Same thing with mages guild and undaunted. Lol

Its a tough life sometimes, I'll just have to put on my boots and go out into the world and collect the skyshards

Yadvo wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

RT_Frank wrote: »

So please, those of who want no change think about the majority of players rather than the "integrity" of the game or RP reasons or whatever.

Also 46% is not a majority - you need to either listen better in maths or sue your teacher if that's what they taught you.

When he and I refer to "the majority" we consider the sum of those who want skyshards to be account-wide and those who want them to be marked after absorbing them. That is what the definition of change is. And 70% of the players want a change to be introduced in one way or the other. It is the opposite to not touching the system. So please do not manipulate the data.

Also, do not get personal with others, rather try to actually understand what was written and comprehend the sentence. Thanks!

It ill behoves you to accuse others of manipulating the data when you can only get a majority for your opinion that collected skyshards should be account-wide by including one of the poll options that was not related to collected skyshards being account-wide.

This is your second attempt to get people to vote by a majority for account-wide skyshards, and you've failed both times to win the argument. I suggest you leave it there.

Kay1 wrote: »

I'm glad you used my suggestion.

Us console players will be in a dreaming land if they finally decide to do that with Skyshards and Lorebooks.

The grind in console is just horrible while in PC it can take 2-3h in console it can take days, please as someone who also play ESO on PC think about us too we really struggle.

No problem mate! Im actually open to the discussion, despite my strong opinion on the subject. Showing some love to the console players didnt come to my mind at frist. But that seems like an option should the account-wide option not be considered by the developers.

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

Making skyshards account-wide like CP would mean only one of your characters ever has to go into Cyrodiil.

This is an argument against it, no?
You should have to do it or live with not having them. Gathering skyshards might get some people into PvP, even if they thought they wouldn't enjoy it.

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

RT_Frank wrote: »

So please, those of who want no change think about the majority of players rather than the "integrity" of the game or RP reasons or whatever.

Also 46% is not a majority - you need to either listen better in maths or sue your teacher if that's what they taught you.

When he and I refer to "the majority" we consider the sum of those who want skyshards to be account-wide and those who want them to be marked after absorbing them. That is what the definition of change is. And 70% of the players want a change to be introduced in one way or the other. It is the opposite to not touching the system. So please do not manipulate the data.

Also, do not get personal with others, rather try to actually understand what was written and comprehend the sentence. Thanks!

1. Giving console players the ability to see them on the map IS no change as for PC this option exists already - it is just enabling console players to have access to what we already have. Pretending people who want that is the same as wanting skyshards to be account wide is dishonest.
2. I got personal in response to a post accusing me and those like me of being essentially selfish and spiteful if we dared to disagree - if you are going to try and moderate your thread then don't play favourites with those that agree with you it's cheap.

Please stop trying to trigger people to start a fight over a subject of no relevance to the thread. Your opinion was noted and has the same value as every other.

I fully agree that console players do not have addons and a such, certain improvements could be introduced (like the nameplates and buff diplay were). This however considering the "console friendly" option and making them accout-wide, means that the majority wants this subject to be looked into by the developers. The extent of changes is still up to the discussion. Also, if any changes should be made.

Yadvo wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

RT_Frank wrote: »

So please, those of who want no change think about the majority of players rather than the "integrity" of the game or RP reasons or whatever.

Also 46% is not a majority - you need to either listen better in maths or sue your teacher if that's what they taught you.

When he and I refer to "the majority" we consider the sum of those who want skyshards to be account-wide and those who want them to be marked after absorbing them. That is what the definition of change is. And 70% of the players want a change to be introduced in one way or the other. It is the opposite to not touching the system. So please do not manipulate the data.

Also, do not get personal with others, rather try to actually understand what was written and comprehend the sentence. Thanks!

1. Giving console players the ability to see them on the map IS no change as for PC this option exists already - it is just enabling console players to have access to what we already have. Pretending people who want that is the same as wanting skyshards to be account wide is dishonest.
2. I got personal in response to a post accusing me and those like me of being essentially selfish and spiteful if we dared to disagree - if you are going to try and moderate your thread then don't play favourites with those that agree with you it's cheap.

Please stop trying to trigger people to start a fight over a subject of no relevance to the thread. Your opinion was noted and has the same value as every other.

Then stop trying to weasel out of enabling abuse of people who disagree with your view while throwing your straw men at me.

I came to your thread and argued honestly and politely until people chose to start being rude.

The funniest part here is when you realise that all the 'RP' ''Casuals players that dont do endgame content'' ''# i want the best gear by doing casual quests only'' that voted to keep the current skyshards systems are the same ppl who voted to see the vma weapons droping in nma hahahahaha made my day seriously.

Make the skyshards available account wide once you hit level 50. All those that you have not collected before you hit 50 but gathered on other characters at max level, then become available..

I think each character should be treated as completely separate. Shared bank space is good as it just makes "trading" between alts easier. Mounts are only a minor issue as the main could send the cash to a horse to a new toon and exoctic mounts are just bling, the same applies to housing.

