Lore Wise, what is the strongest Alliance?

Enslaved · June 2017

EP was forged in war against Akaviri invaders. And EP has Nords on their side. AD is full of crap and goal of their alliance is destruction of Nirn. Altmer has least population on Tamriel and they use what they see as mindless beasts to die for their goals. DC is bunch of merchants yelling on their servants to bring them more gold. Well, that is what lore has to say about all 3 alliances.

Silver_Strider · June 2017

If we go for Pure Strength
EP
3 living gods and Numidium. No other alliance can top that and even if they are not directly involved in the War, this is still an asset that EP has as an absolute last resort because I honestly doubt the Tribunal will allow anyone to actively try interfering in the Dunmer people's affairs.

If we go for Strength by Unity
AD
Their union lasted up til Numidium came in like a wrecking ball and even after, reestablish themselves further down the line.

apostate9 · June 2017

None of them, they all ultimately, lose and become footnotes in history.

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2017

Silver_Strider wrote: »

If we go for Pure Strength
EP
3 living gods and Numidium. No other alliance can top that and even if they are not directly involved in the War, this is still an asset that EP has as an absolute last resort because I honestly doubt the Tribunal will allow anyone to actively try interfering in the Dunmer people's affairs.

If we go for Strength by Unity
AD
Their union lasted up til Numidium came in like a wrecking ball and even after, reestablish themselves further down the line.

The Union did not last up til Numidiums appearance. That was the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. Which was mostly just the Altmer and Bosmer with the Khajiiti Confederacy striking a diplomatic deal with them. This Alliance does not make it so far.

Onefrkncrzypope · June 2017

Silver_Strider wrote: »

If we go for Pure Strength
EP
3 living gods and Numidium. No other alliance can top that and even if they are not directly involved in the War, this is still an asset that EP has as an absolute last resort because I honestly doubt the Tribunal will allow anyone to actively try interfering in the Dunmer people's affairs.

If we go for Strength by Unity
AD
Their union lasted up til Numidium came in like a wrecking ball and even after, reestablish themselves further down the line.

Uh there are 2 different aldmeri dominions...

Edit: nope there were 3 ADs

Drachenfier · June 2017

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Daggerfall Covenent.

Why? Tiber Septim.

Talos was born in the Kingdom of Alciare in High Rock. His birth name was Hjalti Early-Beard. This is not only confirmed in the Arcturian Heresey, but stay in Tiber Septim's room in that Inn in Skyrim at Old Hroldren, and the Ghost of Talos's best friend appears their calling you "Hjalti" which confirms the PC in the game is a reincarnation of Talos pretty much. Since this confirms Talo's Birth name, this confirms his birthplace as High Rock, as Nord's later bowed and swore loyalty to him after their defeat at Sancre Tor, thus the Nord's adopted him as their own due to his use of Storm Voice also known as "The Voice".

Talos birthplace is further confirmed by the Ghost of Old Hroldran as he says:

"It's been an honor to serve you, brother. Remembers our lessons from the sword masters of Alcaire? Let me show you a few things you may have forgotten before we leave Hroldan."

This confirms the account of the Arcturian Hersey as Talos grew up in High Rock and did indeed learn his swordplay from the masters of Alcaire

So pretty much Talos assembles whats left of a defeated and demoralized Daggerfall Covenent, teams up with Cuhlecain, and defeats whats left of the Ebonheart Pact and the Dominion forming the 3rd era Septim dynasty.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Arcturian_Heresy

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Battle_of_Sancre_Tor

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Ghost_of_Old_Hroldan

He was born in alciare. That doesn't decide race in ESO. Hjalti early bearded isn't a Breton name. That nomiclature is most familiar in Nord society.

Yea, if his birth name was Hjalti Early-beard he was a Nord.

Silver_Strider · June 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

If we go for Pure Strength
EP
3 living gods and Numidium. No other alliance can top that and even if they are not directly involved in the War, this is still an asset that EP has as an absolute last resort because I honestly doubt the Tribunal will allow anyone to actively try interfering in the Dunmer people's affairs.

If we go for Strength by Unity
AD
Their union lasted up til Numidium came in like a wrecking ball and even after, reestablish themselves further down the line.

The Union did not last up til Numidiums appearance. That was the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. Which was mostly just the Altmer and Bosmer with the Khajiiti Confederacy striking a diplomatic deal with them. This Alliance does not make it so far.

Regardless of how it came to be, it is still a union of Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit under a unified Agency called the Aldmeri Dominion. It persisted in name, just the purpose and message altered.

