Lets get blunt on additional content (general consensus)

jeremybrittain22b14_ESO

People have a problem with other people buying mystery crates ?? is that what crown crates are? If so why do you care if they do it or not? I cant think of an mmo with a cash shop that is free to play that doesnt have those, its their money they can wipe their butt with it if they want its not morally reprehensible to offer those lol, In another mmo i blew a ton of money on those things and learned my lesson and never did it again, if other people like the excitement of the gamble thats natural for some, i dont think they need you to protect them.

Wreuntzylla

I can't comment as I haven't finished the Morrowind content.

However, I will say that there are a few places where the graphics present a world completely different from the rest of Tamriel, or gaming in general, and it drew me in to look around some more. It's been several MMOs, and most of this one, since I had any interest in doing that. Games nowadays are all just cookie cutter worlds being spit out with a different coat of paint.

The game itself has become decent. People that weren't here at release don't know what a disaster the game was. Main quest lines broken, bots harvesting every node from underground, largely identical delve maps, rampant cheat engine use, the stupidity that champion leveling was, and so on. They have fixed most of the early issues and removed much of the very annoying parts of the game.

That being said, my main beef is on the ethical front and the systematic destruction of all the goodwill built up in the franchise. It was warm and fuzzy playing a game where the gaming company actually cared about the game and its players beyond $$$. The complete disdain that sneaks out from ZoS execs like Wrobel is frankly amazing. And don't get me started on all the game features abusive to players. For example, not only is the hero of tamriel second rate to the local yokel town guards, but the guards insult you and you can't do anything about it...

I_killed_Vivec

other

Confusing poll, but maybe because my attitude is different from what you expect.

I don't buy crates, or costumes, or "stuff". So I have no idea if what they are asking for these things is realistic or not. I don't care either - if people are prepared to pay then good for them.

ESO+ would be a good deal, apart from "chapters". The problem is that they starve us of new content so that we are ludicrously happy to get anything.

Vvardenfell isn't a disappointment itself - at least it wouldn't be if expectations weren't so high.

The next DLC? That's when we find out if we've really been stung.

jircris11

other

Mephisto939 wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

vpy wrote: »

Tipsy247 wrote: »

Zeni changed the price modal. There is a lot of controversy on what they have been charging the customer base. Some say it is appropriate for MMO's while others say it has been misleading and frankly not worth the cash. What is the general consensus? I have tried to include what I think will be popular votes, but feel free to comment otherwise and I will adjust accordingly \n ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:

You guys have no fricking clue as to how gifted you are.

Personally I have spent over $7000 US on the biggest MMO.

ESO is currently the BEST AND CHEAPEST form of MMO out there...

Kindly stop the whining

sadly people will continue to whine at least for the next month or so until something else grabs their feeble minds attention. Personal ZoS could say "screw you guys" and go back to a p2p model with paid expansions like some other mmos. OR they could laugh at you and make it so you have to pay REAL cash and not crowns that you bought ON SALE to buy dlc and such. But they do not, they COULD lock free members out of 90% of the game like swtor BUT they don't. People now days especially gamers have become over entitled. I am having a blast with morrowind and for 40 bucks i have gotten over 20 hours of entertainment. Let me put this in to persepctive.

(California prices)

Movie ticket:15-20 bucks deppending on if its atmos/3d ect
Popcorn:6.89
Soda: 6.00
Length of average movie: 2 hours

total for 2 hours of entertainment:22.89-32.89

Morrowind upgrade: 40 USD
Hours of entertainment SO FAR (because unlike most i take my time and enjoy the game): 20 hrs

See the difference here? for 2 hours at the movies i could get morrowind and still be enjoying it for much longer then 2 hrs even if you rush through the content that is still 8-10 hrs.

And for less than the price of a cup of coffee a day I can feed a starving kid in Africa. I really don't see what your rationalization has to do with the price of tea in China. What ZOS did is bait and switch.

tea in china? where did i even say that? seems you are lacking the basic fundamentals of reading. something you may wish to learn quickly or you will not get far in life.

Kodrac

Did someone say blunt? You sharing?

jircris11

other

Kodrac wrote: »

Did someone say blunt? You sharing?

