Should SKYSHARDS be made available account-wide? [Improved poll, with more options!]

idk · June 2017

Once gathered, the skyshards are marked on the map for other characters (console players suggestion)

Yadvo wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The skill points the character has (which of course skyshards are part of it, should be based on the time put in on the character to get it.

Many of us already have most of the skyshards on many characters. It would essentially be a punishment to long term players to make such a change. The reality is, especially after leveling one character, is we know what we were getting into.

Further, and while small, a very good point, there are 6 shards where 4 of them are more of a challenge to get, not impossible by any means, but they are behind alliance gates. This idea would mean it would be to easy to get since it would merely take having a character in each alliance.

Overall, not a good idea.

Would you kindly expand on the part where you consider it a punishment? In my opinion it would actually be a reward, considering that I'm 99 percent sure that it would be beneficial for you!

Sure, easily, but with a comparison.

Zos added research speed up to the crown store. Personally, I have no issue with that since it is costly if someone really uses it but Zos kept the research system in place instead of nerfing it or making it essentially account wide.

They did something that few, but some, are upset with that already went the months doing research yet still offered players a means to speed things up on their alts and such. If they had basically nerfed research more would have been upset about it.

As for support for your idea. sure, people like to go the easy route. It is natural for a great many. people. That does not mean it should happen.

Yadvo · June 2017

Make the skyshards available account wide, with no restrictions

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The skill points the character has (which of course skyshards are part of it, should be based on the time put in on the character to get it.

Many of us already have most of the skyshards on many characters. It would essentially be a punishment to long term players to make such a change. The reality is, especially after leveling one character, is we know what we were getting into.

Further, and while small, a very good point, there are 6 shards where 4 of them are more of a challenge to get, not impossible by any means, but they are behind alliance gates. This idea would mean it would be to easy to get since it would merely take having a character in each alliance.

Overall, not a good idea.

Would you kindly expand on the part where you consider it a punishment? In my opinion it would actually be a reward, considering that I'm 99 percent sure that it would be beneficial for you!

Sure, easily, but with a comparison.

Zos added research speed up to the crown store. Personally, I have no issue with that since it is costly if someone really uses it but Zos kept the research system in place instead of nerfing it or making it essentially account wide.

They did something that few, but some, are upset with that already went the months doing research yet still offered players a means to speed things up on their alts and such. If they had basically nerfed research more would have been upset about it.

As for support for your idea. sure, people like to go the easy route. It is natural for a great many. people. That does not mean it should happen.

Well I agree that it would make things easier. But thats the whole point. Very few people would chose to run around when they could for an example run trials, try out maelstorm arena with other classes. Wouldn't it be nice to have a choice?

idk · June 2017

Once gathered, the skyshards are marked on the map for other characters (console players suggestion)

Yadvo wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The skill points the character has (which of course skyshards are part of it, should be based on the time put in on the character to get it.

Many of us already have most of the skyshards on many characters. It would essentially be a punishment to long term players to make such a change. The reality is, especially after leveling one character, is we know what we were getting into.

Further, and while small, a very good point, there are 6 shards where 4 of them are more of a challenge to get, not impossible by any means, but they are behind alliance gates. This idea would mean it would be to easy to get since it would merely take having a character in each alliance.

Overall, not a good idea.

Would you kindly expand on the part where you consider it a punishment? In my opinion it would actually be a reward, considering that I'm 99 percent sure that it would be beneficial for you!

Sure, easily, but with a comparison.

Zos added research speed up to the crown store. Personally, I have no issue with that since it is costly if someone really uses it but Zos kept the research system in place instead of nerfing it or making it essentially account wide.

They did something that few, but some, are upset with that already went the months doing research yet still offered players a means to speed things up on their alts and such. If they had basically nerfed research more would have been upset about it.

As for support for your idea. sure, people like to go the easy route. It is natural for a great many. people. That does not mean it should happen.

Well I agree that it would make things easier. But thats the whole point. Very few people would chose to run around when they could for an example run trials, try out maelstorm arena with other classes. Wouldn't it be nice to have a choice?

I agree. It would be nice to have a choice and an ideal item to put into the crown store. Merely adding it to the base game is not a choice but a freebie.