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2017

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

If we go for Pure Strength
EP
3 living gods and Numidium. No other alliance can top that and even if they are not directly involved in the War, this is still an asset that EP has as an absolute last resort because I honestly doubt the Tribunal will allow anyone to actively try interfering in the Dunmer people's affairs.

If we go for Strength by Unity
AD
Their union lasted up til Numidium came in like a wrecking ball and even after, reestablish themselves further down the line.

The Union did not last up til Numidiums appearance. That was the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. Which was mostly just the Altmer and Bosmer with the Khajiiti Confederacy striking a diplomatic deal with them. This Alliance does not make it so far.

Regardless of how it came to be, it is still a union of Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit under a unified Agency called the Aldmeri Dominion. It persisted in name, just the purpose and message altered.

It did not persist. The AD of 2E 582 is not the AD of 2E 830. Its why the AD of 2E 830 is known as the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. As in not the 1st.

Publius_Scipio · June 2017

Probably the Covenant. Those races are pretty battleworthy. Most argonians are scared of their own shadow. And the khajiit are lazy drug addicts.

hmsdragonfly · June 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The AD is too young and still very much at odds with each other for them to really be the strongest. The Veiled Heritance and the corruption of the Mane are signs that the AD are teetering on collapse. This isnt to say theyll always be this way or wont eventually rise to be as formidable as the other two alliances. But theyre still consolidating power as of 2E 582.

The Dominion is actually the only one that survived the test of time (as in, "didn't collapse"), it lasted up until Tiber Septim (2E 830), while Covenant dissolved right after Emeric and we all know that as an alliance, Pact is a joke. If Tiber Septim hadn't invaded, Dominion would even have lasted longer.

While the Altmer are haughty, it's nothing compared to the deep hatred like between Nord/Dunmer/Argonian or Breton/Redguard/Orc. Dominion is actually held together by respect, the Altmer saved the Khajiit from the Knahaten Flu, their leaders meet in person and work together to make plans and solve their issues. When the Bosmer are in trouble, you see Queen Aryenn and the Mane in Eldenroot. When the Khajiit are in trouble, you see Queen Aryenn and the Silvenar in Dune, right in the front line. Guess where Emeric was when the Redguard were in trouble? You know it, in his bedroom with his wife. The Orc don't even allow any Breton army to set foot on Wrothgar. They hate eachother that much.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Eagle_and_the_Cat

hmsdragonfly · June 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

If we go for Pure Strength
EP
3 living gods and Numidium. No other alliance can top that and even if they are not directly involved in the War, this is still an asset that EP has as an absolute last resort because I honestly doubt the Tribunal will allow anyone to actively try interfering in the Dunmer people's affairs.

If we go for Strength by Unity
AD
Their union lasted up til Numidium came in like a wrecking ball and even after, reestablish themselves further down the line.

The Union did not last up til Numidiums appearance. That was the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. Which was mostly just the Altmer and Bosmer with the Khajiiti Confederacy striking a diplomatic deal with them. This Alliance does not make it so far.

Regardless of how it came to be, it is still a union of Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit under a unified Agency called the Aldmeri Dominion. It persisted in name, just the purpose and message altered.

It did not persist. The AD of 2E 582 is not the AD of 2E 830. Its why the AD of 2E 830 is known as the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. As in not the 1st.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Aldmeri_Dominion

Onefrkncrzypope · June 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

If we go for Pure Strength
EP
3 living gods and Numidium. No other alliance can top that and even if they are not directly involved in the War, this is still an asset that EP has as an absolute last resort because I honestly doubt the Tribunal will allow anyone to actively try interfering in the Dunmer people's affairs.

If we go for Strength by Unity
AD
Their union lasted up til Numidium came in like a wrecking ball and even after, reestablish themselves further down the line.

The Union did not last up til Numidiums appearance. That was the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. Which was mostly just the Altmer and Bosmer with the Khajiiti Confederacy striking a diplomatic deal with them. This Alliance does not make it so far.

Regardless of how it came to be, it is still a union of Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit under a unified Agency called the Aldmeri Dominion. It persisted in name, just the purpose and message altered.

It did not persist. The AD of 2E 582 is not the AD of 2E 830. Its why the AD of 2E 830 is known as the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. As in not the 1st.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Aldmeri_Dominion

the first sentenced stated that the 2nd AD started in 830 so yeah not the same still

Magıc · June 2017

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Daggerfall Covenent.

Why? Tiber Septim.

