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Lets get blunt on additional content (general consensus)
Tipsy247
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Zeni changed the price modal. There is a lot of controversy on what they have been charging the customer base. Some say it is appropriate for MMO's while others say it has been misleading and frankly not worth the cash. What is the general consensus? I have tried to include what I think will be popular votes, but feel free to comment otherwise and I will adjust accordingly.
ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:
Edited by Tipsy247 on June 8, 2017 6:23AM ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:
Lets get blunt on additional content (general consensus) 199 votes
everything
23%
47 votes
eso+ and chapters, but the crown store is out of hand
9%
19 votes
the crown store and eso+, but chapters are glorified dlc and should be included in eso+
14%
28 votes
eso+, but chapters are glorified dlc and the crown store is overpriced
24%
49 votes
eso+,chapters, and mounts, but crown crates target gambling problems and should be removed from a gaming community such as this
12%
25 votes
nothing
5%
11 votes
other
10%
20 votes
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Uncle_Sweetshare✭✭✭✭everythingI think the prices they charge are fair, however the content they're releasing feels incomplete (just look at Battlegrounds). I'd be willing to pay more if they actually fixed their products.PC | NA | EP Uninstalled and refunded. I'm just here to laugh at ZOS.
Candy, candy, he makes so much.
Click Here! >>> Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Battlegrounds? <<< Click Here!9 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭otherIt varies.
ESO Base price and ESO+ are pretty much spot on as standard.
The Crown store fluctuates between great deals and WTF are you doing prices.
DLC prices are okay, but not great or insane, just okay.
Expansions (Morrowind so far) probably could be cheaper for what they offer, but they're about right.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."23 -
vpy✭✭✭✭nothingZeni changed the price modal. There is a lot of controversy on what they have been charging the customer base. Some say it is appropriate for MMO's while others say it has been misleading and frankly not worth the cash. What is the general consensus? I have tried to include what I think will be popular votes, but feel free to comment otherwise and I will adjust accordingly \n ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:
You guys have no fricking clue as to how gifted you are.
Personally I have spent over $7000 US on the biggest MMO.
ESO is currently the BEST AND CHEAPEST form of MMO out there...
Kindly stop the whining4 -
Uncle_Sweetshare✭✭✭✭everything
Personally I have spent over $7000 US on the biggest MMO.Zeni changed the price modal. There is a lot of controversy on what they have been charging the customer base. Some say it is appropriate for MMO's while others say it has been misleading and frankly not worth the cash. What is the general consensus? I have tried to include what I think will be popular votes, but feel free to comment otherwise and I will adjust accordingly \n ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:
Irrelevant, and you voted the opposite of the point you were trying to make, although to be fair OP worded it very poorly.PC | NA | EP Uninstalled and refunded. I'm just here to laugh at ZOS.
Candy, candy, he makes so much.
Click Here! >>> Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Battlegrounds? <<< Click Here!5 -
Tipsy247✭✭✭Zeni changed the price modal. There is a lot of controversy on what they have been charging the customer base. Some say it is appropriate for MMO's while others say it has been misleading and frankly not worth the cash. What is the general consensus? I have tried to include what I think will be popular votes, but feel free to comment otherwise and I will adjust accordingly \n ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:
You guys have no fricking clue as to how gifted you are.
Personally I have spent over $7000 US on the biggest MMO.
ESO is currently the BEST AND CHEAPEST form of MMO out there...
Kindly stop the whining
what do you mean "you guys"4 -
Tipsy247✭✭✭Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »
Personally I have spent over $7000 US on the biggest MMO.Zeni changed the price modal. There is a lot of controversy on what they have been charging the customer base. Some say it is appropriate for MMO's while others say it has been misleading and frankly not worth the cash. What is the general consensus? I have tried to include what I think will be popular votes, but feel free to comment otherwise and I will adjust accordingly \n ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:
Irrelevant, and you voted the opposite of the point you were trying to make, although to be fair OP worded it very poorly.
How bout some constructive criticism? I am not trying to say things poorly. How would you like me to change the wording and why?0 -
Magıc✭✭✭✭✭eso+, but chapters are glorified dlc and the crown store is overpricedMorrowind is literally the size of Wrothgar if that. Wrothgar took longer to complete and was more fun. The "trial" aka vMA was harder to complete than vHoF lol...