Basically I am more in agreement with Tavor. The poll also suggest the same, that more are not interested in automatic shards.

Yadvo · June 2017

Make the skyshards available account wide, with no restrictions

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The skill points the character has (which of course skyshards are part of it, should be based on the time put in on the character to get it.

Many of us already have most of the skyshards on many characters. It would essentially be a punishment to long term players to make such a change. The reality is, especially after leveling one character, is we know what we were getting into.

Further, and while small, a very good point, there are 6 shards where 4 of them are more of a challenge to get, not impossible by any means, but they are behind alliance gates. This idea would mean it would be to easy to get since it would merely take having a character in each alliance.

Overall, not a good idea.

Would you kindly expand on the part where you consider it a punishment? In my opinion it would actually be a reward, considering that I'm 99 percent sure that it would be beneficial for you!

Sure, easily, but with a comparison.

Zos added research speed up to the crown store. Personally, I have no issue with that since it is costly if someone really uses it but Zos kept the research system in place instead of nerfing it or making it essentially account wide.

They did something that few, but some, are upset with that already went the months doing research yet still offered players a means to speed things up on their alts and such. If they had basically nerfed research more would have been upset about it.

As for support for your idea. sure, people like to go the easy route. It is natural for a great many. people. That does not mean it should happen.

Well I agree that it would make things easier. But thats the whole point. Very few people would chose to run around when they could for an example run trials, try out maelstorm arena with other classes. Wouldn't it be nice to have a choice?

I agree. It would be nice to have a choice and an ideal item to put into the crown store. Merely adding it to the base game is not a choice but a freebie.

Basically I am more in agreement with Tavor. The poll also suggest the same, that more are not interested in automatic shards.

The poll so far suggests that 70% of players wish a change to be introduced to the skyshard system. 50% of the players agree that they should be accoutwide in one way or another.

idk · June 2017

Once gathered, the skyshards are marked on the map for other characters (console players suggestion)

Yadvo wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Yadvo wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The skill points the character has (which of course skyshards are part of it, should be based on the time put in on the character to get it.

Many of us already have most of the skyshards on many characters. It would essentially be a punishment to long term players to make such a change. The reality is, especially after leveling one character, is we know what we were getting into.

Further, and while small, a very good point, there are 6 shards where 4 of them are more of a challenge to get, not impossible by any means, but they are behind alliance gates. This idea would mean it would be to easy to get since it would merely take having a character in each alliance.

Overall, not a good idea.

Would you kindly expand on the part where you consider it a punishment? In my opinion it would actually be a reward, considering that I'm 99 percent sure that it would be beneficial for you!

Sure, easily, but with a comparison.

Zos added research speed up to the crown store. Personally, I have no issue with that since it is costly if someone really uses it but Zos kept the research system in place instead of nerfing it or making it essentially account wide.

They did something that few, but some, are upset with that already went the months doing research yet still offered players a means to speed things up on their alts and such. If they had basically nerfed research more would have been upset about it.

As for support for your idea. sure, people like to go the easy route. It is natural for a great many. people. That does not mean it should happen.

Well I agree that it would make things easier. But thats the whole point. Very few people would chose to run around when they could for an example run trials, try out maelstorm arena with other classes. Wouldn't it be nice to have a choice?

I agree. It would be nice to have a choice and an ideal item to put into the crown store. Merely adding it to the base game is not a choice but a freebie.

Basically I am more in agreement with Tavor. The poll also suggest the same, that more are not interested in automatic shards.

The poll so far suggests that 70% of players wish a change to be introduced to the skyshard system. 50% of the players agree that they should be accoutwide in one way or another.

The poll so far suggest only 43% are in favor of your idea, one way or another.

54% are not in favor of any alt automatically getting credit for shards obtained on other characters though a percentage of those would like the map locations marked for shards they have already harvested on another character making it easier to find on a new alt. They are not voting for the first two options in any manner.

Considering the poll is entertainment value only, like any forum poll, I would have expected a higher number of players voting to get shards on alts with no effort. Really says something that more are fine harvesting shards for each alt.

makreth · June 2017

Actually it's not that much the skyshards themselves but the Horse riding speed. At least make that ACCOUNT wide. But I guess that's out of option with the lessons being sold in crown store sadly..

