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Another Nerf on DragonKnight Tank ...
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ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »I'm using Ulti Spawn, Plague and Ebon, what do you think how I feel ?
Well i was rolling Spawn/Werewolf/Ebon as my main combo so i know exactly how you fell bro. I guess i'll never hear my healer screaming at me for loosing my hp w/o any obvious reason again. She really hated that build hehe.Edited by inf.toniceb17_ESO on June 5, 2017 1:19PM1 -
SirCritical✭✭✭✭✭I'm sure ZOS has some *** mind-readers in the studio, since now they're able to destroy my unfinished build, even before its birth... Yes, it was a maxHP based tank build, inspired by Alanarre's, just with another class involved (guess, which?) ... Please ZOS next time nerf Automated Defense set, saving me to farm it out from HoF.1 -
ifDoubtNerfIt✭✭✭ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »Oh please tell me how does your group survive the vCoA2 boss who spawns lots of adds without spamming shields (on morrowind, not Homestead) with dd's who do together 40k dps and without a templar or a NB in the group.
If you cant burn the boss then play the mechanics. Simple as that.
Think you don't understand my point/question. Basically how can the group survive lots of adds without a damage reduction ability like Nova or the NB ulti (forgot name)?
And no, I don't play with people who do 60k dmg single-target, nobody really does exept the top 1%, so what other group support should I give so the group survives? (exept 20% spell dmg increase, 10% fire dmg, magma shell, or w/e else is there that I already apply)1 -
Zalicius✭✭✭Earthen Heart
Obsidian Shield:
Reduced the strength of the damage shield you apply to allies to 10% of your max health, down from 15%.
Mages Guild
Equilibrium:
This ability and its morphs’ Health to Magicka trade value is now determined by your character level, instead of scaling with your Max Health; it restores 3000 Magicka for 6000 Health at Rank IV.
This ability and its morphs now reduce all of your healing done and damage shields you create by 50% for 4 seconds, instead of preventing you from healing yourself.
Thanks ZoS ...
How was Obsidian shield nerfed if it was increased?
Obsidian Shield:
Reduced the strength of the damage shield you apply to allies to 10% of your max health, down from 15%.
Increased the strength of the damage shield you apply to yourself by 200%. The total shield value on yourself should remain unchanged after these changes.
Seems fine to me. The tanks job is to hold agro and not die.
Edit:clean up
Edited by Zalicius on June 5, 2017 1:22PM0 -
Danisheraser✭✭✭STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP! Stop your pathetic whine about Dragon Knights being nerfed. The Dragon knight is the single most powerful class in the game when it comes to tanking and supporting your group. Nothing comes close.
What is sad about the change with equilibrium, is that it hurts OTHER classes besides Dragon Knight. Yes there are actually other classes besides the overpowered dragon knight.
But please, please please please stop talking about how much your precious dragon knight is being nerfed. The class is god damn strong!0 -
Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
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I mean they still made a pad 5 burn, wasnt there only 4 guilds to do that?
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Shinkhan✭✭✭
Im Br1ckst0n, offtank of Omnia Vincit. I think i have the Poultry Assassin achievement.
I understand, you are the type of offtanks who goes like "Raidlead : Main tank crashed you need to take the aggro ! You : Nahh sorry i dont want to die."
Actually he takes over just fine.
Kind regards,
The main tank
Well i said "Main tank crashed" just to not say "Main tank died". i understand how glade you are since he is taking over. But are you surviving "just fine"
You are stacking health also so come on.Edited by Shinkhan on June 5, 2017 1:41PM1 -
Woeler✭✭✭✭✭
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I mean they still made a pad 5 burn, wasnt there only 4 guilds to do that?
On the first clear? No not really.Edited by Woeler on June 5, 2017 1:25PM2 -
Br1ckst0n✭✭✭ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »Think you don't understand my point/question. Basically how can the group survive lots of adds without a damage reduction ability like Nova or the NB ulti (forgot name)?
And no, I don't play with people who do 60k dmg single-target, nobody really does exept the top 1%, so what other group support should I give so the group survives? (exept 20% spell dmg increase, 10% fire dmg, magma shell, or w/e else is there that I already apply)
I dont think you understand the boss mechanic. If you damage the boss more adds will spawn. Simply stop damaging the boss, kill the adds and after that you can hit the boss again.Offtank of the year 20160 -
Riggsy✭✭✭✭Increased the strength of the damage shield you apply to yourself by 200%. The total shield value on yourself should remain unchanged after these changes.