OP seems more of a puff puff mine type :P

JackDaniell

eso+,chapters, and mounts, but crown crates target gambling problems and should be removed from a gaming community such as this

I hate gambling, more often then not it leads to people loosing money. In my mind crown crates are akin to 10$ slot machines that you always loose on. This just takes advantage of peoples money while hardly or never rewarding them.

Fun fact, in China it is ILLEGAL for a gaming company to have a gambling function in it without showing you your EXACT chance of winning each prize.

I hate the crownstore, not just for the dumb insanly overpriced cosmetic garbage (30$ for an in game mount?!?) and borderline p2w things only available in crownstore (banker, merchant), but mostly because it steels from the playerbase. This system is great for taking advantage of player who just don't know better (new players especially who may not understand that spending crows on potions is a huge *** waste of money).

This store is a desperate cash grab by ZOS, just a move by a company that wants to make money and has abandoned it's morals (just check out all those lore friendly mounts and pets!).

Sorry for the page but as a 3 year vet, it socks to see ESO go down this *** road.

Megabear

eso+, but chapters are glorified dlc and the crown store is overpriced

This poll is very confusing.

max_only

Reading the little paragraph before the poll is sometimes skipped. Therefore the poll title should be:

ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:

Instead of

Lets get blunt on additional content (general consensus)

That way the sentence fragment flows into the options. Furthermore the poll is leading because most options assume a positive "Zos is in the right" and require people who disagree with them being in the right to think of a negative ending. This is counterintuitive to everyday conversation. We usually make statements asserting how we feel in the beginning not in the end. "I'll completely apologize.... for absolutely nothing" is not the same as "I'm not going to apologize." Just an observation.

R0C95

the crown store and eso+, but chapters are glorified dlc and should be included in eso+

Belidos wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

vpy wrote: »

Tipsy247 wrote: »

Zeni changed the price modal. There is a lot of controversy on what they have been charging the customer base. Some say it is appropriate for MMO's while others say it has been misleading and frankly not worth the cash. What is the general consensus? I have tried to include what I think will be popular votes, but feel free to comment otherwise and I will adjust accordingly \n ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:

Personally I have spent over $7000 US on the biggest MMO.

Irrelevant, and you voted the opposite of the point you were trying to make, although to be fair OP worded it very poorly.

Yup, the OP has written a very bad poll, it's very unclear what the options mean in relation to the issue, in fact it's kind of vague what the issue really is, he's preambled about the lead up to and effects of the issue, but not clearly defined the actual issue, he needs to add an actual tag line that the answers relate to, ie "how would you like ESO monetized?" etc.

Ummm... I read it just fine?

snakester320

other

Haven't brought morrowind and nor will I but to then charge for chapters so I've read is getting out of hand to charge full price for a expan half arsed done then charge more for the other bits of it ..
Seems to me like a dogs act and excessive greed but then that said people are so naive throwing money at the game that at this point ZOS could charge idiots $400 in any currency for something stupid and they would pay!!
It's rather amusing that there's a lot of ppl stinky at this but will gamble on crates or spend 18k crowns on a non functional island housing ... etc

cabbageub17_ESO

eso+,chapters, and mounts, but crown crates target gambling problems and should be removed from a gaming community such as this

I'm fine with the chapter system but think they are a tad overpriced and you should 100% get 2 character slots with the purchase of a chapter that introduces a new class type. Crown crates are total garbage and vaguely offensive. I'm happy to buy something in the crown store but the gamble crates are pretty crass. Also not too fond of the timed items in the crown store.

Korah_Eaglecry

other

My biggest problem with the issue is simply that they continue to go back on things they promise. I dont have a problem paying for Morrowind. Whether they were going to call it a Chapter or DLC I was still going to buy the Collectors Edition. I have a sub, for two years now, with only breaks during the first year on PC. And Ive bought all of the DLC outright.

And while Morrowind is great. Nothing besides the new class that is literally attached to the Morrowind storyline through its tutorial in my opinion is "expansion" worthy. Its a nice cool zone. But in a month it will experience the same exodus that every other DLC has experienced. And the only people still roaming the zone will be looking to farm the new gear and motifs. Had they simply sold Morrowind as a DLC and just slapped all the goodies onto Special and Collectors (Digital/Physical) Editions. Theyd have made more than enough money. Nostalgia was always going to play a part in that sale. But those suits saw nothing but dollar signs and it blinded them to every mistake they were going to make between February and now.

