Really debating whether I going to keep supporting ESO with my sub

Narvuntien · June 2017

You can live without morrowind, you don't need warden or battlegrounds. Don't agree don't buy the expansion, it doesn't look like its going to hold anyone back not having it.

snakester320 · June 2017

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!

Sub every 6 months for a month to fill you craft bag job done..
that's what i was doing till I stopped playing altogether ....
I just refused to give them any more cash it's getting way out of hand ..
Still sitting on 4800 crowns that can just sit there and gather dust for I care now..
Such a shame because I do like eso but refuse to be sucked in buy there disgusting cash grabs

Talon_Draconis · June 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

You can live without morrowind, you don't need warden or battlegrounds. Don't agree don't buy the expansion, it doesn't look like its going to hold anyone back not having it.

I agree that is why I did not buy the Imperial version
But they eventually put it on the crown store and bought it with crowns....hoping they will do the same with morrowind
The main problem I am having is the way they are going about it.
Marketing Morrowind as an expatiation an not even putting in the crown store so to force us to pay $50 cash when we support them with our subs is a ripoff !

idk · June 2017

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

You can live without morrowind, you don't need warden or battlegrounds. Don't agree don't buy the expansion, it doesn't look like its going to hold anyone back not having it.

I agree that is why I did not buy the Imperial version
But they eventually put it on the crown store and bought it with crowns....hoping they will do the same with morrowind
The main problem I am having is the way they are going about it.
Marketing Morrowind as an expatiation an not even putting in the crown store so to force us to pay $50 cash when we support them with our subs is a ripoff !

Glad you figured it out. Btw, Zos isn't forcing anyone to pay for anything. They have also increased the value of our subs via other means.

In both, and all cases, we get to choose if we think something has the value we want for the cost.

Drachenfier · June 2017

Calling Morrwind an expansion and not including it in the sub is screwing us over

Well, I disagree. Based on the fact that I can spend an entire month playing this game for the cost of one two hour movie with a drink and a snack, then I have no problem paying for content like Morrowind. Could it have been cheaper? Sure, but I won't begrudge them for trying to make money.

I do, after all, want them to keep making content. And they need money to do it.

KerinKor · June 2017

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus

Since this became clear months ago one wonders why you left it till now to whine about it.

STEVIL · June 2017

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

an entire month of entertainment for the cost of one decent lunch.

I really don't see why people complain about sub costs for MMO's.

I am not complaining about the cost really
What I am complaining about is the way Zmax is going about it.
They are force me to shell out another $50 bucks cash when I already gave them about $200 so far extra for content that should have been included in my sub.
I pay my sub to support continued development of the game in effect prepaying for dlc which they promised.
Calling Morrwind an expansion and not including it in the sub is screwing us over

They are not forcing you to. You can choose to or not to and that is regardless of your sub status.

Also, no sub benefits are permanent and forever iirc and they all vanish when you leave the sub - tho some retain partial function.

Sub is paying for "benefit now" or "benefit while subbed" and like everything else you agreed to "the future" is all subject to change.

if you did not get from the agreements you clicked that they can change things in the future without your consent... you need to re-read.

if you did get that and you are now upset at a change announced six month ahead of time... you need to re-think.

Unless you happened to buy a six month sub during the small window between jan 6 and feb 6ish when they announced morrowind and its "chapter" price, then you were never screwed... your bought subscriptions ran full course with the benefits.

if you bought a sub AFTER the announcement then you should have known what you were getting.

If you are upset that ZOS gave you an almost full six months lead time to this sub change to decide your course, becausethat is the "way Zmax is going about it."

they gave you almost an entire six months to assess and evaluate before it affected you.

Very few landlords have to give that much warning to their tenants and that is just, you know, a roof over your head level of importance.

In the US a brand new law can take effect within 90 days, not nearly six months.

You agreed they can change things and for this change they gave you almost six months lead... yeah... horrible business practice... so meany-jerky, bad-evil guy, not-nicey, poopy-head of them.

Troneon · June 2017

Welcome to the club buddy.

ZOS should be ashamed of a lot lately.