Walks_With_Kagouti · June 2017

Make the skyshards available account wide once you hit level 50. All those that you have not collected before you hit 50 but gathered on other characters at max level, then become available.

Skyshard hunting IMO is boring and just.... there so god damn many of them x.x. I have all them yes but god when I decided to skyshard hunt... I mean I could have spent all that time doing PVP or side quests. But I will admit.. I did a province a day and that only took me aboot an hour minimum and 2 hours maximum. STILL THOUGH! That's 2 hours I wont get back... I don't even care if I'm whining aboot it! IM GOING TO WHINE! IT WAS BORING! I thought I was suppose to have fun on a game. But anyway. I do kinda wish they were account wide. BUT! Only after you reach level 50. Reason being, I saw the argument early about how a lv 30 would already have 300 skill points available. A character in my opinion doesn't really need that many skill point...

Bouldercleave · June 2017

Once gathered, the skyshards are marked on the map for other characters (console players suggestion)

You should not be able to create a character and instantly have as many as 133 skill points right out of the gate. If you can't understand why that is a bad idea, I will never be able to explain it to you.

I am all for them being presented on the map once you found them (for console love), but I can't and will never be in agreement that skyshards should be account wide or accessable when you hit 50. It just waters down the game too much and it is already on the brink of being minecraft.

And to @Walks_With_Kagouti - yes skyshard hunting is boring if that is ALL you are doing. It's on the same level as mindlessly grinding dolmens or zombies. It's not how the game was designed to be played, so it is "unnatural" in the ESO world. It feels off because it is counter to what they designed the game to be.

SPE825 · June 2017

Make the skyshards available account wide once you hit level 50. All those that you have not collected before you hit 50 but gathered on other characters at max level, then become available.

I'd be fine if they were just marked in the map and you still had to get them. Same for lore books (never doing that again). Obviously I mean for consoles here.

Sharee · June 2017

Once gathered, the skyshards are marked on the map for other characters (console players suggestion)

I agree that the lack of addons makes this somewhat unfair to console players, so the shards being marked on map once found seems fair. Other than that they are fine.

Tandor · June 2017

Skyshards are fine the way they are and should not be touched

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You should not be able to create a character and instantly have as many as 133 skill points right out of the gate. If you can't understand why that is a bad idea, I will never be able to explain it to you.

I am all for them being presented on the map once you found them (for console love), but I can't and will never be in agreement that skyshards should be account wide or accessable when you hit 50. It just waters down the game too much and it is already on the brink of being minecraft.

And to @Walks_With_Kagouti - yes skyshard hunting is boring if that is ALL you are doing. It's on the same level as mindlessly grinding dolmens or zombies. It's not how the game was designed to be played, so it is "unnatural" in the ESO world. It feels off because it is counter to what they designed the game to be.

I think you may have hit quite a large nail firmly on the head there.

I wonder how many of those who don't like having to get skyshards on their alts are leveling those alts from 1-50 in Skyreach and then realising that they have to run around Tamriel getting all their missing skill points through skyshards because they don't want to do any questing as they don't like quests. It all makes you wonder why half of them are even playing a MMORPG in the first place!

Soella · June 2017

Once gathered, the skyshards are marked on the map for other characters (console players suggestion)

Skyshards are absolutely optional if you want just PvP or run group content. There are enough skill points from leveling to have a viable build, especially if you PvP. If you want to do something else - crafting/level skill lines just in case/so on - hunting for sky shards is part of the price we are paying for it.

idk · June 2017

Once gathered, the skyshards are marked on the map for other characters (console players suggestion)

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You should not be able to create a character and instantly have as many as 133 skill points right out of the gate. If you can't understand why that is a bad idea, I will never be able to explain it to you.

I am all for them being presented on the map once you found them (for console love), but I can't and will never be in agreement that skyshards should be account wide or accessable when you hit 50. It just waters down the game too much and it is already on the brink of being minecraft.

And to @Walks_With_Kagouti - yes skyshard hunting is boring if that is ALL you are doing. It's on the same level as mindlessly grinding dolmens or zombies. It's not how the game was designed to be played, so it is "unnatural" in the ESO world. It feels off because it is counter to what they designed the game to be.