Korah_Eaglecry

other

jeremybrittain22b14_ESO wrote: »

People have a problem with other people buying mystery crates ?? is that what crown crates are? If so why do you care if they do it or not? I cant think of an mmo with a cash shop that is free to play that doesnt have those, its their money they can wipe their butt with it if they want its not morally reprehensible to offer those lol, In another mmo i blew a ton of money on those things and learned my lesson and never did it again, if other people like the excitement of the gamble thats natural for some, i dont think they need you to protect them.

1.) This game is not F2P.

2.) Most of the people upset with the Crown Crates are not upset with others buying the Crates but the fact that the crates drive resources away from Content and back into the Crates. They are resource black holes.

3.) The complaint about them being exploitive is directed at the fact that people unlike you have an addiction to gambling much like you can have an addiction to drugs or alcohol. It might not kill your liver or you might not overdose on it. But gambling has a nasty habit of destroying lives. You might say something like "Well, thats on them." But what of their families? Do they deserve to come home and find out none of the bills have been paid? That theres not enough money in the bank to fill the fridge and now little mikey and sarah have to go hungry?

Balamoor

Bouldercleave

other

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jeremybrittain22b14_ESO wrote: »

People have a problem with other people buying mystery crates ?? is that what crown crates are? If so why do you care if they do it or not? I cant think of an mmo with a cash shop that is free to play that doesnt have those, its their money they can wipe their butt with it if they want its not morally reprehensible to offer those lol, In another mmo i blew a ton of money on those things and learned my lesson and never did it again, if other people like the excitement of the gamble thats natural for some, i dont think they need you to protect them.

1.) This game is not F2P.

2.) Most of the people upset with the Crown Crates are not upset with others buying the Crates but the fact that the crates drive resources away from Content and back into the Crates. They are resource black holes.

3.) The complaint about them being exploitive is directed at the fact that people unlike you have an addiction to gambling much like you can have an addiction to drugs or alcohol. It might not kill your liver or you might not overdose on it. But gambling has a nasty habit of destroying lives. You might say something like "Well, thats on them." But what of their families? Do they deserve to come home and find out none of the bills have been paid? That theres not enough money in the bank to fill the fridge and now little mikey and sarah have to go hungry?

Sorry, but I don't have the time, energy, or desire to take care of everyone's "special" needs on the planet.

Mikey and Sarah will just have to figure things out for themselves. I did and turned out just fine.

jeremybrittain22b14_ESO

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jeremybrittain22b14_ESO wrote: »

People have a problem with other people buying mystery crates ?? is that what crown crates are? If so why do you care if they do it or not? I cant think of an mmo with a cash shop that is free to play that doesnt have those, its their money they can wipe their butt with it if they want its not morally reprehensible to offer those lol, In another mmo i blew a ton of money on those things and learned my lesson and never did it again, if other people like the excitement of the gamble thats natural for some, i dont think they need you to protect them.

1.) This game is not F2P.

2.) Most of the people upset with the Crown Crates are not upset with others buying the Crates but the fact that the crates drive resources away from Content and back into the Crates. They are resource black holes.

3.) The complaint about them being exploitive is directed at the fact that people unlike you have an addiction to gambling much like you can have an addiction to drugs or alcohol. It might not kill your liver or you might not overdose on it. But gambling has a nasty habit of destroying lives. You might say something like "Well, thats on them." But what of their families? Do they deserve to come home and find out none of the bills have been paid? That theres not enough money in the bank to fill the fridge and now little mikey and sarah have to go hungry?

Sorry, but I don't have the time, energy, or desire to take care of everyone's "special" needs on the planet.

Mikey and Sarah will just have to figure things out for themselves. I did and turned out just fine.

Exactly, it isnt on zenimax to make sure people make the proper decisions in real life, also yeah you're right its buy 2 play is anything in those crates something that increases player power? And to everyone talking about chinese laws lmfao do you want to be forced to abort a female child because the chinese government says so? like dont try to lump chinese laws in with "good morals"

Uncle_Sweetshare

everything

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

I think the prices they charge are fair, however the content they're releasing feels incomplete (just look at Battlegrounds). I'd be willing to pay more if they actually fixed their products.