WalksonGraves · June 2017

Talon_Draconis · June 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

an entire month of entertainment for the cost of one decent lunch.

I really don't see why people complain about sub costs for MMO's.

I am not complaining about the cost really
What I am complaining about is the way Zmax is going about it.
They are force me to shell out another $50 bucks cash when I already gave them about $200 so far extra for content that should have been included in my sub.
I pay my sub to support continued development of the game in effect prepaying for dlc which they promised.
Calling Morrwind an expansion and not including it in the sub is screwing us over

They are not forcing you to. You can choose to or not to and that is regardless of your sub status.

Also, no sub benefits are permanent and forever iirc and they all vanish when you leave the sub - tho some retain partial function.

Sub is paying for "benefit now" or "benefit while subbed" and like everything else you agreed to "the future" is all subject to change.

if you did not get from the agreements you clicked that they can change things in the future without your consent... you need to re-read.

if you did get that and you are now upset at a change announced six month ahead of time... you need to re-think.

Unless you happened to buy a six month sub during the small window between jan 6 and feb 6ish when they announced morrowind and its "chapter" price, then you were never screwed... your bought subscriptions ran full course with the benefits.

if you bought a sub AFTER the announcement then you should have known what you were getting.

If you are upset that ZOS gave you an almost full six months lead time to this sub change to decide your course, becausethat is the "way Zmax is going about it."

they gave you almost an entire six months to assess and evaluate before it affected you.

Very few landlords have to give that much warning to their tenants and that is just, you know, a roof over your head level of importance.

In the US a brand new law can take effect within 90 days, not nearly six months.

You agreed they can change things and for this change they gave you almost six months lead... yeah... horrible business practice... so meany-jerky, bad-evil guy, not-nicey, poopy-head of them.

I happend to be offline for 6mons came back in late may see the add for morrowind thought great! some new dlc like orcium
Renewed my sub then found out a day latter that Morrwind was not included in the sub....said ok I will just buy it with crowns Have ton of them in my account.
Was bit pissed that it was pissed that they called it an expatiation to get out of including with the other dlc but normal marketing shenanigans
Then I found out I could not buy it using crowns their own virtual curacy forcing me to shell out $50 buck cash if I want it
that really pissed me off !
It's just a cash grab plain an simple.
And it screws over people who subbed to get dlc

Uriel_Nocturne · June 2017

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I am thing hard weather if I am going to keep subbing ESO plus
Morrowind is DLC should be free with the sub or at least available with crowns!
While I think ESO is the best MMO out there right now I really can't support there marketing strategy
As far as the ESO plus the only thing that has any real value is the bag and access to dlc now they are calling DLC expantions and using that as a excuse for a cash grab
With the $50 dollars they want for morrowind I could get whole other game
Crowns are useless except to buy dlc there is nothing worth buying in the store.
I assume Morrowind will eventually become available once zmax squeezes as much cash as it can from players
I find this detestable and makes me want to not renew my sub in protest!
I hope that zmax corrects this asp and puts Morrowind as regular dlc which it is ! and does not repeat this blatant cash grab again!

Don't feed them guaranteed money if you're unhappy with the direction of the game, OP.

I cancelled all my Sub's for myself and my wife about mid-way through the PTS cycle. It became clear to us that ZOS is moving ESO in a direction that punishes people more, for the more hours that they play the game, and so we refuse to give ZOS the only two things we have any real control over: Our time and money.

ZOS gets neither of those two things anymore.

There's plenty of great options for MMORPG's on the market right now, and plenty more releasing this year, and over the next two years. ESO isn't the only horse in the race, and my wife and I chose to take our money, and the better part of opur limited play time to another game.

And ZOS has only themselves to blame for that.

So; it's YOUR MONEY, OP. If you're unhappy with the product, quit supporting them with a subscription. That, more than anything else, will be what ZOS listens to.

QuebraRegra · June 2017

I cancelled my sub for now.. I'll see how the game plays after the console launch of Morrowind and it's patch today.

The sub needs more SUBSTANCE.

It wouldn't affect me, but allowing subs to create any character, any alliance would help some friends.