Exactly. Nothing needs to be added to this.

Darlgon · June 2017

Pointless poll is pointless.

So, everyone wants to either:
Skip 70 plus skill points by having the skyshards already on thier account,
or
Have a level 1 character with 70 plus skill points.

Neither sounds attractive to me. Actually, it sounds insane.

starkerealm · June 2017

Make the skyshards available account wide once you hit level 50. All those that you have not collected before you hit 50 but gathered on other characters at max level, then become available.

I'll be honest, that level 50 unlock is an appealing concept. Granted, it'll make Aetherial Blue far more common. I almost never see it on anyone else. But still.

Bobby_V_Rockit · June 2017

Make the skyshards available account wide once you hit level 50. All those that you have not collected before you hit 50 but gathered on other characters at max level, then become available.

I'd be more likely to play a 2nd character if world skill line advancement was account wide (i.e. Mage's Guild). Dont tell me about incentives to play, I've been playing daily on the same toon for almost 2 years now.

White wabbit · June 2017

Skyshards are fine the way they are and should not be touched

How many more polls on this subject

starkerealm · June 2017

Make the skyshards available account wide once you hit level 50. All those that you have not collected before you hit 50 but gathered on other characters at max level, then become available.

White wabbit wrote: »

How many more polls on this subject

MORE. ALL THE POLLS! Polls will continue until morale improves!

White wabbit · June 2017

Skyshards are fine the way they are and should not be touched

starkerealm wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

How many more polls on this subject

MORE. ALL THE POLLS! Polls will continue until morale improves!

Yes but I'm sure this subject has been discussed before and I'm sure the majority then wanted it left as it is , so making a poll over and over is just flogging a dead horse

OmniDo · June 2017

Make the skyshards available account wide once you hit level 50. All those that you have not collected before you hit 50 but gathered on other characters at max level, then become available.

The community appears divided on the subject, probably due to various opinion, but of those who voted it appears to be the largest majority (currently 46% at the time I posted this) prefer to make them account wide, with only 30% of voters opting to keep the system as it is.

I liked collecting them all once.
I dont prefer to have to hunt them all down again.
New shards, sure!
Old shards...no thanks. Its just another time sink that prevents me from actually enjoying my characters abilities when they become available.

Kay1 · June 2017

Once gathered, the skyshards are marked on the map for other characters (console players suggestion)

I'm glad you used my suggestion.

Us console players will be in a dreaming land if they finally decide to do that with Skyshards and Lorebooks.

The grind in console is just horrible while in PC it can take 2-3h in console it can take days, please as someone who also play ESO on PC think about us too we really struggle.

Kendaric · June 2017

Once gathered, the skyshards are marked on the map for other characters (console players suggestion)

OmniDo wrote: »

The community appears divided on the subject, probably due to various opinion, but of those who voted it appears to be the largest majority (currently 46% at the time I posted this) prefer to make them account wide, with only 30% of voters opting to keep the system as it is.

I liked collecting them all once.
I dont prefer to have to hunt them all down again.
New shards, sure!
Old shards...no thanks. Its just another time sink that prevents me from actually enjoying my characters abilities when they become available.

You seem to count the third option as in favor of accountwide shards... which isn't the case. Option #3 just unlocks their location, basically it offers similiar functionality to the "skyshards!" add-on to consoles. You'd still be required to collect them to get the skillpoints.

Sweeteh · June 2017

Make the skyshards available account wide, with no restrictions

I really think they do need to be made available account wide...its so god damn boring getting them on every character. WAY to much tedious boring as hell duplication of efforts.

Yadvo · June 2017

Make the skyshards available account wide, with no restrictions

Kendaric wrote: »

OmniDo wrote: »

The community appears divided on the subject, probably due to various opinion, but of those who voted it appears to be the largest majority (currently 46% at the time I posted this) prefer to make them account wide, with only 30% of voters opting to keep the system as it is.

I liked collecting them all once.
I dont prefer to have to hunt them all down again.
New shards, sure!
Old shards...no thanks. Its just another time sink that prevents me from actually enjoying my characters abilities when they become available.