It's a shame, but I doubt anything will change.3 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Confusing poll.
All I can say is that I still like the game enough to buy new content. If I can find ways to get discounted subs through customer service promos, I might even sub for those wonderful crafting bags. I sometimes take a few months off and wait for discounted crowns to buy content or, down the road, for multiple DLC that I play through in one month of subbing.
I bought a banker who was sure pricey -- almost the full amount of a $24 5500 crown pack.
I am fine with the crates and pricey cosmetic stuff, but they don't tempt me. I want ZOS to milk the whales. That keeps the game profitable and more affordable for the rest of us who have no interest in throwing money at a single game.4 -
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✭eso+ and chapters, but the crown store is out of handAs much as you would like. They cannot develop simply out of love and devotion for the game. People who want everything for free are acting super entitled.1 -
Belidos✭✭✭✭✭Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »
Personally I have spent over $7000 US on the biggest MMO.Zeni changed the price modal. There is a lot of controversy on what they have been charging the customer base. Some say it is appropriate for MMO's while others say it has been misleading and frankly not worth the cash. What is the general consensus? I have tried to include what I think will be popular votes, but feel free to comment otherwise and I will adjust accordingly \n ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:
Irrelevant, and you voted the opposite of the point you were trying to make, although to be fair OP worded it very poorly.
Yup, the OP has written a very bad poll, it's very unclear what the options mean in relation to the issue, in fact it's kind of vague what the issue really is, he's preambled about the lead up to and effects of the issue, but not clearly defined the actual issue, he needs to add an actual tag line that the answers relate to, ie "how would you like ESO monetized?" etc.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭otherI want them to continue updating existing content.
Vvardenfell has a lot of missing content at the moment (locked houses, locked tombs, locked ruins, no group dungeons, Sheogorad inaccessible, etc.). I would like to see ZOS fill out unfinished maps free of charge. Similar to what Arenanet did with their GW2 expansion. Vvardenfell is a huge zone. It looks beautiful. But it's lacking content and feels quite barren at the moment.
What good is a cash shop and optional sub if we have to pay extra for all new content?Edited by MLGProPlayer on June 8, 2017 8:04AM3 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭eso+,chapters, and mounts, but crown crates target gambling problems and should be removed from a gaming community such as thisI am fine with ESO+ prices, and generally like the benefits subscribers get.
I am not too happy on mount prices in crown store, I find that anything over 2500 crowns is a crime against players.
I am strongly against crown store exclusive motifs, houses and similar.
I am furious about crown crates and bs gambling with irl cash they brought to ESO. I mean, if you can't fix lag because you are simply not capable of doing so, if you don't see problem with destro ulti trains in PvP because you are clueless, I can understand that. But if on top of that you have nerve to put in con crates in the game, then you are just a ******* ******* **** ****** ******* and that is unforgivable.7 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
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^This^It varies.
ESO Base price and ESO+ are pretty much spot on as standard.
The Crown store fluctuates between great deals and WTF are you doing prices.
DLC prices are okay, but not great or insane, just okay.
Expansions (Morrowind so far) probably could be cheaper for what they offer, but they're about right.
I am fine with most prices, though there are some "WTF" things in the crown store now and then...
The one thing that vexes me are the crown crates. I would prefer to avoid gambling for prettification...
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭everythingI have no problems with the pricing or the content. I don't want some of the stuff so I don't buy it. The Crown Store and Crown Crate items are purely fluff with no hint of P2W and the whole cash shop concept isn't rammed down our throats at every turn as it is in some games. I get that the switch from DLC to chapter in the case of Morrowind was a controversial one, and I imagine that ZOS will have learnt from that, but taking the game as a whole I'm very happy with the value for money I derive from it.4 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭everythingI haven't had a problem with any of their pricing. Some crown store items are more than I'd like, but I skip those, no biggie. Crates aren't the best, so I don't spend a lot on those, but some do and that's fine.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
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✭✭✭otherIts funny that people still think its the devs that decieds the price on things. Its zenimax inc not zenimax studios that controls the money. And so the devs we see on the forums, on eso live or other places got no control over that0 -
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✭eso+,chapters, and mounts, but crown crates target gambling problems and should be removed from a gaming community such as this^This... the gamble crates need to go.. everything else, I'm ok with. I want ZOS to be financially well off and stable.. but not at the expense of triggering people's gambling issues. "Cuz I just know if I buy just one more crate... I'll get that cool thing I really want..." That stuff just really needs to go, ZOS.. please don't be a predator that preys on your customer base..Edited by TerraDewBerry on June 8, 2017 3:18PM2 -
PS4_ZeColmeia✭✭✭✭✭everythingTheir content, their IP, their pricing strategy. Do I agree with how they do everything? Not necessarily but I don't work for them nor am I in a position to make those decisions.PSN: ***___Chan (3 _s)
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭otherOdd poll choices but technically
1. Any company can price change Brent and any pricepoint they choose (customers determine if it's right)
2. The different changes (no longer any model) per their comments is to target different customers overall so in a general sense it's working for some.
