty resources? I'm not even joking when I say that Iskra would be a more effective raid lead than whoever is calling the shots for that mess. Hell, Donnybrooks had better map sense than to take a full raid to take empty resources. These guys? Not so much
TL;DR those in glass houses shouldn't try to dogpile individuals when they're guilty of said behavior too. I don't like Iskra either, but don't come polluting forums with drivel, thanks
I didn't bring my guild into any of the etiquette discussion, it was a person to person statement to Iskra. If I supply you with a series of derogatory messages that Iskra has sent, does that absolve my guild from your opinion on the matter and will you redact your statement? Or will you continue to down play and honest sentiment I had toward another player, not a guild based determination, in game about their actions came their plea against "demoralization." Feel free to whisper me in game or pm me the information about the maligned behavior and who the aggressor was and I will gladly deal with the situation personally.
-Rhage
Dom Dom brought you into it, yes, I know. PM sent with details for you to do your own follow up.0 -
Eyesinthedrk✭✭✭✭✭I agree with the general message from the op. Once we (red) have emp and scrolls I won't push past the ring. When one alliance has the other two gatted, the other two will give maybe two or three attempts to take a home keep back. If they fail they go somewhere else. And the server dies. That's the players willing to try. Most see the map and don't even bother.
Let them have their three home keeps and they are likely to try a little harder. A mixed map is always more fun.0 -
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Hahahaha No one cares .
@Elong Exactly . An majority of AD that I see just get down to business when they log in and see the map needs work . I had great fun last night dethroning and defending from DC . We are too far behind to catch up but maybe next campaign we will have more people and get stronger .2 -
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✭Ilpagliaccio wrote: »caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »Ilpagliaccio wrote: »olivesforge wrote: »
Ultimately, if you've got officers from Venatus, Vehemence, KHole, CoH and DD all on here agreeing about something... you're doing something titanically, profoundly and impressively wrong. This is something to consider. "A cada necio agrada su porrada."
I'm not a fan of Iskra whatsoever, but I'm also not a fan of appeals to authority when the alleged authority figures aren't reliable in the slightest. Let's go through each of these guilds and address why they're neither authorities on good strat nor good judges of character--both issues being brought up in Dom Dom's rebuttal to Iskra(if your point was intended to be something else, we can touch on that later). We'll start the discussion with the strongest guilds first then leaving the weakest for last.
K Hole: While they're the strongest guild listed both in terms of average player skill and map strat, albeit they've made some serious blunders(failed Ales mine farms while Glade gets backcapped,anyone?), K Hole guild leadership has no legs to stand on when it comes to calling out Iskra's behavior. Although Iskra seems toxic to the extreme, I have not seen screenshots of him raging at female players who killed him, calling them misogynistic slurs,etc,unlike a K Hole member has. Yes, a certain K Hole member behaves thus(and their leadership is well aware of the behavior), but they have the audacity to talk about in-game etiquette...what? Do I need to extrapolate why an appeal to K Hole leadership on the topic of in-game etiquette is daft at best? Someone send me a screenshot of Iskra going on a misogynistic tirade towards a female just because they got killed in a game, then I'll listen to K Hole pontificating about good in-game behavior. If this example of poor behavior isn't enough, I could dedicate a whole thread to how K Hole leadership doesn't police their own members whatsoever, so kindly leave that guild out of any appeals to authority regarding in-game etiquette, thanks.
Venatus: Do they do anything but Xv1 bird spam now that Clone doesnt play anymore? Why would anyone cite their opinion as credible for map strat or in-game etiquette? Nothing but love for Venatus/Igni Ferroque, but LOL at using them as an authority for either map strat or in-game etiquette atm.