Excatly what this guy said.

I'm perfectly fine with ZOS business model change. They are a business and as a business must have money to sustain and grow.

However the quality or lack of quality we are getting at these prices. From time to time leaves for with a sour taste in my mouth. The biggest examples are Imperial City dlc and then Battlegrounds in Morrowind. Had I been one of these poor people who rely on ESO for my player vs player fixes. I'd throw a fit, unsubscribed, and then write a few big nice reviews on how practically ZOS ripped me off with misleading advertisements.

However since finding out about the MOBA genre, more so Smite and Paragon. This is not the case for me. So I am not ready to throw a fit. And so far Morrowind outside of the PvP portion. Has been every bit of what I was expecting in a MMO of todays time.

PvPers just frankly needs to come to terms. With the fact MMO companies will never push for decent PvP in this day and age. MMOs have retired themselves as a PvE genre, with maybe minimal PvP support. There are other genres out for PvP oriented players.

You don't go to a McDonald for a high quality steak dinner. So, why would you come to a PvE focused genre, for high quality PvP action? But I guess some fokes will never learn. And these are the fokes that these companies prey on.

Because plenty of other MMOs have made PvP enjoyable.

GW1 - Had a PvP arena from the start (the company name is ArenaNet for crying out loud) that provided competitive PvP for almost 10 years.
WoW - Took a while to implement a PvP arena and battlegrounds, but PvP was open world anyways, so you could kill people for taking a node in your rotation (something I certainly wish I could do in ESO at times).
GW2 - Had 3 different forms of PvP, but most importantly the PvP arenas were extremely enjoyable. You could easily level a character to max level through PvP alone, and in the same time it would take to level a character via PvE. Unfortunately I found the other content (PvE) to get stale after a few months.
TERA - Also had numerous forms of PvP, from open world, to large battlegrounds, to arenas. All of it was extremely enjoyable, but game went P2W.
AA - Numerous forms of PvP, probably did PvP better than any other MMO, however game was EXTREMELY P2W, and now servers consist of about 100 players that have all dumped $50,000+ into the game.
BDO - Absolutely phenomenal action packed open world PvP, however the game is a straight organ grinder. You could spend 300 hours grinding for a single item, you finally get it, go to upgrade it, it fails and blows up, now you have no item and you have to start from scratch.

And those are just the MMOs I've played recently.

The reason PvP is so popular in MMOs is because it's not just (since you were comparing it to MOBAs) spawn in, go to lane, farm creeps, buy a few items, win/lose game, start all over again next game. In MMOs there is permanent progression, and it makes PvP so much more rewarding when you kill someone with your hard earned gear and well thought out builds. I can go and enjoy the other aspects of the game such as exploring, dungeons, and even questing, but when the mood strikes, I can go slaughter some people and teabag their corpses.

Truth be told, I didn't come to ESO with any expectations, but now that I've been playing for a few months, I hold the game to certain standards (such as a functioning Battlegrounds with features that every other PvP arena has had for the past 20 years). I know I'm a broken record with trying to get Battlegrounds fixed, but it's because ESO is the first MMO I've played in a very long time that could hold my attention outside of PvP, and it sucks that ZOS is completely ignoring us.

I've been trying to get their attention for 9 days now regarding Battlegrounds. I've spent well over 30 hours now compiling the list of bugs and missing features for my Battlegrounds thread. I've spent close to 2 hours (for something that takes less than 5 minutes to do) on social media tagging ZOS, the devs, and the CMs, and another 2 hours submitting support feedback tickets, and they still have yet to respond. Had these been my employees, they all would have been out of a job a long time ago, but they're not, so I'm stuck writing out things that @ZOS_RichLambert and @ZOS_BrianWheeler should have incorporated from the start, and hoping they pull their head out from their arses long enough to do their job properly.

Am I being a bit harsh and overdramatic? Maybe, but you'd be too if you've been working on this like a full time job for the past week trying to get someone's attention, only to be continuously ignored.