3. Honestly. I think people ignore simple significant solutions.
If you don't like the product, the companies marketing choices or prices. Don't buy and keep moving.
Expecting things to change isn't realistic as companies go under all the time for bad decisions regarding all of this. On the other side employees quit. Look at the ZeniMax job pages....either they are growing and need more or ppl are being replaced.
Shrug.
(No longer a subscriber and won't buy crowns anymore...sitting on a balance that hopefully will last until the end of days)-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭everythingUncle_Sweetshare wrote: »I think the prices they charge are fair, however the content they're releasing feels incomplete (just look at Battlegrounds). I'd be willing to pay more if they actually fixed their products.
Excatly what this guy said.
I'm perfectly fine with ZOS business model change. They are a business and as a business must have money to sustain and grow.
However the quality or lack of quality we are getting at these prices. From time to time leaves for with a sour taste in my mouth. The biggest examples are Imperial City dlc and then Battlegrounds in Morrowind. Had I been one of these poor people who rely on ESO for my player vs player fixes. I'd throw a fit, unsubscribed, and then write a few big nice reviews on how practically ZOS ripped me off with misleading advertisements.
However since finding out about the MOBA genre, more so Smite and Paragon. This is not the case for me. So I am not ready to throw a fit. And so far Morrowind outside of the PvP portion. Has been every bit of what I was expecting in a MMO of todays time.
PvPers just frankly needs to come to terms. With the fact MMO companies will never push for decent PvP in this day and age. MMOs have retired themselves as a PvE genre, with maybe minimal PvP support. There are other genres out for PvP oriented players.
You don't go to a McDonald for a high quality steak dinner. So, why would you come to a PvE focused genre, for high quality PvP action? But I guess some fokes will never learn. And these are the fokes that these companies prey on.Edited by FearlessOne_2014 on June 8, 2017 3:38PM1 -
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✭otherThe crown store is all over the place, Marketing is clearly trying to push our buttons to ser how big their 'micro'transactions can get some days. Limited Time Offers? $40, $50, $100 items? The quality has steadily risen, though the number of items per cycle has been a bit small since...
Crown crates. Not the worst gambling crate system I've seen. Not the best either. The mounts are all gaudy, which is a visible kink in the design aesthetics steadily developing over the years. Thankfully it's been a pretty tame gaudiness. I'd be quite happy if crown crates fizzled out of being, as-is their pricing is just not too terrible.
DLCs are pretty fine, the price doesn't fluctuate as far as the content does though. Hist Dungeons v.s. Orsinium? Clearly a lot of work goes into these, just please no more 'do radiant quests to unlock the story' like DB/TG.
Base game isn't even worth mentioning. It's cheap and the game is B2P. It's not a huge ask to drop $40, $20, or less on the unlock to then have unlimited free access to the base game content.
Subscription is iffy. Crafting bag and 2x bank space are almost too good. 2x Housing limits and costume dying are nice and cosmetic. DLC access is fine, and the crowns are enough to scoop them up if you want them to keep. 10% xp, gold and research boosts are... there. All-in-all the subscription offers plenty enough things, if you want them.