Talos was born in the Kingdom of Alciare in High Rock. His birth name was Hjalti Early-Beard. This is not only confirmed in the Arcturian Heresey, but stay in Tiber Septim's room in that Inn in Skyrim at Old Hroldren, and the Ghost of Talos's best friend appears their calling you "Hjalti" which confirms the PC in the game is a reincarnation of Talos pretty much. Since this confirms Talo's Birth name, this confirms his birthplace as High Rock, as Nord's later bowed and swore loyalty to him after their defeat at Sancre Tor, thus the Nord's adopted him as their own due to his use of Storm Voice also known as "The Voice".

Talos birthplace is further confirmed by the Ghost of Old Hroldran as he says:

"It's been an honor to serve you, brother. Remembers our lessons from the sword masters of Alcaire? Let me show you a few things you may have forgotten before we leave Hroldan."

This confirms the account of the Arcturian Hersey as Talos grew up in High Rock and did indeed learn his swordplay from the masters of Alcaire

So pretty much Talos assembles whats left of a defeated and demoralized Daggerfall Covenent, teams up with Cuhlecain, and defeats whats left of the Ebonheart Pact and the Dominion forming the 3rd era Septim dynasty.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Arcturian_Heresy

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Battle_of_Sancre_Tor

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Ghost_of_Old_Hroldan

You realise Hjalti Early-Beard is a Nord name right? He may have been born in Alcaire, but he was very much a Nord with that name. @RinaldoGandolphi

Bonzodog01 · June 2017

Has anyone not noticed that this thread is Zombified, and some serious necromancy has been performed?

Necromancy is illegal in Tamriel, and I hope the authorities have noticed the sudden outbreak of undead around here.

Strider_Roshin · June 2017

Panda244 wrote: »

WhiskyBob wrote: »

Well:
Aldmeri Dominion is the only one that will survive the test of time (it exists f.e. in Skyrim)
Ebonheart Pact however gave us Talos.

Talos>Thalmor *** anytiem.

@WhiskyBob Talos is a Breton. I know, I know. I ruined your life. But it's true.

He was referred to as a Nord by the priest in Whiterun.

hmsdragonfly · June 2017

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

If we go for Pure Strength
EP
3 living gods and Numidium. No other alliance can top that and even if they are not directly involved in the War, this is still an asset that EP has as an absolute last resort because I honestly doubt the Tribunal will allow anyone to actively try interfering in the Dunmer people's affairs.

If we go for Strength by Unity
AD
Their union lasted up til Numidium came in like a wrecking ball and even after, reestablish themselves further down the line.

The Union did not last up til Numidiums appearance. That was the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. Which was mostly just the Altmer and Bosmer with the Khajiiti Confederacy striking a diplomatic deal with them. This Alliance does not make it so far.

Regardless of how it came to be, it is still a union of Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit under a unified Agency called the Aldmeri Dominion. It persisted in name, just the purpose and message altered.

It did not persist. The AD of 2E 582 is not the AD of 2E 830. Its why the AD of 2E 830 is known as the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. As in not the 1st.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Aldmeri_Dominion

the first sentenced stated that the 2nd AD started in 830 so yeah not the same still

Yes, but it's still an alliance of Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit, they only change their leaders, and it happened right after the Interregnum.

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

If we go for Pure Strength
EP
3 living gods and Numidium. No other alliance can top that and even if they are not directly involved in the War, this is still an asset that EP has as an absolute last resort because I honestly doubt the Tribunal will allow anyone to actively try interfering in the Dunmer people's affairs.

If we go for Strength by Unity
AD
Their union lasted up til Numidium came in like a wrecking ball and even after, reestablish themselves further down the line.

The Union did not last up til Numidiums appearance. That was the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. Which was mostly just the Altmer and Bosmer with the Khajiiti Confederacy striking a diplomatic deal with them. This Alliance does not make it so far.

Regardless of how it came to be, it is still a union of Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit under a unified Agency called the Aldmeri Dominion. It persisted in name, just the purpose and message altered.

It did not persist. The AD of 2E 582 is not the AD of 2E 830. Its why the AD of 2E 830 is known as the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. As in not the 1st.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Aldmeri_Dominion

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Aldmeri_Dominion

JWKe · June 2017

The Alliance under the leadership of King Varian was near unstoppable.

ShedsHisTail · June 2017

JWKe wrote: »

The Alliance under the leadership of King Varian was near unstoppable.

Take your World of Warcraft nonsense, elsewhere.

Artis · June 2017

Rylana wrote: »

The First Admeri Dominion ultimately "wins" the war, but then dissolves amid chaos leading to the rise of the next Empire..

Prooflink, please. Very interesting.