STEVIL · June 2017

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

an entire month of entertainment for the cost of one decent lunch.

I really don't see why people complain about sub costs for MMO's.

I am not complaining about the cost really
What I am complaining about is the way Zmax is going about it.
They are force me to shell out another $50 bucks cash when I already gave them about $200 so far extra for content that should have been included in my sub.
I pay my sub to support continued development of the game in effect prepaying for dlc which they promised.
Calling Morrwind an expansion and not including it in the sub is screwing us over

They are not forcing you to. You can choose to or not to and that is regardless of your sub status.

Also, no sub benefits are permanent and forever iirc and they all vanish when you leave the sub - tho some retain partial function.

Sub is paying for "benefit now" or "benefit while subbed" and like everything else you agreed to "the future" is all subject to change.

if you did not get from the agreements you clicked that they can change things in the future without your consent... you need to re-read.

if you did get that and you are now upset at a change announced six month ahead of time... you need to re-think.

Unless you happened to buy a six month sub during the small window between jan 6 and feb 6ish when they announced morrowind and its "chapter" price, then you were never screwed... your bought subscriptions ran full course with the benefits.

if you bought a sub AFTER the announcement then you should have known what you were getting.

If you are upset that ZOS gave you an almost full six months lead time to this sub change to decide your course, becausethat is the "way Zmax is going about it."

they gave you almost an entire six months to assess and evaluate before it affected you.

Very few landlords have to give that much warning to their tenants and that is just, you know, a roof over your head level of importance.

In the US a brand new law can take effect within 90 days, not nearly six months.

You agreed they can change things and for this change they gave you almost six months lead... yeah... horrible business practice... so meany-jerky, bad-evil guy, not-nicey, poopy-head of them.

I happend to be offline for 6mons came back in late may see the add for morrowind thought great! some new dlc like orcium
Renewed my sub then found out a day latter that Morrwind was not included in the sub....said ok I will just buy it with crowns Have ton of them in my account.
Was bit pissed that it was pissed that they called it an expatiation to get out of including with the other dlc but normal marketing shenanigans
Then I found out I could not buy it using crowns their own virtual curacy forcing me to shell out $50 buck cash if I want it
that really pissed me off !
It's just a cash grab plain an simple.
And it screws over people who subbed to get dlc

Your lack of research before buying is not them screwing you.

As a long time subber, i was not screwed by this.

As VinneMac said "Brett screwed Brett."

i am getting plenty for my sub - especially since they added more to it when morrow dropped.

but them, i knew from the start that i agreed they can change anything anytime (just like you did) so any "future" promises are subject to change.

this time they gave six months notice - which seems mighty nice of them, given i agreed to no warning needed.

Talon_Draconis · June 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

an entire month of entertainment for the cost of one decent lunch.

I really don't see why people complain about sub costs for MMO's.

I am not complaining about the cost really
What I am complaining about is the way Zmax is going about it.
They are force me to shell out another $50 bucks cash when I already gave them about $200 so far extra for content that should have been included in my sub.
I pay my sub to support continued development of the game in effect prepaying for dlc which they promised.
Calling Morrwind an expansion and not including it in the sub is screwing us over

They are not forcing you to. You can choose to or not to and that is regardless of your sub status.

Also, no sub benefits are permanent and forever iirc and they all vanish when you leave the sub - tho some retain partial function.

Sub is paying for "benefit now" or "benefit while subbed" and like everything else you agreed to "the future" is all subject to change.

if you did not get from the agreements you clicked that they can change things in the future without your consent... you need to re-read.

if you did get that and you are now upset at a change announced six month ahead of time... you need to re-think.

Unless you happened to buy a six month sub during the small window between jan 6 and feb 6ish when they announced morrowind and its "chapter" price, then you were never screwed... your bought subscriptions ran full course with the benefits.

if you bought a sub AFTER the announcement then you should have known what you were getting.

If you are upset that ZOS gave you an almost full six months lead time to this sub change to decide your course, becausethat is the "way Zmax is going about it."

they gave you almost an entire six months to assess and evaluate before it affected you.

