Magdalina wrote: »

Franieck wrote: »

Отличная точка. Люди, которые не говорят по-английски, действительно тоже меня разозлили!

Нафиг выпендриваться, еcли, в отличие от меня, ты явно не знаешь русского? Иногда, чтобы сойти за умного, лучше промолчать

Pro tip - don't try to pass as a smartass by Google translating a language you don't know. It just might happen to be a language your opponents do know(and then you'll just look really stupid instead)

djdc1234 wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

...what do you think of them?

Now in before the...critical thinking I might get for this, English is not actually my first language. But I'd like to believe I speak it quite well. There was a time when I did not, and at that time I wouldn't dream of joining a teamwork-requiring activity without being able to communicate with said team whatsoever.

I understand there're a lot of languages in the world and that for some people learning different languages really doesn't come easy. I realize it's not fair for those people to be cut out of a game they want to play simply because it has been released in a language they don't know. What I don't understand is why those people would queue for challenging group activities with randoms and assume it fine. There're a lot of language-specific guilds that they could join/start and run with people who would understand them, at least until they understand the mechanics perfectly. If they are from a land so distant almost no one there plays ESO, it really sucks but they should probably refrain from grouping until they get some grasp on English at least. Or if they do fill a dying urge to pug a vet dungeon without understanding a word of what's going on, maybe they should at the very least warn their teams at the start rather than assume everyone is fine carrying someone who won't be able to follow a single instruction. Google translating "sorry I don't speak English" isn't that hard in any language.

It annoys the hell out of me. Maybe it's bad of me but omg...I'm fine carrying lowbies, fine wiping along inexperienced players for hours - long as we're communicating. But this...

Just today I queued for healer/dps roles and there's someone else in the group also queued as healer/dps. Groupfinder assigns healer role to me and frankly I'd prefer it that way. Me:"So I heal then?" Silence. Okay. We move on and they proceed to spam Mutagen the entire trash pull. Me:"So who's healing?" Silence, more Mutagen on next pull. Me:"Okay, lemme swap to dps then. XXX, you have Drain right?" Silence. No, they obviously don't have Drain(nor do they have Spc, Orbs, Worm, Warhorn or Prayer, all of which I personally did bother to get before queueing as a healer for vWGT) so I slot one of my own and we proceed. Fortunately everyone else knows what to do and even the silent "healer" does apear to have some clue about mechanics so we proceed to Planar. We stop and talk it over in groupchat, deciding to burn her with tank holding her til blue phase. Of course, the "healer" grabs the pinion as soon as it opens, after which tank lucks out on 2 portal stages in a row and we wipe. "Please don't close the pinion til blue stage" - silence. We try again, "healer" takes it again and we wipe again. This time they actually speak up in broken English "why no take ball in the middle, plz take ball" and we all go "no, bad ball/no take ball/only take blue ball" all over again and this time it finally seems to make it through for they leave it alone and we make it.

We made it, even hm, eventually, but oh my god. I'm super patient with pugs usually but lack of communication just drives me mad. Had another one, also in WGT, who didn't seem to know you gotta close portals on Planar whatsoever. We tried to tell him/her in whatever simple ways we could but they simply never closed them. They also never ressed for some reason(though heals were decent). I asked if they needed soulgems but they didn't answer. We asked them if they spoke English at all but they never answered. We gave up and disbanded the group and THEN they spoke up saying "sorry I don't speak English well". No ****, you don't, then why did you queue for this? And why didn't you tell us at the start? Or even at any of the points when we were asking you?

Another time we had a lowbie dps - I don't actually know if they didn't speak English or just had something religiously against using groupchat but I can only assume they didn't speak English as they didn't even comment on "kick him?" talk going on in the chat - with really low dps and surviveability who kept hitting the scroll on Kena in vWGT. It was obvious we were not gonna make it after first try when both dps died within 10 seconds and then wouldn't stay up for more than a few seconds before dying again, but they hit the scroll again. And then again. And again.
"Let's just do normal - *silence, scroll*"
"We can't make it, let's do non hm - *silence, scroll*"
"Stop hitting the scroll - *silence, scroll*"
"YYY, why are you hitting the scroll? - *silent*"
"YYY, do you speak English? - *silent, kicked* "

/facepalm

I just so don't understand people sometimes. Anyway, for the sake of this not just being a rant...what do you think about/do with people who don't speak English in your group?

STOP queue for both healer/dps YOU ARE A BIG PROBLEM ... Q FOR 1 position, if not you mess the teams up big time

How so? I can do either role. My dps dropped with Morrowind and I don't have all the new sets yet but I still well pull 25k+ dps single target in my dps outfit and I have Spc, Worm, Master Resto, Drain, Prayer, Warhorn, Orbs and Twilight for my healing one. How am I messing up the team with either of those?

On side note, yeah, people who appear to speak English yet still refuse to communicate are also extremely annoying. But this thread was specifically to share my frustration about non English speakers XD Non communicating when being able and needing to is a choice(and one of a...not very smart person, too), queueing for a challenging team acitivity without even having an option to communicate if anything goes wrong is even worse imo.

Magdalina wrote: »

Spc, Orbs, Worm, Warhorn or Prayer

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Anyway, for the sake of this not just being a rant...what do you think about/do with people who don't speak English in your group?

If they don't speak English, I try to communicate in one of the other official eso languages with them (German / French) or just carry on without talking.

btw. I'm pretty sure that German is the most common native language on the EU server, so if you want to set up a mandatory language for the groupfinder there, it should be German

zaria wrote: »

Russians has to understand English to play the game as its no Russian version, you have an French and German one but less likely they can it and not English.
Know some Russians I tend to get dungeon run invites from.

Few French or German speakers who play video games don't understand English.

lnsane wrote: »

I don't think language is the problem here. A lot of groups seem to do fine even when communication is.. sub-optimal? And sometimes communication is sublime but the group gets wiped nonetheless. Knowing the mechanics and being able to pull your weight is much more important, I think.

Also, I feel as though NA and EU for the servers are being commonly mistaken for USA and UK, whereas there's a whole bunch of people from a lot of different countries on the servers. Therefore, it's a bit weird to ask people to learn/speak/type English for group content. Can you imagine what it would be like if French-Canadian, Mexican, German, French (or any other country's) users started doing that, all of a sudden? Kicking someone from the group should not be about language skills, but about gaming skills.