Then again, what happens in 300 years from now is irrelevant and not really written in detail. As of right now, during the times of ESO, DC seems to be the strongest. AD has Knahaten Flu all over elsweyr, bosmer lost their walking tree. EP is too unstable, with traditional dunmer and argonians still hating each other + there is all that thing going on with illegal slavery + Vvardenfel just had this whole story with Vivec almost dropping Baar Dau on the island. On the other hand, nothing global is happening in DC, except for a short conflict in Orsinium where a king was changed with the help of Vestige.

I think, we'll see what the next chapter brings us. The conflict between Daedric princes (or whatever that preview quest was talking about) will most certainly result in something on Nirn that can change the balance.

JimT722 · June 2017

I would have to go with the Aldmeri Dominion. They are still around after this and end up rivaling the Empire in strength.

mikeabboudb14_ESO · June 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

WhiskyBob wrote: »

Well:
Aldmeri Dominion is the only one that will survive the test of time (it exists f.e. in Skyrim)

It actually doesn't though. At the very latest, the Aldmeri Dominion gets crushed at the start of the third era. Possibly much earlier.

After the Oblivion Crisis at the end of the third era, a new group emerges, brands itself the Thalmor and sets about building a new Dominion. But, it's not the same organization, and there's no continuity between them.

So, the Aldmeri Dominion in the fourth era (The one you see when playing Skyrim) has no real connection with the Second Era Dominion. They borrowed the name of something grand in order to mask their own racism.

This can be said of the "empire " as well.

When i think of the AD i think of the domination of the alt mer. They do stand the test of time.

hmsdragonfly · June 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

If we go for Pure Strength
EP
3 living gods and Numidium. No other alliance can top that and even if they are not directly involved in the War, this is still an asset that EP has as an absolute last resort because I honestly doubt the Tribunal will allow anyone to actively try interfering in the Dunmer people's affairs.

If we go for Strength by Unity
AD
Their union lasted up til Numidium came in like a wrecking ball and even after, reestablish themselves further down the line.

The Union did not last up til Numidiums appearance. That was the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. Which was mostly just the Altmer and Bosmer with the Khajiiti Confederacy striking a diplomatic deal with them. This Alliance does not make it so far.

Regardless of how it came to be, it is still a union of Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit under a unified Agency called the Aldmeri Dominion. It persisted in name, just the purpose and message altered.

It did not persist. The AD of 2E 582 is not the AD of 2E 830. Its why the AD of 2E 830 is known as the 2nd Aldmeri Dominion. As in not the 1st.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Aldmeri_Dominion

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Aldmeri_Dominion

You are right, I always thought the 2nd Dominion is the one in ESO, the Third is the one in E4. Silly me.

On the bright side, both are alliances of Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit. They don't have much beef against each other and team up quite frequently, well at least compared to the Covenant and the Pact.

mikeabboudb14_ESO · June 2017

apostate9 wrote: »

None of them, they all ultimately, lose and become footnotes in history.

all history is a foot note to other history.

lihentian · June 2017

ad is the strongest.. and the reason is very simple.

breton orc and redguard are constantly at war with each other, so is dark elf, nord and lizard.

while high elf, bosmer and cat rarely had war, mostly at peace with one another.

notimetocare · June 2017

Panda244 wrote: »

The Aldmeri Dominion is technically the "strongest" as they have a great military, a great navy, great politics and support for one another, the Ebonheart Pact is a legitimate joke, they all want to stab each other, and the Covenant, is either on par with the Aldmeri Dominion, or slightly below it, as far as political and economical strength goes....

Technically. Technically. The Imperials still win this war, but they cheated with the Numidium and what not

But aye, the Aldmeri Dominion is definitely the strongest, sturdiest, Alliance there is. Having the largest navy, means they can easily bring ships up the river leading into Cyrodiil and resupply along that, as well as at Bravil, they have the entire military of the Khajiit, Bosmer, and Altmer, where as the Daggerfall Covenant has mostly Redguards and Orcs, since the Bretons were really built around trade, not warfare, the Nords and Dunmers probably bring the most to the table when you look at the Ebonheart Pact, but undeniably the Aldmeri Dominion would be. Lorewise, the strongest alliance.

Khajiiti and bosmer populations are abysmally small (as are orcs, but orcs are legendary for their ability to match much larger forces).
Bretons are constantly fighting with each other. Both politically and with military.
Dominion politics is abysmal and rife with racism for the other races. Same for Dunmer to Argonians.
As for the leader, Emeric is the only one to have any noteworthy skill as a leader. Joruun is a joke of a leader and a weak nord. Ayren is a child in everything but her own head. Emeric has done an outstanding job of uniting the Bretons under a single banner as well as managing alliance with Orcs (long standing hostility managed)

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2017

Artis wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

The First Admeri Dominion ultimately "wins" the war, but then dissolves amid chaos leading to the rise of the next Empire..