Very few landlords have to give that much warning to their tenants and that is just, you know, a roof over your head level of importance.

In the US a brand new law can take effect within 90 days, not nearly six months.

You agreed they can change things and for this change they gave you almost six months lead... yeah... horrible business practice... so meany-jerky, bad-evil guy, not-nicey, poopy-head of them.

I happend to be offline for 6mons came back in late may see the add for morrowind thought great! some new dlc like orcium
Renewed my sub then found out a day latter that Morrwind was not included in the sub....said ok I will just buy it with crowns Have ton of them in my account.
Was bit pissed that it was pissed that they called it an expatiation to get out of including with the other dlc but normal marketing shenanigans
Then I found out I could not buy it using crowns their own virtual curacy forcing me to shell out $50 buck cash if I want it
that really pissed me off !
It's just a cash grab plain an simple.
And it screws over people who subbed to get dlc

Your lack of research before buying is not them screwing you.

As a long time subber, i was not screwed by this.

As VinneMac said "Brett screwed Brett."

i am getting plenty for my sub - especially since they added more to it when morrow dropped.

but them, i knew from the start that i agreed they can change anything anytime (just like you did) so any "future" promises are subject to change.

this time they gave six months notice - which seems mighty nice of them, given i agreed to no warning needed.

Hmm you don't seem to mind being screwed over
Quote Oliver Twist "Please Sir can I have some more"

Drachenfier · June 2017

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

an entire month of entertainment for the cost of one decent lunch.

I really don't see why people complain about sub costs for MMO's.

I am not complaining about the cost really
What I am complaining about is the way Zmax is going about it.
They are force me to shell out another $50 bucks cash when I already gave them about $200 so far extra for content that should have been included in my sub.
I pay my sub to support continued development of the game in effect prepaying for dlc which they promised.
Calling Morrwind an expansion and not including it in the sub is screwing us over

They are not forcing you to. You can choose to or not to and that is regardless of your sub status.

Also, no sub benefits are permanent and forever iirc and they all vanish when you leave the sub - tho some retain partial function.

Sub is paying for "benefit now" or "benefit while subbed" and like everything else you agreed to "the future" is all subject to change.

if you did not get from the agreements you clicked that they can change things in the future without your consent... you need to re-read.

if you did get that and you are now upset at a change announced six month ahead of time... you need to re-think.

Unless you happened to buy a six month sub during the small window between jan 6 and feb 6ish when they announced morrowind and its "chapter" price, then you were never screwed... your bought subscriptions ran full course with the benefits.

if you bought a sub AFTER the announcement then you should have known what you were getting.

If you are upset that ZOS gave you an almost full six months lead time to this sub change to decide your course, becausethat is the "way Zmax is going about it."

they gave you almost an entire six months to assess and evaluate before it affected you.

Very few landlords have to give that much warning to their tenants and that is just, you know, a roof over your head level of importance.

In the US a brand new law can take effect within 90 days, not nearly six months.

You agreed they can change things and for this change they gave you almost six months lead... yeah... horrible business practice... so meany-jerky, bad-evil guy, not-nicey, poopy-head of them.

I happend to be offline for 6mons came back in late may see the add for morrowind thought great! some new dlc like orcium
Renewed my sub then found out a day latter that Morrwind was not included in the sub....said ok I will just buy it with crowns Have ton of them in my account.
Was bit pissed that it was pissed that they called it an expatiation to get out of including with the other dlc but normal marketing shenanigans
Then I found out I could not buy it using crowns their own virtual curacy forcing me to shell out $50 buck cash if I want it
that really pissed me off !
It's just a cash grab plain an simple.
And it screws over people who subbed to get dlc

Your lack of research before buying is not them screwing you.

As a long time subber, i was not screwed by this.

As VinneMac said "Brett screwed Brett."

i am getting plenty for my sub - especially since they added more to it when morrow dropped.

but them, i knew from the start that i agreed they can change anything anytime (just like you did) so any "future" promises are subject to change.

this time they gave six months notice - which seems mighty nice of them, given i agreed to no warning needed.