Early in the game a character skill points are very limited so a low level character able open every skill as it becomes available will be much more powerful than a character of the same level without what is essentially unlimited supply of skill points. This will make PVE fights either very easy for alts or very hard for new characters.

Things get messy when you hit level 50 because CPs are account wide. When a new alt hits level 50 they suddenly become CP600 (or whatever) and have less than the number of skill points than most of their counterparts. I don't like this, I think champions points should be character based but given this is not the case I would favour alts getting access to skill points once they hit level 50.

If skill points are account wide then the logical conclusion is that it should apply to experience. If a CP600 nightblade wants to play as a warden they should be able to create a CP600 warden without all the hard work to rising their experience, and I don't think that would be a good thing.

Grabmoore wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

Making skyshards account-wide like CP would mean only one of your characters ever has to go into Cyrodiil.

This is an argument against it, no?
You should have to do it or live with not having them. Gathering skyshards might get some people into PvP, even if they thought they wouldn't enjoy it.

PvP is the most miserable experience I've ever had in gaming. Nobody should ever be forced to do it.

Against this. We need to earn it.

Tavore1138 wrote: »

RT_Frank wrote: »

The problem with discussions like these that advocate for change in ESO is that most people who vote for no change do so because they have had to suffer/deal with the system, and hate how new people don't have to if it is changed.

Look at posts that advocate for account wide achievements, vma tokens, removal of trash traits in loot pool, and other similar discussions. The large majority of people against these changes only do so because, for example, to them it's unfair how they have to run vma 5000 times but new players don't.

I too have multiple characters that have recollected skyshards over and over again and I am not looking forward to doing so with my Warden. It is not fun by any means. I don't care if it's easy, it's time consuming and considering all the bs RNG in this game, time is a precious commodity to those of us with busy lives.

So please, those of who want no change think about the majority of players rather than the "integrity" of the game or RP reasons or whatever.

You appear to be indulging in a basic logical fallacy which assumes that the only reason that people disagree with you getting what you want is because they are mean and selfish. It's really not true. Also 46% is not a majority - you need to either listen better in maths or sue your teacher if that's what they taught you.

The things you list are not all alike. It would easily be possible for achieves to be presented both as account wide and on a per character basis to keep both 'sides' happy - people claiming titles a character has not earned was always the issue here for most. I doubt you'd find many who would argue against either tokens or removal of the real trash traits either. But shards are different.

You dismiss the RP aspects of the game rather easily for someone playing an RPG where the reality is that some of us actually enjoy playing this game as it is designed, we like to level up characters, we like to do quests and roam around areas, we like to have to make the choices about when to level which skill and see how it pans out, we like to treat a character as a character rather than just one big account.

Therefore to that type of player, of which I am one, choices about which quest to do or not do, which skill lines we may or may not choose to level and, yes, which shards we might or might not pursue are part of the pleasure of playing the game - a pleasure you seem keen to remove while insulting, by implication, those of us who actually enjoy playing.

I'm just going to respond to your comment phrase by phrase.
1. I'm not really sure how to respond to this. @Yadvo does it best but I honestly don't know where you pulled 46% from. Unless the polls spiked up from 30%, when I wrote my comment, to 46% then back down to 33%, which I doubt. A 2:1 ratio seems to indicate a clear majority/minority standing. I don't think you know how polls work so I'd suggest retaking those math classes buddy .

2. If you read closely, I am not saying that they are alike by practice but rather by principle. I was stating that if you look at any discussion that wants change to an annoying mechanic, there are going to be some people who do not want change (which is fine) under the basis that new players don't have to suffer to get the same things (which is not fine as that logic impedes improvement). Nowhere did I suggest any proposal to these discussions nor claim that they are problems with similar solutions.

3. I am offended that you seem to think of me as some sort of RP hater (just look at some of my comments where I have defended RPers). However, this is an issue that affects the majority of players and these players want change. On previous skyshard posts and by talking to many people on Xbox NA, these people are dissatisfied with the current system so I am merely voicing their concerns. I wrote that last bit to say that those of you who do not want change to just think about the majority. You said it yourself, only some of you actually like skyshard hunting for various reasons. Do you think it's fair to make the majority dissatisfied while the few benefit? I am not bashing RPers; I am just saying to consider the other viewpoints instead of this narrow viewpoint you seem to have (though I doubt most RPers are this myopic). Sorry if this point seems a bit scathing, but I wrote this to prevent short-sighted comments (which your bit on not giving console players a skyshard map because it's on PC proves).

4. Refer to my 3rd point but basically I never said to remove RP pleasures so stop putting words into my mouth.

I've read your comments past this one and I honestly did not think that anyone would get offended so easily by my comment. I figured that I'd leave my two cents and maybe get an Agree or two. I apologize to making you think that I was bashing RPers, or negating opinions, or whatever. However, people who live in a glass house should not throw stones. Your comment deliberately falsified data, put words into my mouth, and insulted my education. Stop playing the role of the victim here.

(Note that my insult to your education is more of a playful retort with little vinegar ).

Ver crime out loud -- Just get yourself the "Skyshards" add-on and you're good to go.

I don't know the solution, but I can say it's really not fun to collect them for every character. To give all skyshards for lvl1 character would be a mistake as well.