anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Jamascus wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

For one, you are wrong. You asked so I answered.

Second, you fail to consider the downsides of the tired, stale and abused single point trade systems, not to mention pain in the neck auction houses that permit gold traders to easily screw the market.

Third, ESO is clearly setup to be a social game permitting us to be a member of 5 guilds. Many guilds that have very minimal requirements (merely sell some stuff) have available slots. Really easy to do.

The current system allows for players and trade guilds to the screw the market instead of gold traders. Anyone that says different enjoys extorting people and is afraid of losing the strangle hold they have on the market.

An centralized AH system is bad because it allows for wealthy players to manipulate markets easily. Anyone that says different enjoys extorting people and is frustrated of not being able do to so in ESO.

They do it in ESO already and much easier as well

notimetocare wrote: »

Jamascus wrote: »

jlboozer wrote: »

Hand this man the stick....another dead horse needs beating!

And they will continue to be beaten because the current system is *** terrible. It causes extortion, elitism and exclusivity. They need to do away with blind bids and make the winning bid every week visible on the guild screen for all members to see. Along with adding the option to search every guild store at the same time from your banker screen.

Better than auction house price fixing

This game has worse price fixing than WoW tbh.

Jamascus wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Aureli wrote: »

I'd be happier with the guild trading system if there was a menu to globally search for items (with an actual search bar so we can type the name or part of the name), across all npc guild traders. Even if the rest of the system remained the same, this would solve a lot of issues.

I actually don't have a problem with having to go to the guild trader's location. Certain things are just more likely to be found in certain places, and with a decent search function, one that is remembered, an entire city of traders can be searched in a just a couple of minutes.

A global index, much like a global market, would server to homogenize the system. It would eliminate variations in how important a trade location is. I fear that a trader next to a wayshrine in the middle of Malabal Tor would be the same value as a trader in Rawl'kha.

There's nothing wrong with that. Who gives a *** where the trader is located. Extortion, elitism and exclusivity is caused by that mentality.

vpy wrote: »

Correct me if i am wrong, I believe ESO player auction system is one of the worst designed auction system in all of MMOs.

Let me ask you one question....I am a player and I looted a very good item which I would like to sell to other players for making some gold.

All the big MMOs including WoW, GW2 has open auction system where players can make some gold.

ESO is the only MMO where I need to get in touch with a guild trader to sell my items to other players.


This is ridiculously bad

What was the rationale behind such a design ???

There are several rationales. You may like them or not, but this had been a conscious choice off ZOS.

1. Game comes with the ability to join 5 guilds but all with one account and not by single character. ZOS thought to have purpose oriented guilds instead of the one guild you usually got in other games. This helps people who once had to have an alt in a raiding guild, alts in a "casual - dailies" guild, trading alts guildless or in a trading guild, PvP characters in a PvP guild and so on. As of now you can have it all, without relogging to each character to see their guild chats.
2. Not having a central Auction House helps with issues related with "velocity of money". This is a fairly complicated concept to explain, you may look to my explanations over the years on the EvE Online forums. EvE Online is strongly based on markets, they had a lot of issues when Jita became the one trading hub instead of having a good dozen (I am talking about 2009 and so, when secondary hubs like Oursualert were still decent).
3. Not having a central Auction house helps reducing gold farmers profits. They cannot take over the whole game and manipulate the whole markets with a dozen stolen accounts like they do with WoW and similar. They would have to have 2-3 different accounts in each trading guild.
4. Not having a central auction house allows to implement medieval style local markets. ESO is very strongly themed, ZOS even controls colors in order to not let achieve "eastern fantasy MMO" disruptive content, like pink and rainbow unicorns guys and so on.
5. Not having a central auction house gives the casual players the ability to profit off the markets. A central auction house is totally made for smart market players (I have been one in most MMOs including EvE) who know very well how to drive, manipulate and exploit the markets and become billionaire. In ESO it's still possible for the smart market player to become really rich but it's not as easy as to "do 1 + 1" kind of easy.

There are more reasons but I CBA to spend more time in here.

You said to correct you if ur wrong. Well, yep ur wrong.

Current system is good, you just need to learn it and not be lazy. Trading in the game is a big aspect of it's full richness. AH would be dull and Remove that whole element. I've lewrnt a ton from.when i was in your position to now, and learnt loads both as buyer and seller, and expanded my use of the game.

The game is getting over Simplified as it is, 100% does not need an AH. As per the other 1000 dead horse posts

Im tired of explaining this each time, trust me global AH is for casuals, REAL traders will always choose current system. Which one are you?