SwimsWithMemes

the crown store and eso+, but chapters are glorified dlc and should be included in eso+

Selling Morrowind as a separate "Chapter" is fine, cool, whatever. They are changing their business model, they gave us 6 months notice.

I really feel like ZOS should be consistent with their pricing and editions of the game. Make it so that buying Morrowind gives you all the previous content, and a sub gives you access to the next lot of content until the next Chapter drops, then it repeats etc.

Otherwise in 2 years time we will have weird DLC requirements - is this a Chapter 2 DLC? Do I need previous Chapters to buy it? This Dungeon DLC is only available in Chapter 1 regions, but I can get it with ESO+ and not the main content?

Furthermore, if you are going to sell your xpac at full price, then make sure it works. Use your PTR, have a full weekly overhaul. Battlegrounds have been broken for at least a month, and they are one of the 3 new things in Morrowind!

Vapirko

other

I think ESO+ should have covered Morrowind. It covered Wrothgar with vMA and there's really not much more content in Morrowind. We pay more than enough to be granted that, especially considering how little we really get as ESO subscribers and the massive amount of bugs in this game. Take a look at the forum posts right now, nearly every third thread is often a bug thread in recent discussion topics.

Crown store is up to the individual, it's certainly capitalizing on addictive personalities but so are most products in some form or another.

S1ipperyJim

eso+, but chapters are glorified dlc and the crown store is overpriced

vpy wrote: »

Tipsy247 wrote: »

Zeni changed the price modal. There is a lot of controversy on what they have been charging the customer base. Some say it is appropriate for MMO's while others say it has been misleading and frankly not worth the cash. What is the general consensus? I have tried to include what I think will be popular votes, but feel free to comment otherwise and I will adjust accordingly \n ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:

You guys have no fricking clue as to how gifted you are.

Personally I have spent over $7000 US on the biggest MMO.

ESO is currently the BEST AND CHEAPEST form of MMO out there...

Kindly stop the whining

Based on your comment, if you voted "nothing" I don't think you understood the survey

S1ipperyJim

eso+, but chapters are glorified dlc and the crown store is overpriced

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Right and Fair? Please. These terms don't exist in the real world.

It's their company and they have the right to charge whatever they want FOR whatever they want.

I don't know where you work but you're wrong. There are price gouging laws and consumer protection regulations in most countries.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Poll is confusing. Here is what I want, which is what was promised.

From this article from MMORPG.com with Mat Firor from February 20, 2015.

Here are some of the highlights for those of you that don't like clicking on things. Bolded parts are added by me when I chuckled, rolled my eyes, or face palmed.

MMORPG.com: How often can we see items being added or removed to/from the item shop?
A: We don’t have a firm fixed cadence yet, but expect to see rotation of inventory at least monthly, if not more often. We’ll have some limited time offers once in a while, etc.

MMORPG.com: Being a subscriber, players will receive anywhere from 1500, 4500, or 9000 crowns depending on which subscription option they choose but how much is that really. Obviously it depends on the item purchase but what would be the average or ball parked crown price for a costume, mount, and potions.
A: You can see the ballpark prices on PTS right now. We may adjust them a bit here and there over time, but you can get the general idea. Mounts are from 900-1300 (or more for a really special one), pets are 400-700, etc.

MMORPG.com: While being an ESO Plus member, we’ll have access to all the DLC content that is released for free. Does this include any future expansions should ESO ever have them?
A: When you are a Plus member, you get access to all the DLC that is available when you are a member. So over time you’ll get access to more and more areas by being a member.

Mounts from 900-1300. Subscriber access to incoming areas. And, of course, FULL SIZED 4DLCs/year. Does that sound like the ESO we have today?

S1ipperyJim

eso+, but chapters are glorified dlc and the crown store is overpriced

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

MMORPG.com: While being an ESO Plus member, we’ll have access to all the DLC content that is released for free. Does this include any future expansions should ESO ever have them?
A: When you are a Plus member, you get access to all the DLC that is available when you are a member. So over time you’ll get access to more and more areas by being a member.

Wow, that last quote really triggers me, talk about misleading.

Time to flip through my little book of calm and go to my happy place for a while...

