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You have no right to demoralize
Juli'St
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You do not have the right to demoralize a faction because you have extreme, absurd advantage in numbers.
Once a very old player told me - he was one of the first to start the game and PvP, the first Emperor: 'Never take enemy scrolls if you have a lot of advantage, because that discourages people from playing Cyrodiil, demoralizes the opponent'.I think he, Crown, was right to tell me that. It is very bad, as AD player, to see a spectacle about a terrible PvP, based on the 'joking and demoralization' of the opponent. Unfortunately, as I see it, ESO is dying on Cyrodiil and not because of an expansion, but for a type of PvP that does not help at all, it does not encourage players to play.
This opinion is shared by many, including EP / DC. I hope this changes.
http://imgur.com/a/rkhAW
Once a very old player told me - he was one of the first to start the game and PvP, the first Emperor: 'Never take enemy scrolls if you have a lot of advantage, because that discourages people from playing Cyrodiil, demoralizes the opponent'.I think he, Crown, was right to tell me that. It is very bad, as AD player, to see a spectacle about a terrible PvP, based on the 'joking and demoralization' of the opponent. Unfortunately, as I see it, ESO is dying on Cyrodiil and not because of an expansion, but for a type of PvP that does not help at all, it does not encourage players to play.
This opinion is shared by many, including EP / DC. I hope this changes.
http://imgur.com/a/rkhAW
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Juli'St✭✭✭✭... and to be fair, the same was true for a DC scroll, when some AD just picked up the scroll to throw it into a lava hole. Just for 'farmar'. I find this very bad and not fun. It is mocking with the effort of others.
Yes, i really dont care if you, 'dirt PvP', dont like me... i care about campaigns, i care about new players, i care about all factions here, cause this game is fun, cause the campaign was fun, can be better. I learn this with time and experience in game.0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You do not have the right to demoralize a faction because you have extreme, absurd advantage in numbers.
Once a very old player told me - he was one of the first to start the game and PvP, the first Emperor: 'Never take enemy scrolls if you have a lot of advantage, because that discourages people from playing Cyrodiil, demoralizes the opponent'.I think he, Crown, was right to tell me that. It is very bad, as AD player, to see a spectacle about a terrible PvP, based on the 'joking and demoralization' of the opponent. Unfortunately, as I see it, ESO is dying on Cyrodiil and not because of an expansion, but for a type of PvP that does not help at all, it does not encourage players to play.
This opinion is shared by many, including EP / DC. I hope this changes.
http://imgur.com/a/rkhAW
What am I looking at here? The map looks reasonable. All I see is that the player who take this pic needs to get more skyshards.
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Juli'St✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »You do not have the right to demoralize a faction because you have extreme, absurd advantage in numbers.
Once a very old player told me - he was one of the first to start the game and PvP, the first Emperor: 'Never take enemy scrolls if you have a lot of advantage, because that discourages people from playing Cyrodiil, demoralizes the opponent'.I think he, Crown, was right to tell me that. It is very bad, as AD player, to see a spectacle about a terrible PvP, based on the 'joking and demoralization' of the opponent. Unfortunately, as I see it, ESO is dying on Cyrodiil and not because of an expansion, but for a type of PvP that does not help at all, it does not encourage players to play.
This opinion is shared by many, including EP / DC. I hope this changes.
http://imgur.com/a/rkhAW
What am I looking at here? The map looks reasonable. All I see is that the player who take this pic needs to get more skyshards.
hahaha...ok, Joy.
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gp1680✭✭✭✭✭If AD can't muster a half way decent fighting force, you will be subjugated, humiliated, defeated, and destroyed, that's the history of war. No participation trophies or safe spaces. LOL!
For the Covenant!!!!6 -
Ghostbane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭... and to be fair, the same was true for a DC scroll, when some AD just picked up the scroll to throw it into a lava hole. Just for 'farmar'. I find this very bad and not fun. It is mocking with the effort of others.
It wasn't a DC scroll those AD picked up and put in the lava, it was their own. A last ditch attempt to prevent the enemy from getting it. It was brilliant.{★★★★★ · ★★★★★ · ★★ · ★★★★★}350m+ AP PC - EUAddons
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Juli'St✭✭✭✭... and to be fair, the same was true for a DC scroll, when some AD just picked up the scroll to throw it into a lava hole. Just for 'farmar'. I find this very bad and not fun. It is mocking with the effort of others.
It wasn't a DC scroll those AD picked up and put in the lava, it was their own. A last ditch attempt to prevent the enemy from getting it. It was brilliant.
>.<
Was EP or DC... anyway.0 -
Montayva✭✭✭✭Never take enemies scrolls? They're there to be taken for a reason! And quite frankly if a guild logs in to pvp one night and the opposing faction has one of their scrolls it really just gives them another objective to shoot for that evening and breaks things up a little.