Hmm you don't seem to mind being screwed over
Quote Oliver Twist "Please Sir can I have some more"

How are you getting screwed over? This is the most cost efficient form of entertainment available. You're paying pennies per hour for this, and Morrowind is not required to play. Do you ever go to the movies? If so, you have no leg to stand on in this complaint.

Talon_Draconis · June 2017

Drachenfier wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

an entire month of entertainment for the cost of one decent lunch.

I really don't see why people complain about sub costs for MMO's.

I am not complaining about the cost really
What I am complaining about is the way Zmax is going about it.
They are force me to shell out another $50 bucks cash when I already gave them about $200 so far extra for content that should have been included in my sub.
I pay my sub to support continued development of the game in effect prepaying for dlc which they promised.
Calling Morrwind an expansion and not including it in the sub is screwing us over

They are not forcing you to. You can choose to or not to and that is regardless of your sub status.

Also, no sub benefits are permanent and forever iirc and they all vanish when you leave the sub - tho some retain partial function.

Sub is paying for "benefit now" or "benefit while subbed" and like everything else you agreed to "the future" is all subject to change.

if you did not get from the agreements you clicked that they can change things in the future without your consent... you need to re-read.

if you did get that and you are now upset at a change announced six month ahead of time... you need to re-think.

Unless you happened to buy a six month sub during the small window between jan 6 and feb 6ish when they announced morrowind and its "chapter" price, then you were never screwed... your bought subscriptions ran full course with the benefits.

if you bought a sub AFTER the announcement then you should have known what you were getting.

If you are upset that ZOS gave you an almost full six months lead time to this sub change to decide your course, becausethat is the "way Zmax is going about it."

they gave you almost an entire six months to assess and evaluate before it affected you.

Very few landlords have to give that much warning to their tenants and that is just, you know, a roof over your head level of importance.

In the US a brand new law can take effect within 90 days, not nearly six months.

You agreed they can change things and for this change they gave you almost six months lead... yeah... horrible business practice... so meany-jerky, bad-evil guy, not-nicey, poopy-head of them.

I happend to be offline for 6mons came back in late may see the add for morrowind thought great! some new dlc like orcium
Renewed my sub then found out a day latter that Morrwind was not included in the sub....said ok I will just buy it with crowns Have ton of them in my account.
Was bit pissed that it was pissed that they called it an expatiation to get out of including with the other dlc but normal marketing shenanigans
Then I found out I could not buy it using crowns their own virtual curacy forcing me to shell out $50 buck cash if I want it
that really pissed me off !
It's just a cash grab plain an simple.
And it screws over people who subbed to get dlc

Your lack of research before buying is not them screwing you.

As a long time subber, i was not screwed by this.

As VinneMac said "Brett screwed Brett."

i am getting plenty for my sub - especially since they added more to it when morrow dropped.

but them, i knew from the start that i agreed they can change anything anytime (just like you did) so any "future" promises are subject to change.

this time they gave six months notice - which seems mighty nice of them, given i agreed to no warning needed.

Hmm you don't seem to mind being screwed over
Quote Oliver Twist "Please Sir can I have some more"

How are you getting screwed over? This is the most cost efficient form of entertainment available. You're paying pennies per hour for this, and Morrowind is not required to play. Do you ever go to the movies? If so, you have no leg to stand on in this complaint.

I am not really complaining about the cost....It's the way zmax is doing it I supported the game through subbing I was supposed to get all dlc while I subbed with the option to buy it through the crown store they changed the definition of morrowind just so that they can screw us over.
That is what I am pissed about if they would have handled it like orcinium I would have had no problem I would have subbed and bought the dlc in the crown store like I did with the dlc packs

Fusiondk · June 2017

Lol...cash grab...
Eso base game + morrowind + 1 mo sub = 40 + 40 + 15. 95 dollars. Let's say you only play for 10 hrs and dumpster it. 9.95 per hour on entertainment. 20 hours....half that per....30 hours...3 dollars. You get the idea for me at over 1000 hrs my cost is nickels.