Woo perma shielding tank MAGDKs in CP-PVP got a boostMMAGA - We Made Medium Armor Great AgainEvasion: Casting this ability and its morphs now requires that you wear 5 pieces of Medium Armor.
Woe Biden - Mule
Donald Thump - Mule
M'aiq Pence - Mule0 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »Oh please tell me how does your group survive the vCoA2 boss who spawns lots of adds without spamming shields (on morrowind, not Homestead) with dd's who do together 40k dps and without a templar or a NB in the group.
If you cant burn the boss then play the mechanics. Simple as that.
Think you don't understand my point/question. Basically how can the group survive lots of adds without a damage reduction ability like Nova or the NB ulti (forgot name)?
And no, I don't play with people who do 60k dmg single-target, nobody really does exept the top 1%, so what other group support should I give so the group survives? (exept 20% spell dmg increase, 10% fire dmg, magma shell, or w/e else is there that I already apply)
You do understand that this boss spawns adds based on the damage you do to him? Something like every 10% new wave spawns. So you have two options: either you have enough DPS to burn him down fast enough and not be overwhelmed by adds or you can tank the boss to the side, let you group focus add waves one by one and never be overwhelmed by them.0 -
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Not exactly . Instead of abusing 80k health , I was wearing support sets . You know , not Hist Bark , for example . You know it , there was no need to abuse Igneous Shield this much , as proven by our guild but nooo , better go fricking 80k and spam shields even there was no damage incoming . And that is why this nerf is deserved . To stop people from being dense spammers , I like it .4 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hahahaha! Have you guys ever seen ZOS make a balance change this quickly in your life?!8 -
ifDoubtNerfIt✭✭✭Earthen Heart
Obsidian Shield:
Reduced the strength of the damage shield you apply to allies to 10% of your max health, down from 15%.
Mages Guild
Equilibrium:
This ability and its morphs’ Health to Magicka trade value is now determined by your character level, instead of scaling with your Max Health; it restores 3000 Magicka for 6000 Health at Rank IV.
This ability and its morphs now reduce all of your healing done and damage shields you create by 50% for 4 seconds, instead of preventing you from healing yourself.
Thanks ZoS ...
How was Obsidian shield nerfed if it was increased?
Obsidian Shield:
Reduced the strength of the damage shield you apply to allies to 10% of your max health, down from 15%.
Increased the strength of the damage shield you apply to yourself by 200%. The total shield value on yourself should remain unchanged after these changes.
Seems fine to me. The tanks job is to hold agro and not die.
Edit:clean up
This proves that you don't know what you are talking about. Tank is not only about taunting and surviving. The healers job is to not let anyone die tbh (and not only that). The most important job of a tank is positioning of adds/boss/allys so your allys do the most effective dps, then group support AND THEN not dying and surviving. You know how much dps the group looses when the tanks moves the boss 5m further away? Every dps and healer has to apply ground based DoT's and everything just because the tanks is more focused on him and how he can survive and not trusting his healer than the group.ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »Think you don't understand my point/question. Basically how can the group survive lots of adds without a damage reduction ability like Nova or the NB ulti (forgot name)?
And no, I don't play with people who do 60k dmg single-target, nobody really does exept the top 1%, so what other group support should I give so the group survives? (exept 20% spell dmg increase, 10% fire dmg, magma shell, or w/e else is there that I already apply)
I dont think you understand the boss mechanic. If you damage the boss more adds will spawn. Simply stop damaging the boss, kill the adds and after that you can hit the boss again.ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »Oh please tell me how does your group survive the vCoA2 boss who spawns lots of adds without spamming shields (on morrowind, not Homestead) with dd's who do together 40k dps and without a templar or a NB in the group.
If you cant burn the boss then play the mechanics. Simple as that.
Think you don't understand my point/question. Basically how can the group survive lots of adds without a damage reduction ability like Nova or the NB ulti (forgot name)?
And no, I don't play with people who do 60k dmg single-target, nobody really does exept the top 1%, so what other group support should I give so the group survives? (exept 20% spell dmg increase, 10% fire dmg, magma shell, or w/e else is there that I already apply)
You do understand that this boss spawns adds based on the damage you do to him? Something like every 10% new wave spawns. So you have two options: either you have enough DPS to burn him down fast enough and not be overwhelmed by adds or you can tank the boss to the side, let you group focus add waves one by one and never be overwhelmed by them.