You can't hold it against two other factions if one of the three factions has more player base active around the clock. Oceanic players get discriminated against ALOT for playing in their prime time and doing things like taking scrolls. Just like the other time zones though, those guilds do eventually log off and sleep and other guilds log on and pick up from where they left off. I fail to see how it considered 'demoralising' just by playing the game as it's intended.Montayva: EP, AD, DC Magplar | Mistress Montayva: AD, DC, EP Mag DK | Rharhey: EP, AD Mag Sorccrafters
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Publius_Scipio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Zergbad the Exterminator came to Tamriel advertising (it was his namesake afterall) that he single handedly will accost, demoralize, and ultimately exterminate the zergs gnawing like hungry rabid skeevers on the legs of our beloved mother Cyrodiil.
Needless to say, under Zergbad's watch zerging actually proliferated and became that much more of a menace. The zergs broke Zergbad's will and outlasted his Tamrielic soul.Should anyone who is a part of the Elder Scrolls Online community accept this?
Should I Publius Scipio accept his failure? A failure that strikes at the very name he carried in Tamriel. I'm not quite sure I should accept that kind of bull[snip]. Maybe I should sue him in the Wayrest courts.4 -
Darlgon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sigh..
Moral <> gameplay.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.1 -
Telel✭✭✭✭✭
✭If AD can't muster a half way decent fighting force, you will be attacked by vast hordes of people who can't even defend their home keeps or scrolls. Because we can only go for easy wins, and hate anything more difficult than the game tutorial. Also when you win someone will send you a hate tell and call you a zergling.LOL!
For the Covenant!!!!
Khajiit has fixed. You are welcome.
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Juli'St✭✭✭✭Never take enemies scrolls? They're there to be taken for a reason! And quite frankly if a guild logs in to pvp one night and the opposing faction has one of their scrolls it really just gives them another objective to shoot for that evening and breaks things up a little.
You can't hold it against two other factions if one of the three factions has more player base active around the clock. Oceanic players get discriminated against ALOT for playing in their prime time and doing things like taking scrolls. Just like the other time zones though, those guilds do eventually log off and sleep and other guilds log on and pick up from where they left off. I fail to see how it considered 'demoralising' just by playing the game as it's intended.
I think you should pay more attention to the content of things instead of form, more attention, even to what is written - although but i can understand 'certain' difficulty of interpreting texts:
'Never take enemy scrolls if you have a lot of advantage'Edited by Juli'St on June 9, 2017 8:21PM1 -
Ghost-Shot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭But @Crown wasn't the first emperor, how can this post have any credibility now??
On serious note, while it may be bad taste to take everything from a weak faction and can at times be detrimental to good PvP, Cyrodiil is a simulation of war. If you are weak you will eventually lose everything and it's not really the responsibility of the other factions to hold your hand. You have scrolls, scrolls are worth points, people like to win. Even when most of us(myself included) go around saying we don't care about campaign scores any more, at the end of the day when presented with the opportunity to win we will take it.Edited by Ghost-Shot on June 9, 2017 8:32PM2 -
Juli'St✭✭✭✭If AD can't muster a half way decent fighting force, you will be subjugated, humiliated, defeated, and destroyed, that's the history of war. No participation trophies or safe spaces. LOL!
For the Covenant!!!!
Change, for the EP... in really, DC work to EP all the time, the score and EMP prove this single FATC, can u like, or not, can u agree or not.
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Crispen_Longbow✭✭✭✭✭'Never take enemy scrolls if you have a lot of advantage'
Taking scrolls is perfectly fine. To create a better PVP environment you shouldn't gate camp the enemies home keeps, all night, after you have taken their scrolls. Especially when there isn't a competitive guild to get their keeps back, that is demoralizing.
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Juli'St✭✭✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »But @Crown wasn't the first emperor, how can this post have any credibility now??
I think it was a FIRST (plural). And I remember perfectly when he said to avoid pulling scrolls when one has a giant advantage. The exact words, I do not remember, but I understood the content of what he said.0 -
Juli'St✭✭✭✭Crispen_Longbow wrote: »'Never take enemy scrolls if you have a lot of advantage'
Taking scrolls is perfectly fine. To create a better PVP environment you shouldn't gate camp the enemies home keeps, all night, after you have taken their scrolls. Especially when there isn't a competitive guild to get their keeps back, that is demoralizing.
We dont have this scenary 9about scroll) in Vivec now, (in Sotha too). Gate camp, really hate it.Edited by Juli'St on June 9, 2017 8:31PM0 -
Magıc✭✭✭✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »But @Crown wasn't the first emperor, how can this post have any credibility now??
If this is the case, I can't take this thread seriously at all sorry.1 -
NirnStorm✭✭✭✭✭Dear Iskra,
I had the most fun playing with that scroll there, and I would do it over and over again.
It had no intentions of demoralizing anyone. We were messing around having a great fight, EP vs AD, with a scroll involved. What a great way to spice up the bridge fight!
If your group wasn't capable of touching my scroll, ran by a group of 7 players (and at times, the EP zerg of course), after it was brought by us from a DC group to YOUR side of the bridge, in the middle of YOUR faction's zerg, I think you might just need to spend more time learning how to PvP than writing irrelevant forum posts.
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Please do NOT keep it in the game.6 -
Juli'St✭✭✭✭Dear Iskra,
I had the most fun playing with that scroll there, and I would do it over and over again.
