Before someone starts bleating about "ruhh ruhh entitled snowflakes, no one gets free stuff blah blah", I have been subbed since launch and bought a buttload of stuff from the crownstore in addition to that. Having paid a considerable amount of money to them, I am a paying customer, so yes, I am entitled to certain things. For instance, I'm entitled to receive a product, as advertised, that I paid for in advance in good faith. I'm entitled to complain when I don't receive what I was led to believe I would get in return for the money I paid. I'm entitled to complain when their product does not match the expectations they are selling via their advertising. I'm entitled to stop giving them money when I don't think their product offers value for money anymore. I am entitled to offer feedback that will allow them to know what they can do to present a product that would make me change my mind.
That's not being a whiny millenial, entitled snowflake, or whatever other insult gets thrown at those who want to exercise their consumer rights. In any other sphere of business, openly fleecing customers in this manner would get them reported to an ombudsman, and people would be getting compensation.
...it makes me suspicious about what scheme they're planning to unveil in the near future to fleece us more.
Talon_Draconis wrote: »I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
Talon_Draconis wrote: »I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
Bye
Just over $500.00 canadian i've spent on ESO and no storage for HOMESTEAD, not even equippable MANNEQUINS that i saw in a building in Morrowind-already in game now with MW. This game is just a controlled MONEY PIT to get you to buy crowns so you can buy extra character slots or bank slots.
Talon_Draconis wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »Drachenfier wrote: »an entire month of entertainment for the cost of one decent lunch.
I really don't see why people complain about sub costs for MMO's.
I am not complaining about the cost really
What I am complaining about is the way Zmax is going about it.
They are force me to shell out another $50 bucks cash when I already gave them about $200 so far extra for content that should have been included in my sub.
I pay my sub to support continued development of the game in effect prepaying for dlc which they promised.
Calling Morrwind an expansion and not including it in the sub is screwing us over
They are not forcing you to. You can choose to or not to and that is regardless of your sub status.
Also, no sub benefits are permanent and forever iirc and they all vanish when you leave the sub - tho some retain partial function.
Sub is paying for "benefit now" or "benefit while subbed" and like everything else you agreed to "the future" is all subject to change.
if you did not get from the agreements you clicked that they can change things in the future without your consent... you need to re-read.
if you did get that and you are now upset at a change announced six month ahead of time... you need to re-think.
Unless you happened to buy a six month sub during the small window between jan 6 and feb 6ish when they announced morrowind and its "chapter" price, then you were never screwed... your bought subscriptions ran full course with the benefits.
if you bought a sub AFTER the announcement then you should have known what you were getting.
If you are upset that ZOS gave you an almost full six months lead time to this sub change to decide your course, becausethat is the "way Zmax is going about it."
they gave you almost an entire six months to assess and evaluate before it affected you.
Very few landlords have to give that much warning to their tenants and that is just, you know, a roof over your head level of importance.
In the US a brand new law can take effect within 90 days, not nearly six months.
You agreed they can change things and for this change they gave you almost six months lead... yeah... horrible business practice... so meany-jerky, bad-evil guy, not-nicey, poopy-head of them.
I happend to be offline for 6mons came back in late may see the add for morrowind thought great! some new dlc like orcium
Renewed my sub then found out a day latter that Morrwind was not included in the sub....said ok I will just buy it with crowns Have ton of them in my account.
Was bit pissed that it was pissed that they called it an expatiation to get out of including with the other dlc but normal marketing shenanigans
Then I found out I could not buy it using crowns their own virtual curacy forcing me to shell out $50 buck cash if I want it
that really pissed me off !
It's just a cash grab plain an simple.
And it screws over people who subbed to get dlc
Your lack of research before buying is not them screwing you.
As a long time subber, i was not screwed by this.
As VinneMac said "Brett screwed Brett."
i am getting plenty for my sub - especially since they added more to it when morrow dropped.
but them, i knew from the start that i agreed they can change anything anytime (just like you did) so any "future" promises are subject to change.
this time they gave six months notice - which seems mighty nice of them, given i agreed to no warning needed.
Hmm you don't seem to mind being screwed over
Quote Oliver Twist "Please Sir can I have some more"
Talon_Draconis wrote: »Just over $500.00 canadian i've spent on ESO and no storage for HOMESTEAD, not even equippable MANNEQUINS that i saw in a building in Morrowind-already in game now with MW. This game is just a controlled MONEY PIT to get you to buy crowns so you can buy extra character slots or bank slots.
Up to this point I was very satisfied with my sub got the dlc got a craft bag witch made things alot easier bought a few cosmetics and bought the dlc.
Now the morrowind release really screwed us over and I fear if this cash grab works it will be the pattern for things to come....which means I will have to find another game to play
I used to play alot of linage 2 till the bots took over and ruined the game....not the same thing here but znax screwing us over dose not encourage me to continue to support this game with my time and money
Talon_Draconis wrote: »I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »Just over $500.00 canadian i've spent on ESO and no storage for HOMESTEAD, not even equippable MANNEQUINS that i saw in a building in Morrowind-already in game now with MW. This game is just a controlled MONEY PIT to get you to buy crowns so you can buy extra character slots or bank slots.