You seem to count the third option as in favor of accountwide shards... which isn't the case. Option #3 just unlocks their location, basically it offers similiar functionality to the "skyshards!" add-on to consoles. You'd still be required to collect them to get the skillpoints.

The statement "with only 30% of voters opting to keep the system as it is." does not imply that it is in favor of account wide skyshards. It means that only 30 % players think that the system should be untouched and 70% of players think that a change should be made, divided into groups not in agreement of thwart the nature of change should be.

Easily_Lost · June 2017

Once gathered, the skyshards are marked on the map for other characters (console players suggestion)

Kendaric wrote: »

Voted that way since console players have no add-ons like we PC players do. Other than that, skyshards are entirely fine as is and we don't need to have accountwide.

This ^^ ^^

notimetocare · June 2017

Skyshards are fine the way they are and should not be touched

Even though I would love every skyshard on all my character with no more work... lol

RT_Frank · June 2017

Make the skyshards available account wide, with no restrictions

The problem with discussions like these that advocate for change in ESO is that most people who vote for no change do so because they have had to suffer/deal with the system, and hate how new people don't have to if it is changed.

Look at posts that advocate for account wide achievements, vma tokens, removal of trash traits in loot pool, and other similar discussions. The large majority of people against these changes only do so because, for example, to them it's unfair how they have to run vma 5000 times but new players don't.

I too have multiple characters that have recollected skyshards over and over again and I am not looking forward to doing so with my Warden. It is not fun by any means. I don't care if it's easy, it's time consuming and considering all the bs RNG in this game, time is a precious commodity to those of us with busy lives.

So please, those of who want no change think about the majority of players rather than the "integrity" of the game or RP reasons or whatever.

Tavore1138 · June 2017

Skyshards are fine the way they are and should not be touched

RT_Frank wrote: »

The problem with discussions like these that advocate for change in ESO is that most people who vote for no change do so because they have had to suffer/deal with the system, and hate how new people don't have to if it is changed.

Look at posts that advocate for account wide achievements, vma tokens, removal of trash traits in loot pool, and other similar discussions. The large majority of people against these changes only do so because, for example, to them it's unfair how they have to run vma 5000 times but new players don't.

I too have multiple characters that have recollected skyshards over and over again and I am not looking forward to doing so with my Warden. It is not fun by any means. I don't care if it's easy, it's time consuming and considering all the bs RNG in this game, time is a precious commodity to those of us with busy lives.

So please, those of who want no change think about the majority of players rather than the "integrity" of the game or RP reasons or whatever.

You appear to be indulging in a basic logical fallacy which assumes that the only reason that people disagree with you getting what you want is because they are mean and selfish. It's really not true. Also 46% is not a majority - you need to either listen better in maths or sue your teacher if that's what they taught you.

The things you list are not all alike. It would easily be possible for achieves to be presented both as account wide and on a per character basis to keep both 'sides' happy - people claiming titles a character has not earned was always the issue here for most. I doubt you'd find many who would argue against either tokens or removal of the real trash traits either. But shards are different.

You dismiss the RP aspects of the game rather easily for someone playing an RPG where the reality is that some of us actually enjoy playing this game as it is designed, we like to level up characters, we like to do quests and roam around areas, we like to have to make the choices about when to level which skill and see how it pans out, we like to treat a character as a character rather than just one big account.

Therefore to that type of player, of which I am one, choices about which quest to do or not do, which skill lines we may or may not choose to level and, yes, which shards we might or might not pursue are part of the pleasure of playing the game - a pleasure you seem keen to remove while insulting, by implication, those of us who actually enjoy playing.

MLGProPlayer · June 2017

You don't really need skyshards. You only need one crafter, which means your alts only need 60-70 skillpoints. Most of these you get from levelling up and the main story quests.

Tavore1138 · June 2017

Skyshards are fine the way they are and should not be touched

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

You don't really need skyshards. You only need one crafter, which means your alts only need 60-70 skillpoints. Most of these you get from levelling up and the main story quests.

Valid point - especially if you consider how many points you can add to that even if you just do the group dungeons, group events in public dungeons and so on.