Chapters, the big mama jama of this discussion I'd think... I feel like I've paid $20 extra for a new class and some PvP modes I hardly care for. Is a new class worth that? It might be, but then what of people who want Vvardenfell and not to play a warden? It still costs the same. I don't think the price is bad inherently, but the obviously broken state of the Battlegrounds (and continuing problems with LFG as a whole) shows a lack of technical polish that we've been asking for for years. Grouping doesn't work, some content is atrociously broken (inaccessable) on consoles, ZOS is slow to work on the UI at all. No comment on HoF, haven't been yet, but hey a new trial is a good inclusion. The quests are nothing to complain about, would have made a perfectly good DLC on their own. The methodology of not including it in the subscription AND disallowing purchase with crowns hasn't done anything to me personally, I always thought an 'expansion' would work as such. I'm just not convinced it was worthy of being a 'chapter' instead of a seperately packaged DLC and new class or something. The pricing isn't bad for the concept, but I do not feel Vvardenfell fulfills the concept.If you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].1 -
Ragnork✭✭✭✭✭nothingYour poll is confusing and if I could re-vote you would see a red box and not a green box1
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✭✭✭otherRight and Fair? Please. These terms don't exist in the real world.
It's their company and they have the right to charge whatever they want FOR whatever they want. They and only they will reap the rewards or suffer the consequences for their actions. It is not our place to tell them that they are being unfair. If you think the price is too high? Tell them with your closed wallet. They will listen to that - I guarantee it.
I don't know what you do for a living, but I doubt very seriously that you would be willing to do it for free.
And as for "fair" - nothing is fair. The world isn't fair. Nothing and no one is equal. These people run a business and they want your money. There is no shame in that and it is not wrong.
Don't mean to be snarky, but Jesus people - I hate when people whine about things not being fair. Put your big kid panties on.4 -
Mephisto939✭✭✭✭the crown store and eso+, but chapters are glorified dlc and should be included in eso+Nothing will change as long as people keep financially supporting ZOS's direction by buying "chapters" (formerly known as DLC) and subscribing. The only way ZOS will get the message is when enough people cancel their sub and refuse to buy "chapters".Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!0 -
jircris11✭✭✭✭✭
✭otherZeni changed the price modal. There is a lot of controversy on what they have been charging the customer base. Some say it is appropriate for MMO's while others say it has been misleading and frankly not worth the cash. What is the general consensus? I have tried to include what I think will be popular votes, but feel free to comment otherwise and I will adjust accordingly \n ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:
You guys have no fricking clue as to how gifted you are.
Personally I have spent over $7000 US on the biggest MMO.
ESO is currently the BEST AND CHEAPEST form of MMO out there...
Kindly stop the whining
sadly people will continue to whine at least for the next month or so until something else grabs their feeble minds attention. Personal ZoS could say "screw you guys" and go back to a p2p model with paid expansions like some other mmos. OR they could laugh at you and make it so you have to pay REAL cash and not crowns that you bought ON SALE to buy dlc and such. But they do not, they COULD lock free members out of 90% of the game like swtor BUT they don't. People now days especially gamers have become over entitled. I am having a blast with morrowind and for 40 bucks i have gotten over 20 hours of entertainment. Let me put this in to persepctive.
(California prices)
Movie ticket:15-20 bucks deppending on if its atmos/3d ect
Popcorn:6.89
Soda: 6.00
Length of average movie: 2 hours
total for 2 hours of entertainment:22.89-32.89
Morrowind upgrade: 40 USD
Hours of entertainment SO FAR (because unlike most i take my time and enjoy the game): 20 hrs
See the difference here? for 2 hours at the movies i could get morrowind and still be enjoying it for much longer then 2 hrs even if you rush through the content that is still 8-10 hrs.Edited by jircris11 on June 8, 2017 4:28PMIGN: Ki'rah
Khajiit/Vampire
DC/AD faction/NA server.
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IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭everythingThis game and any extras are entirely luxury entertainment products, which have high price elasticity of demand. Whether increasing or decreasing prices of certain items will result in more total revenue is anyone's guess, but this is not any important staple good or service that merits pricing restrictions.
I played the base game for about a year with no DLC, no crown items or ESO plus and still had a lot of fun. Overall this game is more fun when there are lots of people playing at the same time (especially PVP and Battlegrounds), so I hope they try some deep discount Steam sales from time to time, say around $4.99 or 7.99 for the base game.
After playing the base game for a while I think a lot of people eventually tend to try at least some crown store item or ESO Plus for access to DLC and craft bag etc. I tried it once solely to get enough crowns for race change, and I liked the crafting bag so much that I have remained a subscriber since then.
