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Another Nerf on DragonKnight Tank ...
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Shinkhan✭✭✭And this is stupid, next step nerfing the shields so it doesnt scale with max ressources (Tank shield, sorc shield) and give fixed values depending on you max lvl right ?! and why is that zos ? because your servers are soo crap so it cant calculate the values in real time !!!! YES thats the only reason and please dont talk about such *** as "It is made to balance the game" !! NO. Those freacking changes are made for ppl playing pvp and as always it PVE ppl who pay for it because PVPers cant play with that lag and that ping then they are making the game less and less complexe for their poor poor little and tiny servers. Thnx you Zenimax for you smartness and thank you Bethesda for allowing this.4 -
raj72616a✭✭✭✭✭dev team, pls show us how you flawlessly blitz thru vmol hm then tell us again the game is "easier than intended"10 -
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It's such a stupid design though, spell sym and igneous spam for constant shields. it's very mindless, but zeni shouldnt have said that in the developer comment, i dont think one was even needed.
The 2 nerfs are directly connected based on Halls of Fabrication gameplay style people decided to come up with.@ifDoubtNerfItifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »ExcaliburESO wrote: »Where is the nerf to shield spamming sorcs!
The difference is, the shield spamming sorc does it on himself, the DK does it on all allies, so imagine a tank with 78k health bar shielding all alies...., that what was nerfed and the self shield stays, as stated under the paragraph in the notes:
« Dragonknights stacking Max Health could create extremely powerful damage shields on multiple allies at the same time, making some encounters easier than intended. We’ve kept the damage shield strength on the casting Dragonknight the same, while making it less effective on allies. »
Think you forgot this:
Equilibrium:
This ability and its morphs’ Health to Magicka trade value is now determined by your character level, instead of scaling with your Max Health; it restores 3000 Magicka for 6000 Health at Rank IV.
This ability and its morphs now reduce all of your healing done and damage shields you create by 50% for 4 seconds, instead of preventing you from healing yourself.
I didn't forgot anything, the thread was about the DK, not the Mage Guild stuff, so i simply pasted what was about the DK skill lines.
This is why you should never share your build ideas. I'm sure Battlemaster's Corner is just going to be a nerf trap..
Theorycrafters stop sharing stuff xD. You give the devs to many crazy ideas.
its not much of a nerf for the caster people will probably still use it.#MOREORBS0 -
Insandros✭✭✭✭@ArtemiisiaArtemiisia wrote: »@ifDoubtNerfItifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »ExcaliburESO wrote: »Where is the nerf to shield spamming sorcs!
The difference is, the shield spamming sorc does it on himself, the DK does it on all allies, so imagine a tank with 78k health bar shielding all alies...., that what was nerfed and the self shield stays, as stated under the paragraph in the notes:
« Dragonknights stacking Max Health could create extremely powerful damage shields on multiple allies at the same time, making some encounters easier than intended. We’ve kept the damage shield strength on the casting Dragonknight the same, while making it less effective on allies. »
Think you forgot this:
Equilibrium:
This ability and its morphs’ Health to Magicka trade value is now determined by your character level, instead of scaling with your Max Health; it restores 3000 Magicka for 6000 Health at Rank IV.
This ability and its morphs now reduce all of your healing done and damage shields you create by 50% for 4 seconds, instead of preventing you from healing yourself.
I didn't forgot anything, the thread was about the DK, not the Mage Guild stuff, so i simply pasted what was about the DK skill lines.
hmmmm, when did Equilibrium become a DK skill line???
I think you missed a few threads, i posted the Dev comment on the DK shield, and ifDouptnerfit said i forgot a post about Equlibrium, read back up from the one you commented and you'll understand.Edited by Insandros on June 5, 2017 12:46PM0 -
Br1ckst0n✭✭✭Theorycrafters stop sharing stuff xD. You give the devs to many crazy ideas.
Most of the stuff is pretty easy to come up with. As soon as tanks read that their stamina isnt dependant on the pool size anymore they realized investing into more health is the way to go.Offtank of the year 20160 -
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The 2 nerfs are directly connected based on Halls of Fabrication gameplay style people decided to come up with.@ifDoubtNerfItifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »ExcaliburESO wrote: »Where is the nerf to shield spamming sorcs!