Mayrael wrote: »

What global AH does is making all prices on the same lvl (you wont be able to buy something cheaper as it is now, if something is worth 20k you wont find anybody who would sell it for 15k, you will have prices like 19999, 19998 etc), it helps with creating monopoly of rare goods (there are 3 items on AH, each worth 500k, someones buys all of them, does it next day and next day if any, then after a week he starts to sell them for 2kk and buys all the rest if something is being sold for lower price, all he needs to do is sit at AH. Now he would have to visit at least best trader spots and dig through them so its much much longer and harder), AH makes things harder to sell (oh Ive just refined 10 temp alloys, Im gonna sell it. Whats the lowest price? 10k ea? Ok so ill sell them for 9,5 ea. Few minutes later some guy does the same thing but he sets his price at 9499 so he is at first page with best price. Suddenly you are on 4th page after few minutes.)

Trust me Ive seen it all already in each mmo with AH. Dont go that way...

Mayrael wrote: »

Im tired of explaining this each time, trust me global AH is for casuals, REAL traders will always choose current system. Which one are you?

Mayrael wrote: »

What global AH does is making all prices on the same lvl (you wont be able to buy something cheaper as it is now, if something is worth 20k you wont find anybody who would sell it for 15k, you will have prices like 19999, 19998 etc), it helps with creating monopoly of rare goods (there are 3 items on AH, each worth 500k, someones buys all of them, does it next day and next day if any, then after a week he starts to sell them for 2kk and buys all the rest if something is being sold for lower price, all he needs to do is sit at AH. Now he would have to visit at least best trader spots and dig through them so its much much longer and harder), AH makes things harder to sell (oh Ive just refined 10 temp alloys, Im gonna sell it. Whats the lowest price? 10k ea? Ok so ill sell them for 9,5 ea. Few minutes later some guy does the same thing but he sets his price at 9499 so he is at first page with best price. Suddenly you are on 4th page after few minutes.)

Trust me Ive seen it all already in each mmo with AH. Dont go that way...

AH is not for casuals its for everyone?

StormWylf wrote: »

1. In fact there are numerious players who don't want to join a guild.
2. Many of these trading guilds require minimum weekly sales, participation and the ever present guild drama, for heaven's sake it's akin to keeping 5 girlfriends happy all the time.

Back in 2014, I did not want to be in a guild and avoided them. I am over that, now. It really is not that bad.

Most of the guilds that I am in do not charge anything and do not have any minimum sales for using their guild stores. Most of them are not full, either. I think that a guild finder that included that sort of information would help immensely.

Sadly, if they ever did implement a guild finder, I fear that by the time they scaled it back to fit within their budget, it would be like the Group Finder, except it would not work as well.

I am pretty sure the bulk of players would like to see a better system or at least a revamp of this one. The big question is why is ZOS so dead set on no change despite the player opinion?

Jamascus wrote: »

jlboozer wrote: »

Hand this man the stick....another dead horse needs beating!

And they will continue to be beaten because the current system is *** terrible. It causes extortion, elitism and exclusivity. They need to do away with blind bids and make the winning bid every week visible on the guild screen for all members to see. Along with adding the option to search every guild store at the same time from your banker screen.

They don't "need" to do anything. You want them to, but others don't want them to. Thankfully for us zos has never hinted at ever changing the current system.

I was wondering when we would see another one of these post. Now all we need is another zos is greedy post. Once the system is learned it is very easy to use. And people are always able to sell in zone through in person trading or cod.

Lol at making the winning bid visible. Horrible idea. So the next guild can out bid by just a few gold? Or know the range the other guild bids at? No thank-you.

This is not wow or gw2, this is eso.

There is a reason that posts like these keep getting brought up and that addons like master merchant or tamriel trade centre exist, the current system has flaws and is really tedious to use from a buyer perspective.

Since there is a limited number of guild kiosks available, that means that there is a limit on how many players can actually sell stuff at any given time, and I would like to think that there are vastly more buyers than sellers in the game, given the low amount of possible sellers that could exist even if all kiosks were locked with max 500 member guilds.

If we assume that the above is true and that the amount of people not in trading guilds vastly outnumbers the ones in them, then it would be only logical that ZoS changes the system to accommodate the majority of the player base and allow everyone that plays the game to sell his/her stuff.

Also while a centralized auction house does have some of the issues that some people mention, it's not like the current system doesn't have them also, and imo the benefits would far outweigh the ''possible'' issues that could arise.

IMO a centralized auction house or whatever you want to call it would be objectively better than the current system.