Edited by IcyDeadPeople on June 8, 2017 4:35PM0 -
Mephisto939✭✭✭✭the crown store and eso+, but chapters are glorified dlc and should be included in eso+Zeni changed the price modal. There is a lot of controversy on what they have been charging the customer base. Some say it is appropriate for MMO's while others say it has been misleading and frankly not worth the cash. What is the general consensus? I have tried to include what I think will be popular votes, but feel free to comment otherwise and I will adjust accordingly \n ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:
You guys have no fricking clue as to how gifted you are.
Personally I have spent over $7000 US on the biggest MMO.
ESO is currently the BEST AND CHEAPEST form of MMO out there...
Kindly stop the whining
sadly people will continue to whine at least for the next month or so until something else grabs their feeble minds attention. Personal ZoS could say "screw you guys" and go back to a p2p model with paid expansions like some other mmos. OR they could laugh at you and make it so you have to pay REAL cash and not crowns that you bought ON SALE to buy dlc and such. But they do not, they COULD lock free members out of 90% of the game like swtor BUT they don't. People now days especially gamers have become over entitled. I am having a blast with morrowind and for 40 bucks i have gotten over 20 hours of entertainment. Let me put this in to persepctive.
(California prices)
Movie ticket:15-20 bucks deppending on if its atmos/3d ect
Popcorn:6.89
Soda: 6.00
Length of average movie: 2 hours
total for 2 hours of entertainment:22.89-32.89
Morrowind upgrade: 40 USD
Hours of entertainment SO FAR (because unlike most i take my time and enjoy the game): 20 hrs
See the difference here? for 2 hours at the movies i could get morrowind and still be enjoying it for much longer then 2 hrs even if you rush through the content that is still 8-10 hrs.
And for less than the price of a cup of coffee a day I can feed a starving kid in Africa. I really don't see what your rationalization has to do with the price of tea in China. What ZOS did is bait and switch.Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
Apparently to get stuck in an eternal load screen!2 -
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✭✭eso+, but chapters are glorified dlc and the crown store is overpricedFor the jacked up price of Morrowind, which yes, is a glorified DLC (it took me twice as long to do Orsinium's quests and I don't rush), they need to ensure Clockwork City is either given to everyone who purchased Morrowind or is reasonable in price (1500 Crowns).
I'm sorry, but $80CAD for Morrowind Digital CE ($50CAD Digital upgrade), is just waaaaaaay too much for the content we have been given, especially when you compare it to Wrothgar (a DLC of similar size), which was only 3000 Crowns (5000 with Bear Mount etc).
Now a 5500 Crown pack is $49.99 CAD, a 3000 Crown pack is $29.99
So in comparison to Wrothgar, we are paying $20 more for the Digital upgrade and ~$30 more for the Digital CE Edition. At least $10 of that can be reasonably attributed to the emote and special coloured warden bear for the Collector's Edition, leaving Morrowind CE, also $20 more expensive than Orsinium Special Edition.
This is why I feel the Clockwork City DLC should be reasonably priced at 1500 crowns due to it's tie-in with Morrowind, or even included as there is no reason for a $20 over price for a "Chapter" other than pure greed.Far too many characters to list any more.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭everythingfree enterprise and stuff...
Edited by geonsocal on June 8, 2017 5:47PMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place2 -
Darkstorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭eso+,chapters, and mounts, but crown crates target gambling problems and should be removed from a gaming community such as thisFor the most part, I'm okay with expansions being paid for, provided DLC remains as high quality as Huw's Bane, Gold Coast, Wrothgar in the future. I'd see that yearly expac purchase as funding all the other content updates we get for "free". Other big MMOs always charge for content expansions, regardless of whether subs are optional or not, and I can't think of any other MMO providing exploration content updates as regularly as ESO does. Of course, if that pace of content changes, then I'll change my mind.
Crown Store... is usually okay, but this was a tough one. 2500 Crown ice wolf? Awesome, sign me up. 4500 Crown elk? Get ****ed. I'm only barely on the fence about Crown Store these days, so hopefully they lean back towards the fairer end of pricing, especially now that we have:
Crown Crates. These are absolutely disgusting, and I hope the vast majority of ZOS staff secretly feel disgusted to work for a company that enforces them, but are just too happy with their jobs to risk speaking out on. Governments around the world need to step up like China did and label these officially as gambling. Mostly, they need to get the heck out of this game altogether. Double down on the fair business models, ZOS, and abandon Crown Crates.3