The difference is, the shield spamming sorc does it on himself, the DK does it on all allies, so imagine a tank with 78k health bar shielding all alies...., that what was nerfed and the self shield stays, as stated under the paragraph in the notes:
« Dragonknights stacking Max Health could create extremely powerful damage shields on multiple allies at the same time, making some encounters easier than intended. We’ve kept the damage shield strength on the casting Dragonknight the same, while making it less effective on allies. »
Think you forgot this:
Equilibrium:
This ability and its morphs’ Health to Magicka trade value is now determined by your character level, instead of scaling with your Max Health; it restores 3000 Magicka for 6000 Health at Rank IV.
This ability and its morphs now reduce all of your healing done and damage shields you create by 50% for 4 seconds, instead of preventing you from healing yourself.
I didn't forgot anything, the thread was about the DK, not the Mage Guild stuff, so i simply pasted what was about the DK skill lines.
It is, but still is a general skill line than anyone can use, so don'T say it kills the DK since it's for all classes. Finaly the healers will be used for something.Edited by Insandros on June 5, 2017 12:49PM0 -
Shinkhan✭✭✭Using Equilibrium on a tank is garbage anyways.
Well i was expecting more from you Woeler
did you start taking skooma again ? for someone like you who choosed to play with kitty as tank you sould understand how important it is to manage your ressouces. Yes using equilibrium was easy way, for regaining ressources easily and spam shileds, but in the same way that is not helping the group dps wise right ?! so we have to find another way but doesnt mean that equilibrium is garbage. Edited by Shinkhan on June 5, 2017 12:49PM2 -
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But it does "kill" the DK, it's a direct (needed) playstyle nerf.
The 2 nerfs are directly connected based on Halls of Fabrication gameplay style people decided to come up with.@ifDoubtNerfItifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »ExcaliburESO wrote: »Where is the nerf to shield spamming sorcs!
The difference is, the shield spamming sorc does it on himself, the DK does it on all allies, so imagine a tank with 78k health bar shielding all alies...., that what was nerfed and the self shield stays, as stated under the paragraph in the notes:
« Dragonknights stacking Max Health could create extremely powerful damage shields on multiple allies at the same time, making some encounters easier than intended. We’ve kept the damage shield strength on the casting Dragonknight the same, while making it less effective on allies. »
Think you forgot this:
Equilibrium:
This ability and its morphs’ Health to Magicka trade value is now determined by your character level, instead of scaling with your Max Health; it restores 3000 Magicka for 6000 Health at Rank IV.
This ability and its morphs now reduce all of your healing done and damage shields you create by 50% for 4 seconds, instead of preventing you from healing yourself.
I didn't forgot anything, the thread was about the DK, not the Mage Guild stuff, so i simply pasted what was about the DK skill lines.
It is, but still is a general skill line than anyone can use, so don'T say it kills the DK since it's for all classes.
By kill, it at least removes that playstyleEdited by Nifty2g on June 5, 2017 12:52PM#MOREORBS0 -
Shinkhan✭✭✭
yes and I'm going to be a hipster and say I was using it before the update, started using it after 1 tam and switched out before homestead (the build was originally on tamriel foundry) its BORING AS SIN and also puts you in the position of effectively not being able to use the character for anything else. neither appealed to me.
also one of the first rules of any game, especially MMO's is never design builds around exploits OR broken mechanics, you will only end up disappointed and perhaps with a sore face when your crutch is kicked out from under you.
What exploit and what broken mechanic in that case ? Are thay at least working on fixing the bugs that exist since the release of the game without even talking about the bugs they came up with after patches.Edited by Shinkhan on June 5, 2017 12:56PM0 -
ifDoubtNerfIt✭✭✭Using Equilibrium on a tank is garbage anyways.
Well i was expecting more from you Woeler did you start taking skooma again ? for someone like you who choosed to play with kitty as tank you sould understand how important it is to manage your ressouces. Yes using equilibrium was easy way, for regaining ressources easily and spam shileds, but in the same way that is not helping the group dps wise right ?! so we have to find another way but doesnt mean that equilibrium is garbage.