Faulgor

other

What actually upsets me about these constant changes is that it lead to something they initially claimed to want to avoid at all cost, that is segregating players and gating content.

At least when they changed to B2P, you still got access to all content once you subscribed. So it didn't create much of an issue that you could buy new DLC piece by piece, because for subscribers basically nothing changed.

Now, everything feels like a mess.

How can you easily communicate to someone what they need to pay for what and where to access content in the game?
There is the base game, special editions with the base game plus DLC, the base game plus a chapter, individual DLCs, DLCs that are included in your subscription, chapter upgrades for your base game ... and that's just the actual content, not even talking about crown store stuff, where some stuff can be bought directly, some stuff once was in the store but has been removed, some stuff only comes in gamble crates, which are limited as well ...
Just yesterday some new player in a starting zone was marveling my Dragon Warrior costume, asking me where to find that armor, and I had to tell him that it was no longer available from the cash shop. Great incentinve right there for him to keep playing.

ESO has been cut into pieces, and it netching sucks.

DaiKahn

other

My actual answer is "Everything" but the caveat being the Crown Store is reasonably priced most-of-the-time, else times it's completely bonkers. There is no real in-between

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Faulgor wrote: »

What actually upsets me about these constant changes is that it lead to something they initially claimed to want to avoid at all cost, that is segregating players and gating content.

From a forbes article 2013

"Charging a flat monthly (or subscription) fee means that we will offer players the game we set out to make, and the one that fans want to play. Going with any other model meant that we would have to make sacrifices and changes we weren't willing to make."

-Matt Firor

It gets better.

When you're in an Elder Scrolls game, you're in a world. We don't want players to hit monetization fees when they're in the world. It's like, I go into a dungeon, if I don't have access to the dungeon is pops up a window: you don't have access to this, go buy 50 credits. We didn't want that experience. That's not an Elder Scrolls experience.

SOURCE

Fodore

everything

Tipsy247 wrote: »

Uncle_Sweetshare wrote: »

vpy wrote: »

Tipsy247 wrote: »

Zeni changed the price modal. There is a lot of controversy on what they have been charging the customer base. Some say it is appropriate for MMO's while others say it has been misleading and frankly not worth the cash. What is the general consensus? I have tried to include what I think will be popular votes, but feel free to comment otherwise and I will adjust accordingly \n ZOS is in the right and being fair to charge the prices they do for:

Personally I have spent over $7000 US on the biggest MMO.

Irrelevant, and you voted the opposite of the point you were trying to make, although to be fair OP worded it very poorly.

How bout some constructive criticism? I am not trying to say things poorly. How would you like me to change the wording and why?

Just at the end of the paragraph, put the end question we are supposed to answer in bold, like. "How much of ESO is reasonably priced" or something similar

TalonKnight

eso+, but chapters are glorified dlc and the crown store is overpriced

Movie ticket:15-20 bucks deppending on if its atmos/3d ect
Popcorn:6.89
Soda: 6.00
Length of average movie: 2 hours

total for 2 hours of entertainment:22.89-32.89

Using a movie, and soda, and popcorn as point is understandable, but when you factor in that most movies that someone may choose to watch at the theater are masterpiece works of art, very well done, and the popcorn is good, and the soda bubbly.

You may have an over charged, but happy customer....

With morrowind we have a shoddily done, texture missing glitchy mess, where half of the buying point doesn't work ie qing for battlegrounds.

Now zos has an over charged irritated customer, and rightfully so....

Uncle_Sweetshare

everything

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

When you're in an Elder Scrolls game, you're in a world. We don't want players to hit monetization fees when they're in the world. It's like, I go into a dungeon, if I don't have access to the dungeon is pops up a window: you don't have access to this, go buy 50 credits. We didn't want that experience. That's not an Elder Scrolls experience.

SOURCE

This is pure gold.

What really gets my jimmies rustled is Battlegrounds (even though it's bugged and incomplete) is behind a pay wall. A new area? Sure, I can understand that. A new class? Alright, that makes sense. But a new game mode? Come on ZOS, you're limiting the amount of players that can PvP in an arena? No other MMO has done that.

In fact, the only recent game I can think of that did that was The Division, and that game is dead because of it.