Up to this point I was very satisfied with my sub got the dlc got a craft bag witch made things alot easier bought a few cosmetics and bought the dlc.
Now the morrowind release really screwed us over and I fear if this cash grab works it will be the pattern for things to come....which means I will have to find another game to play
I used to play alot of linage 2 till the bots took over and ruined the game....not the same thing here but znax screwing us over dose not encourage me to continue to support this game with my time and money
My tactic is to offset, and complain, for now.
If it's unfair, offset, so they don't make anymore from you than they would doing it a fair way. Complain, and encourage others to offset and complain too.
I'd stick around, see if they change, they might.
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »Just over $500.00 canadian i've spent on ESO and no storage for HOMESTEAD, not even equippable MANNEQUINS that i saw in a building in Morrowind-already in game now with MW. This game is just a controlled MONEY PIT to get you to buy crowns so you can buy extra character slots or bank slots.
Up to this point I was very satisfied with my sub got the dlc got a craft bag witch made things alot easier bought a few cosmetics and bought the dlc.
Now the morrowind release really screwed us over and I fear if this cash grab works it will be the pattern for things to come....which means I will have to find another game to play
I used to play alot of linage 2 till the bots took over and ruined the game....not the same thing here but znax screwing us over dose not encourage me to continue to support this game with my time and money
My tactic is to offset, and complain, for now.
If it's unfair, offset, so they don't make anymore from you than they would doing it a fair way. Complain, and encourage others to offset and complain too.
I'd stick around, see if they change, they might.
@kunquatb16_ESO
You do realize most that were buying the expansion already did. The rest could care less that you have not.
kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
Bye
@Barbara73 are you going somewhere?
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
Bye
@Barbara73 are you going somewhere?
He's going where you don't have access yet.
kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
Bye
@Barbara73 are you going somewhere?
kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
Bye
@Barbara73 are you going somewhere?
He's going where you don't have access yet.
You mean that place I should have access to as an ESO+ member but got screwed out of by a paywall?
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
Bye
@Barbara73 are you going somewhere?
He's going where you don't have access yet.kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
Bye
@Barbara73 are you going somewhere?
He's going where you don't have access yet.
You mean that place I should have access to as an ESO+ member but got screwed out of by a paywall?
No. I'm talking about Morrowind. It's merely an opinion of yours that you should already have access. Just an oppinion that will have little affect.
kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
Bye
@Barbara73 are you going somewhere?
He's going where you don't have access yet.kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
Bye
@Barbara73 are you going somewhere?
He's going where you don't have access yet.
You mean that place I should have access to as an ESO+ member but got screwed out of by a paywall?
No. I'm talking about Morrowind. It's merely an opinion of yours that you should already have access. Just an oppinion that will have little affect.
Do you really believe player opinions don't matter?
kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
Bye
@Barbara73 are you going somewhere?
He's going where you don't have access yet.kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!
Bye
@Barbara73 are you going somewhere?
He's going where you don't have access yet.
You mean that place I should have access to as an ESO+ member but got screwed out of by a paywall?
No. I'm talking about Morrowind. It's merely an opinion of yours that you should already have access. Just an oppinion that will have little affect.
Do you really believe player opinions don't matter?
playsforfun wrote: »I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,
Talon_Draconis wrote: »playsforfun wrote: »I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,
I am seriously of thinking of switching my time and money to eve online and mybe picking up skyrim enshaned ed
but I love this mmo and hate to leave it
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »playsforfun wrote: »I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,
I am seriously of thinking of switching my time and money to eve online and mybe picking up skyrim enshaned ed
but I love this mmo and hate to leave it
It's your choice to leave it. No one, certainly not Zos, is making you leave. If $40 usd is that big a deal for you then I'd say maybe your not as into the game as you think.
Especially since savings from 3 months without sub covers the cost.
Talon_Draconis wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »playsforfun wrote: »I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,
I am seriously of thinking of switching my time and money to eve online and mybe picking up skyrim enshaned ed
but I love this mmo and hate to leave it
It's your choice to leave it. No one, certainly not Zos, is making you leave. If $40 usd is that big a deal for you then I'd say maybe your not as into the game as you think.
Especially since savings from 3 months without sub covers the cost.
It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »playsforfun wrote: »I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,
I am seriously of thinking of switching my time and money to eve online and mybe picking up skyrim enshaned ed
but I love this mmo and hate to leave it
It's your choice to leave it. No one, certainly not Zos, is making you leave. If $40 usd is that big a deal for you then I'd say maybe your not as into the game as you think.
Especially since savings from 3 months without sub covers the cost.
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »playsforfun wrote: »I've cancelled my sub and have been subbed since the release of the game, i don't see the point in it any more as i'm only sporadically playing atm,
I am seriously of thinking of switching my time and money to eve online and mybe picking up skyrim enshaned ed
but I love this mmo and hate to leave it
It's your choice to leave it. No one, certainly not Zos, is making you leave. If $40 usd is that big a deal for you then I'd say maybe your not as into the game as you think.
Especially since savings from 3 months without sub covers the cost.
It's not the Money is the way zmax is treating us....calling dlc a explanation it should have been included with the sub and available in the crown store just like any other xpack
Honestly, get over it or move on. It's a dead horse and It's to late for Zos to change this. Your thread will do nothing.