Trashkan wrote: »

I hate how ******* stupid it makes the game look and the developers when you create different classes of weapons like duel wield and 2h you would think that the 2h would be slower. In every other instance in every other game. So it was not intended it was incorporated because it became a go to for a lot of players zos made it a thing rather than fixing this exploit. I think it's kinda dumb you go PvP and that's all you see a 2h crit rush and by the end of animation you get hit by wrecking blow incapacitating strike wrecking blow and if you survive that get ready for fear.

Alaztor91 wrote: »

(1) I could be wrong but wasn't the combat in this game based around visual and auditory cues, so for example if you see or hear someone do X you would probably want to do Y to counter it.

Doesn't animation cancel negates to some extent part of that?. Sure you can say that ZoS embraced it as part of the gameplay because they were too lazy to fix it, (2)but why do mobs in pve keep doing their slow telegraphed attacks then, why don't they weave in light attacks between skills? It would be only fair that they are also allowed to do it.

You can argue that button mashing takes more skill than reacting to incoming attacks, but the second is present in the vast majority of the game.

1. Probably. You can still react to what players hit you with, but honestly how many skills actually have true counters? If a skill has a cast time it can be interrupted via bash/crushing/(venom arrow?) but animation cancelling doesn't stop that from being possible. I guess the counter to Dizzying swing is to block, but given lag and realistic human reaction times, half the time you can't even react properly during that windup. PVP combat isn't about countering individual skills, it's actually centered around countering and working with groups of skills.
2. If mobs in pve actually used player like weaving and attacked on Cooldown like players, then the overland mobs would absolutely destroy 90% of the player base. How much does the average mob connect for with a light attack on a light armor player? 3k? Can you imaging pulling 3 overland mobs, that spammed light attacks once per second and weaved in steel tornado at the same time. That's quite a lot of damage to mitigate.

CooTiE2oh7 wrote: »

I know that most of us are aware of animation cancelling and how much it affects this wrongful burst damage we are able to achieve. Similar games incorporate a decimal of a second cool down on instant casts to where the ability goes grey, cannot be used, and a little timer circle around the button makes one quick rotation in that time and becomes active available again. This would cut down on lag in the game big time because spam would no longer even registe. it would also make the game less broken and come more down to rotation and no so much how quick you can do your exploit. What do honest players think, as well as ZOS?

Royaji wrote: »

Just a heads up to all the anti-animation cancelling people.

The moment you start talking about ani-cancelled Wrecking Blows you loose all possible credibility. You do not even understand how it works but try to argue why it should be removed.

Drummerx04 wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

If animation cancelling wasn't in the game, how much harder would trials and VMA be? I never get an answer to this.

You never get an answer because it is very difficult to speculate. Currently, there is a series of global cooldowns that are interconnected and set each other off, so it's not like the question is simply "what is the expected dps loss if animation cancelling is removed?"

With AC, I can freely cast a skill and then DODGE incoming damage with a roll, or block. If animation cancelling were removed, I guess I couldn't block or dodge until the animation is done... Basically, vMA/trials would take longer and the combat would FEEL slow and clunky, even to everyone who goes out of their way to avoid AC.

I can pretty much guarantee that most of the community complaining about AC actually does it without knowing. For example: spam dark flare button once per second. Congrats, you just animation cancelled.

And for those saying AC is unfair because not everyone is physically able to do it... that's like saying the NBA is unfair because they have physical requirements.

BigBragg wrote: »

thebattlesaintb14_ESO wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

It's not broken. Use it or don't. It's your choice. You "animation cancelling is cheating/an exploit" need to let it go. Either learn to do it or shut up about it.

It is a textbook example of broken. It's an exploit. You "It's not broken and it's not an exploit" people need to accept that. Either learn to get over using your exploit crutch or shut up about it.

See how much of an ass you came across as?

In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers

Except Wrobel, the lead combat engineer has said on ESO Live that the studio has embraced it as part of the gameplay. So bickering on the thread about something the studio has officially green lighted is rather pointless.

https://youtu.be/ThZtwhYkKSs

Chims wrote: »

Animation canceling is poor code design and a flaw. Rather than fix it since it likely requires significant coding and rebalancing ZOS just decided to say its acceptable and expected behavior. It is really as simple as that. Anyone with any kind of understanding of coding or software should know that.

• They could have adjusted times to match when people AC'd.
• They could have coded skills as a go/no-go condition after a certain point in the timing, each individually (would've added one whole variable).
  • If it's before that timing mark, skill is canceled, along with the damage or benefit it would have provided.
  • If it's after that timing mark, skill fires, but you're commited until the animation completes.