It had no intentions of demoralizing anyone. We were messing around having a great fight, EP vs AD, with a scroll involved. What a great way to spice up the bridge fight!
If your group wasn't capable of touching my scroll, ran by a group of 7 players (and at times, the EP zerg of course), after it was brought by us from a DC group to YOUR side of the bridge, in the middle of YOUR faction's zerg, I think you might just need to spend more time learning how to PvP than writing irrelevant forum posts.
'Great pvp' is not what we are reading in AD zone chat, on the contrary, many agreeing with me. On your 'pvp lessons', save them for yourself.0 -
Ghost-Shot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »But @Crown wasn't the first emperor, how can this post have any credibility now??
If this is the case, I can't take this thread seriously at all sorry.
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Juli'St✭✭✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »But @Crown wasn't the first emperor, how can this post have any credibility now??
If this is the case, I can't take this thread seriously at all sorry.
Exactly!
i dont care. I type here to certain public, not to all 0 -
Ghost-Shot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »But @Crown wasn't the first emperor, how can this post have any credibility now??
I think it was a FIRST (plural). And I remember perfectly when he said to avoid pulling scrolls when one has a giant advantage. The exact words, I do not remember, but I understood the content of what he said.
He gave you solid strategic advice, I think you misinterpreted it though. Taking scrolls can draw a lot of agro, so when you are in a good position and the other 2 alliances are focused on each other you don't want to take their scrolls because they will turn their attention to you. When you have someone in the right position though, you go for the throat.
And their can't be a plural first, first is just first, as in no one before. I think Crown was the the first yellow emp of Trueflame, a campaign that opened like 2 years after launch.0 -
Ghost-Shot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »But @Crown wasn't the first emperor, how can this post have any credibility now??
If this is the case, I can't take this thread seriously at all sorry.
Exactly!
i dont care. I type here to certain public, not to all
What?1 -
Juli'St✭✭✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »But @Crown wasn't the first emperor, how can this post have any credibility now??
If this is the case, I can't take this thread seriously at all sorry.
Exactly!
i dont care. I type here to certain public, not to all
What?
Dear, dont make this threat something personal (and u try this - u make this in game too). So, no answer for you. Just ignore.
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Ghost-Shot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »But @Crown wasn't the first emperor, how can this post have any credibility now??
If this is the case, I can't take this thread seriously at all sorry.
Exactly!
i dont care. I type here to certain public, not to all
What?
Dear, dont make this threat something personal (and u try this - u make this in game too). So, no answer for you. Just ignore.
End.
It's not a personal thing, I just don't understand what you said.3 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Crispen_Longbow wrote: »'Never take enemy scrolls if you have a lot of advantage'
Taking scrolls is perfectly fine. To create a better PVP environment you shouldn't gate camp the enemies home keeps, all night, after you have taken their scrolls. Especially when there isn't a competitive guild to get their keeps back, that is demoralizing.
Correct and agreed.
Also those scrolls only deny stat buffs plus a total of 4 points while giving your team 2 points.
You want to make the factions hurt? 10 minutes before score eval take 3 resources you'll net 6 points off their scorre while adding 3 to yours (9 point move) for less effort and if done right you can go back to regular PvP like nothing happened or attract enough players to make a balanced encounter.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Juli'St✭✭✭✭I think people should stop trying to justify a bad pvp, where it only benefits one side and think more about the campaign, after all, this is a campaign. My fear is that not too long, some are just killing NPC in the resources and saying that this is 'super cool'.0
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✭So the way these AD players think and behave. Now do yall ever wonder why they have troubles retaining numbers. They create more internal enemies then they do external enemies. Then get salty when those they have or tried to abuse leave them and farm them for pay back.
Payback is a what? Payback is a what? Yeah that's what I thought? Either shape up or ship out. No one wants play with a bunch of *** talking down on them the whole time just because they are new or isn't well known.
How many divisions of guilds have AD endured over this very same reason? I personally remember then one at the end of 2014 and the one in the middle of 2015. Damn guys it is sad to see you all have still not learn yalls lesson. And now yall want to try to force people to not be able to PvP and try to take the make believe high road. Over stupidity yall started yalls selves.
By the way it was much fun killing yall between the bridge and Sej, on my new build.2 -
Juli'St✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »So the way these AD players think and behave. Now do yall ever wonder why they have troubles retaining numbers. They create more internal enemies then they do external enemies. Then get salty when those they have or tried to abuse leave them and farm them for pay back.
Payback is a what? Payback is a what? Yeah that's what I thought? Either shape up or ship out. No one wants play with a bunch of *** talking down on them the whole time just because they are new or isn't well known.
How many divisions of guilds have AD endured over this very same reason? I personally remember then one at the end of 2014 and the one in the middle of 2015. Damn guys it is sad to see you all have still not learn yalls lesson. And now yall want to try to force people to not be able to PvP and try to take the make believe high road. Over stupidity yall started yalls selves.
By the way it was much fun killing yall between the bridge and Sej, on my new build.
The mistakes of some should not justify demoralization, the demotivation of others to play on Cyrodiil. I say the same about Sotha and other factions.1
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