My golf club membership annual fee 6000. Can't play 4 months out of the year for winter. Might average 12 hrs a week at max. 384 hrs of play...15.62 per hr. And mind you there are no add on, dlcs, new content. Same 18 holes every...single...time.

Going to the show for 1 (although usually for 2) minimally. 18.50 ticket, 4.00 to fill popcorn bucket(refillable bucket bough annually for 25 dollars), 1 drink 4.00. Mind you I live in a smaller town. 26.50 for 2 hrs tops average. 13.25 per hour. And the movie might be complete garbage.

Dinner and drinks for 1. Meal 18.00 avg (13.00-22.00 around here for decent food). 2 cocktails @ 6.00 ea. Lasts 2 hrs. 15.00 per hour.

So I guess if you're comparing the cost of any mmo sub+game to maybe doing nothing I could see the concern with concerns for expense.....

But then again...No.

EDIT: I thought I should add: TG/DB/Orsinium/Hist/Homestead all came with your sub...that...is...insane. You pay the same premium to play WoW and get.....nothing extra? Of course with a new class release they needed to sell an expansion.

Callous2208 · June 2017

I continue to sub because I enjoy the benefits of my subscription and enjoy the game. If these feelings should change I will cancel my sub. This is how well adjusted adults make rational decisions. Forum star farming and bemoaning a simple decision is not.

Xjcon · June 2017

ESO was a fun game for awhile. However after realising that the devs want to spend more time working on fluff and less time on playable content I made the choice to move on. Changing the meta by putting new gear in old content was the final straw. October was the last time I put money in their pockets.

kunquatb16_ESO · June 2017

@Talon_Draconis I had the same feelings. I'v decided to offset the cost of Morrowind by leaving gaps in my subs.

ESO+ and crowns have become devalued by this move, and I worry it's going to become an ongoing trend.

kunquatb16_ESO · June 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

I continue to sub because I enjoy the benefits of my subscription and enjoy the game. If these feelings should change I will cancel my sub. This is how well adjusted adults make rational decisions. Forum star farming and bemoaning a simple decision is not.

@Callous2208
I don't think showing that this decision is a bad one is star farming, it's had and will continue to have a negative effect on player sentiment.
Pointing this out, before things get so bad you just walk away altogether, is how adult behave.

The question is, do you think it was a good move? Do you think they handled it well? Will a continuation of paywalling and leaving ESO+ and crown buyer out in the cold eventually drive you and your money away? Is it therefore adult to remain silent?

Xjcon · June 2017

Fusiondk wrote: »

Lol...cash grab...
Eso base game + morrowind + 1 mo sub = 40 + 40 + 15. 95 dollars. Let's say you only play for 10 hrs and dumpster it. 9.95 per hour on entertainment. 20 hours....half that per....30 hours...3 dollars. You get the idea for me at over 1000 hrs my cost is nickels.

My golf club membership annual fee 6000. Can't play 4 months out of the year for winter. Might average 12 hrs a week at max. 384 hrs of play...15.62 per hr. And mind you there are no add on, dlcs, new content. Same 18 holes every...single...time.

Going to the show for 1 (although usually for 2) minimally. 18.50 ticket, 4.00 to fill popcorn bucket(refillable bucket bough annually for 25 dollars), 1 drink 4.00. Mind you I live in a smaller town. 26.50 for 2 hrs tops average. 13.25 per hour. And the movie might be complete garbage.

Dinner and drinks for 1. Meal 18.00 avg (13.00-22.00 around here for decent food). 2 cocktails @ 6.00 ea. Lasts 2 hrs. 15.00 per hour.

So I guess if you're comparing the cost of any mmo sub+game to maybe doing nothing I could see the concern with concerns for expense.....

But then again...No.

EDIT: I thought I should add: TG/DB/Orsinium/Hist/Homestead all came with your sub...that...is...insane. You pay the same premium to play WoW and get.....nothing extra? Of course with a new class release they needed to sell an expansion.

I agree with this post. If you don't find value in your purchase, try something else. I beat myself up over this game for a long time, I was all for them making money so they could produce more content. What did they come out with? Houses....for a pixel character....then they put all the stuff you need to fill it, in old dungeons.