I think it's more like "why play easy, when you can play hard and loose your s*"
Oh please tell me how does your group survive the vCoA2 boss who spawns lots of adds without spamming shields (on morrowind, not Homestead) with dd's who do together 40k dps and without a templar or a NB in the group.Edited by ifDoubtNerfIt on June 5, 2017 12:57PM0 -
Kadoozy✭✭✭✭Artemiisia wrote: »OP you forgot this:
Increased the strength of the damage shield you apply to yourself by 200%. The total shield value on yourself should remain unchanged after these changes.
so not a nerf for the tank, but the effect it has on its allies
That is the point. People were stacking health to shield allies, not just themselves.0 -
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Shinkhan✭✭✭That's what you get for cheesing your way in new trial instead of gitting gud . Deserved nerf is deserved . Completely supporting this change .
Liofa, i wasnt using the Full health *** (70K +) but now ppl will use it for sure and they will go for 70k+, why?! well because they will catch up with the nerf of 5% to allies shields and for equilibrium let say that it is less risky to use it when you have 70K+ health then having 50K. Not a nerf but much then an ajustement was needed, but what bothers me a lot is that it always comes to pvp and the servers calculation thats why they are making those changes.0 -
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Shinkhan✭✭✭
And what is not Nooby Sir ? main tank powerful assault ?! well yeah go for it you will like it.1 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Meh, the equilibrium change is not even that bad. The ratio you get from it is still the same and now you can even fine tune your health to magicka conversion. It really is an easy-mode button though.
The igneous change is obviously not a nerf to tanks. More like a nerf to stamDDs but who cares about them anyway? They can all just go back to crafting/extra bag space role...3 -
Shinkhan✭✭✭
Im Br1ckst0n, offtank of Omnia Vincit. I think i have the Poultry Assassin achievement.
I understand, you are the type of offtanks who goes like "Raidlead : Main tank crashed you need to take the aggro ! You : Nahh sorry i dont want to die."1 -
ifDoubtNerfIt✭✭✭inf.toniceb17_ESO wrote: »
I'm using Ulti Spawn, Plague and Ebon, what do you think how I feel ?
And what is not Nooby Sir ? main tank powerful assault ?! well yeah go for it you will like it.
He will have a baaaad time with it xD0 -
Br1ckst0n✭✭✭ifDoubtNerfIt wrote: »Oh please tell me how does your group survive the vCoA2 boss who spawns lots of adds without spamming shields (on morrowind, not Homestead) with dd's who do together 40k dps and without a templar or a NB in the group.
If you cant burn the boss then play the mechanics. Simple as that.Offtank of the year 20161 -
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Im Br1ckst0n, offtank of Omnia Vincit. I think i have the Poultry Assassin achievement.
I understand, you are the type of offtanks who goes like "Raidlead : Main tank crashed you need to take the aggro ! You : Nahh sorry i dont want to die."
Actually he takes over just fine.
Kind regards,
The main tank5 -
raj72616a✭✭✭✭✭git gud and adapt! only means that your new build will be nerfed two weeks later.
this is getting stupid : (2 -
Kyoma✭✭✭
Rekt
Im Br1ckst0n, offtank of Omnia Vincit. I think i have the Poultry Assassin achievement.
I understand, you are the type of offtanks who goes like "Raidlead : Main tank crashed you need to take the aggro ! You : Nahh sorry i dont want to die."
Actually he takes over just fine.
Kind regards,
The main tank
Will I be able to forget all the wounds that pierce my flesh?
You and your childish justice. I'll rip it to pieces.
Come on, it's showtime. A rain of blood like a volcano
And now I'll blow all of you and you and you...
All to tiny pieces. All to tiny pieces.3 -
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✭✭inf.toniceb17_ESO wrote: »actually full hp plague\pact tanks can sustain w/o equilibrium just fine, so its a small nerf nothing more. it's 50k tanks with ebon who suffer the most from this patch.
Who cares about sustain
Is there anyone having sustain issues ? You can't be serious .
At least in this patch it actually made sense.
By ''sense'' , if you mean ''for cheesing through the trial depending on shields from tank'' , then yes , it certainly did .2 -
Resipsa131✭✭✭Glad to see a shake up in the DK Tank metagame . I like that the DK gets a bigger damage shield.0