And you guys really think that it's so easy to explain a pug how to do it? And even if I try to explain, most of the "cp630" grinders will just ignore and move along as they usually do
Edited by ifDoubtNerfIt on June 5, 2017 1:33PM2 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
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Not exactly . Instead of abusing 80k health , I was wearing support sets . You know , not Hist Bark , for example . You know it , there was no need to abuse Igneous Shield this much , as proven by our guild but nooo , better go fricking 80k and spam shields even there was no damage incoming . And that is why this nerf is deserved . To stop people from being dense spammers , I like it .
You speak like there´s some sort of prestige in not using certain builds.
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There is no set meta for tanking, especially last patch.
I mean they still made a pad 5 burn, wasnt there only 4 guilds to do that?
On the first clear? No not really.
The 4 different guilds that do a pad 5 burn on hardmode vmol each of their tanks were in a different set up. and i really like that.
(As long as you don't go completely astray)Edited by Nifty2g on June 5, 2017 1:39PM#MOREORBS2 -
Teridaxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Zos white knights before early acces: Adapt or die!
People adapt then.
Zos white knights after early acces: Nuh uh, not like this. This is play like you want game afterall, so accept this latest nerf.5 -
Hamburglarjones✭✭✭
TIL alkosh and ebon with a lightning staff giving 6 people igneous = cheesing everyone through the HM vmol
Boone
Dunmer Magicka DragonKnight
MagDK raid build guide
Guild: Dragon's Crest - retired
World's 3rd vHoF clear & 3rd vHoF HM clear4 -
ScottOfLibertalia✭✭✭✭Hamburglarjones wrote: »
TIL alkosh and ebon with a lightning staff giving 6 people igneous = cheesing everyone through the HM vmol
This!
Edited by ScottOfLibertalia on June 5, 2017 1:46PM3 -
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At least we admit where we do noob stuff or not. And also, the fact that you do what we did half a year ago, just show who is improving and who is stuck in this game.
And yet you wonder why people have stopped taking your guild seriously.
*shakes head*PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
Finally a reason not to play League of Legends13 -
staracino_ESO✭✭✭✭So these builds are the reason that so many people have recently started showing up with the Drom'Athra skin? Was trying to figure out why there was a sudden influx of people (some of whom I personally know and can attest to their lack of skill) with the skin.
Or is there still some other 'sploit out there?0 -
Hamburglarjones✭✭✭staracino_ESO wrote: »So these builds are the reason that so many people have recently started showing up with the Drom'Athra skin? Was trying to figure out why there was a sudden influx of people (some of whom I personally know and can attest to their lack of skill) with the skin.
Or is there still some other 'sploit out there?
nah, just more experience overall in the community nowBoone
Dunmer Magicka DragonKnight
MagDK raid build guide
Guild: Dragon's Crest - retired
World's 3rd vHoF clear & 3rd vHoF HM clear2 -
Woeler✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »
At least we admit where we do noob stuff or not. And also, the fact that you do what we did half a year ago, just shows who is improving and who is stuck in this game a new patch has dropped which changed the way tanks can use gear to their advantage entirely.
And yet you wonder why people have stopped taking your guild seriously.
*shakes head*
Edited by Woeler on June 5, 2017 2:05PM1 -
ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭I have avoided ESO completely the last 3 weeks, even the forums since my main is a mDK and im just sick of the rubbish they keep bringing on to this class since imperial city.
As of today, it is the first time i actually log into the forms, and the same rubbish is still being applied to this class, i cancelled ESO+ and morrowind and i doubt i will buy morrowind anytime soon, i maybe just 1 person but i am not spending real money for something that frustrates me and makes my nearly 3 year work on my character (not to mention 4,000+ hours in game on that one character) worth it honestly.
Edited by ZoM_Head on June 5, 2017 2:09PMmDKs still need a lot of love!0 -
Avnr✭✭✭dev comment:
Dragonknights stacking Max Health could create extremely powerful damage shields on multiple allies at the same time, making some encounters easier than intended. We’ve kept the damage shield strength on the casting Dragonknight the same, while making it less effective on allies.
So they ok with the other skills - eye of flame , VD , PD... to make zergs more powerfull , all ok just that dk skill that need nerf
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✭Next step is to nerf ult regen builds: can't have that much uptime on warhorn, makes content easier than intented.
Best way to do it is to add a 30 secs cool-down on warhorn per group cast (after the effect is over)
After that, nerf penetration debuffs stacking: can only have Major and Minor Fracture/Breach now, and both values are reduced by 50%.
And just to balance the whole thing, cap mitigation at 25% at resistance cap
Disclaimer I'm just trolling, seems a legit thing to do since our devs seem to like to troll us too.
Disclaimer 2: I hope I'm not giving the devs any idea
Edited by Arciris on June 5, 2017 2:27PM3