Prooflink, please. Very interesting.

Then again, what happens in 300 years from now is irrelevant and not really written in detail. As of right now, during the times of ESO, DC seems to be the strongest. AD has Knahaten Flu all over elsweyr, bosmer lost their walking tree. EP is too unstable, with traditional dunmer and argonians still hating each other + there is all that thing going on with illegal slavery + Vvardenfel just had this whole story with Vivec almost dropping Baar Dau on the island. On the other hand, nothing global is happening in DC, except for a short conflict in Orsinium where a king was changed with the help of Vestige.

I think, we'll see what the next chapter brings us. The conflict between Daedric princes (or whatever that preview quest was talking about) will most certainly result in something on Nirn that can change the balance.

The storyline in Orsinium, at least in my opinion, strengthened the Daggerfall Covenant more than it already was. Prior to Kurog and his mothers scheme he was just an Orc Clan Chief claiming to be King of the Orsimer. But early on in Orsinium its shown that many of the traditional and most esteemed clans do not recognize him as king let alone the claim that Wrothgar is whole again. He also made a mess of things by deciding his new Orsinium would be home to a chapel to Trinimac rather than the more traditional and deeply beloved Malacath. But Chief Bazrag taking over, being a much more respected traditional Orsimer Chief would of brought more Clans onboard. At the end of Orsinium youre left with the impression that Wrothgar was not only in better hands, but that it was now fully committed to the Daggerfall Covenant where as before it was just a handful of clans that were either loyal to Kurog or Emeric.

Savos_Saren · June 2017

Technically speaking- all the Alliances lose. They all fade away and there's no such thing as anyone "winning" since the Elder Scrolls series is still continuing past Skyrim. You wouldn't want such a fantastic storyline to end, would you?

Ruckly · June 2017

Probably a stalemate.

Dominion has strongest navy and an unapproachable island capital. They have the best mages as well. But historically the bosmer are the weakest race(at least in ES3,4,5) and depend on terrain to make most use of their bows. And the khajiit are a bunch of drug dealers/traffickers. The bosmer and khajiit can probably hold their territories but wouldn't make much of a vanguard. Naval superiority would give the dominion the option of placing numbers on the field where it matters most.

Covenant has the best warriors. Redguard are historically the best warriors in Tamriel. Orcs combined with the redguard would make a mighty vanguard. Bretons make good mages and priests to amplify the covenant vanguard. They probably have the weakest terrain in their territories. The desert might be difficult to approach but the rest of the Covenant is mostly flat terrain with many places to resupply so their shouldn't be an issue with logistics for an invading army.

Pact probably has the best terrain. Landing an army anywheres is landing an army nowheres. Dunmer are a wildcard. Nords can smash through a vanguard. Argonians are cold-blooded so they probably lay many eggs and have a huge population and can thus field a very large army even if it is primitive and form a very large reserve.

All things considered it would be up to generals, admirals, intelligence, ect. Moral probably wouldn't play much of a role since within each alliance it is probably well understood that if they dissolve they will be conquered individually. The most pressure would probably be on the dominion to keep the covenant in check in covenant territory without exhausting their manpower.

Ch4mpTW · June 2017

Sigh... When will people finally learn that AD is by far the best alliance overall? We in the dominion house the best: Armed forces, lands, beaches, jungles, forests, cats, elves, women (and men), mages, archers, rogues, drugs (e.g. Skooma), designs/logos, etc. ZOS recognized this early on, and had Kate Beckinsale do the voice acting for The Queen. That alone speaks volumes.

But anyway... Back to the lore of things... The AD is dramatically the strongest alliances. And the secret of it all is unification and superior armed forces power. Throughout ESO you can even witness this for yourself. The EP literally want to enslave and kill each other like barbaric fools, while the DC cowards want to go about going along to get along. Not really doing much on their own, and also having weak foundations all about. All the while AD is constantly stressing unity and doing any and all it can to stay tight as a family.

People can say what they want about how the glorious Altmer are arrogant and elitist, but the Altmer are perfectionists by nature. And very much so passionate about any and everything they do. Whether it be: Work, family, combat, arcane arts, etc. This of course leads to why it is that they have the reputation of never being satisfied, while their creations (both magical and physical) are amongst the most beautiful and astounding. A true High Elf is NEVER satisfied, regardless of how well something is done. And always want more. After all... Who do you think made that absolutely stunning White-Gold Tower....? Here's a tip on its origins: It's an Ayelid structure.