Talon_Draconis · June 2017

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I continue to sub because I enjoy the benefits of my subscription and enjoy the game. If these feelings should change I will cancel my sub. This is how well adjusted adults make rational decisions. Forum star farming and bemoaning a simple decision is not.

@Callous2208
I don't think showing that this decision is a bad one is star farming, it's had and will continue to have a negative effect on player sentiment.
Pointing this out, before things get so bad you just walk away altogether, is how adult behave.

The question is, do you think it was a good move? Do you think they handled it well? Will a continuation of paywalling and leaving ESO+ and crown buyer out in the cold eventually drive you and your money away? Is it therefore adult to remain silent?

I agree

Balamoor · June 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

And this sums up the thread.

Anyone's single issue isn't going to stop the cash Tsunami, I personally have serious issues with Community management in game and on the forums.

That and $7.50 will get me a small flavored coffee and my name pronounced wrong at Starbucks. All I can say is "yeah I don't like this," and maybe commiserate with others who agree.

KingMagaw · June 2017

To all comparing a cinema release to ESO is lol. Cinema release is actually a finished product your paying for. Here your paying for the privilege of beta testing Morrowind.

I stopped subbing when Z0$ showed they are incapable of handling cheating, never mind replying to players asking questions in there self made Cheating Thread.

Battlegrounds released in full working condition would mean nothing to me because you will just be playing with exploiters and cheaters.

Balamoor · June 2017

KingMagaw wrote: »

To all comparing a cinema release to ESO is lol. Cinema release is actually a finished product your paying for. Here your paying for the privilege of beta testing Morrowind.

I stopped subbing when Z0$ showed they are incapable of handling cheating, never mind replying to players asking questions in there self made Cheating Thread.

Battlegrounds released in full working condition would mean nothing to me because you will just be playing with exploiters and cheaters.

Silly question.

Have you ever said anything positive about ESO? Because look back on your post...I'm not seeing it, and that begs the question. If you hate ZoS so much and think the game is trash, why are you here? I mean there are many MMO's out there.

Talon_Draconis · June 2017

Balamoor wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

To all comparing a cinema release to ESO is lol. Cinema release is actually a finished product your paying for. Here your paying for the privilege of beta testing Morrowind.

I stopped subbing when Z0$ showed they are incapable of handling cheating, never mind replying to players asking questions in there self made Cheating Thread.

Battlegrounds released in full working condition would mean nothing to me because you will just be playing with exploiters and cheaters.

Silly question.

Have you ever said anything positive about ESO? Because look back on your post...I'm not seeing it, and that begs the question. If you hate ZoS so much and think the game is trash, why are you here? I mean there are many MMO's out there.

I have stated ESO is the beast mmo out right now my gripe is how zmax screwed over eso + members to make some cash

RebornV3x · June 2017

I wouldn't sub Zos doesn't care about its customers stop paying it's the only way to force any real change in this game

neverwalk · June 2017

Just over $500.00 canadian i've spent on ESO and no storage for HOMESTEAD, not even equippable MANNEQUINS that i saw in a building in Morrowind-already in game now with MW. This game is just a controlled MONEY PIT to get you to buy crowns so you can buy extra character slots or bank slots.

kunquatb16_ESO · June 2017

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

To all comparing a cinema release to ESO is lol. Cinema release is actually a finished product your paying for. Here your paying for the privilege of beta testing Morrowind.

I stopped subbing when Z0$ showed they are incapable of handling cheating, never mind replying to players asking questions in there self made Cheating Thread.

Battlegrounds released in full working condition would mean nothing to me because you will just be playing with exploiters and cheaters.

Silly question.

Have you ever said anything positive about ESO? Because look back on your post...I'm not seeing it, and that begs the question. If you hate ZoS so much and think the game is trash, why are you here? I mean there are many MMO's out there.

I have stated ESO is the beast mmo out right now my gripe is how zmax screwed over eso + members to make some cash

I know, great graphic, character variation in looks, good storylines, dynamic "Help you out" grouping. It's got too much great stuff to let paywalls and money grabs ruin it.