Dom Dom: Although they've wiped equal numbers of VE on numerous occasions, their leadership's opinion on map strat or in-game etiquette is... uh who cares about Dom Dom? We're talking about the guys who think stacking group sizes bigger than PM while it's 4 am ET on a weekday is good map strat. The same people who get backcapped, but yet they have members like Aerilon "Would Wear Gunnars To His Own Mother's Funeral" Starstrider teabag Xylena after an Xv1. Dw, I 3 shot him in the middle of the dom dom blob and counter bagged. But seriously, with rat fink behavior like that, Dom Dom has no place to talk about in-game etiquette. Who the hell unironically teabags Xv1? Dom Dom that's who o.O
VE: You lose any argument about in-game etiquette or map strat when you invoke the name of VE,VE raid 2(Fantasia),et al. We're talking about the guild that ensured they had a nightcap presence on whichever faction they swapped to for "balance",while ruining server balance by displacing said guilds from the faction that needed them, and all of that in the name of winning campaigns after all the competitive guilds quit. The same guild that would have 10 people to defend Sej during Wabba 1 while lambasting other guild groups of similar numbers for being zergs--yes, the guilds with similar numbers but could push the map were zergs. The same guild that's trying to pretend they havent tried to win campaigns in years just because they started losing, like what? VE is a guild that's an easy joke in any of the factions' zone chat,e.g., "Which guild has wiped to equal numbers of Dom Dom and are known as blatant hypocrites to the pvp regulars in each faction?".
CoH: isn't that the AD group that brings a full raid to empty resources? I'm not even joking when I say that Iskra would be a more effective raid lead than whoever is calling the shots for that mess. Hell, Donnybrooks had better map sense than to take a full raid to take empty resources. These guys? Not so much
TL;DR those in glass houses shouldn't try to dogpile individuals when they're guilty of said behavior too. I don't like Iskra either, but don't come polluting forums with drivel, thanks
I didn't bring my guild into any of the etiquette discussion, it was a person to person statement to Iskra. If I supply you with a series of derogatory messages that Iskra has sent, does that absolve my guild from your opinion on the matter and will you redact your statement? Or will you continue to down play and honest sentiment I had toward another player, not a guild based determination, in game about their actions came their plea against "demoralization." Feel free to whisper me in game or pm me the information about the maligned behavior and who the aggressor was and I will gladly deal with the situation personally.
-Rhage
Dom Dom brought you into it, yes, I know. PM sent with details for you to do your own follow up.
Appreciate your time. Situation will be handled accordingly. Thank you for shopping at K-Hole.
-RhageRhage Lionpride DC Stamina Templar
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✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
Hahahaha No one cares .
@Elong Exactly . An majority of AD that I see just get down to business when they log in and see the map needs work . I had great fun last night dethroning and defending from DC . We are too far behind to catch up but maybe next campaign we will have more people and get stronger .
You've been stronger towards the end of this week, and actually spreading out a little bit too. We've been crap for a year, we win 1 camp and everyone is mad af at us. You'll come back I'm sure of it.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
Hahahaha No one cares .
@Elong Exactly . An majority of AD that I see just get down to business when they log in and see the map needs work . I had great fun last night dethroning and defending from DC . We are too far behind to catch up but maybe next campaign we will have more people and get stronger .
You've been stronger towards the end of this week, and actually spreading out a little bit too. We've been crap for a year, we win 1 camp and everyone is mad af at us. You'll come back I'm sure of it.
We just started a new guild and are almost dialed in . AD loves new PVE and Morrowind has barrowed a lot of the soldiers . We like to RP walk through new content so it takes longer then other factions
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✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
Hahahaha No one cares .
@Elong Exactly . An majority of AD that I see just get down to business when they log in and see the map needs work . I had great fun last night dethroning and defending from DC . We are too far behind to catch up but maybe next campaign we will have more people and get stronger .
You've been stronger towards the end of this week, and actually spreading out a little bit too. We've been crap for a year, we win 1 camp and everyone is mad af at us. You'll come back I'm sure of it.
We just started a new guild and are almost dialed in . AD loves new PVE and Morrowind has barrowed a lot of the soldiers . We like to RP walk through new content so it takes longer then other factions
The new expansion is fantastic, I've never pve'd so much. Don't tell anyone though, it'll ruin my rep haha.1
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