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We gonna nerf stamina mobility already?
Lord-Otto
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How many more hours do people have to run around corners until ZOS finally understand that dodge+shuffle+major expedition is OP? Enjoy fighting, not chase.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why nerf mobility?
There is plenty of skills that go through dodge.
If they are in heavy they you can snare them every 0.5-1s, so do that.
Why is it a bad thing if they use a pot specifically to sprint away?
Your saying if someone starts a fight they should commit? If i fight two guys and a group of like 8 comes around the corner i shouldn't have a chance to run away, i should just die?PS4 EU DC
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Why nerf mobility?
There is plenty of skills that go through dodge.
If they are in heavy they you can snare them every 0.5-1s, so do that.
Why is it a bad thing if they use a pot specifically to sprint away?
Your saying if someone starts a fight they should commit? If i fight two guys and a group of like 8 comes around the corner i shouldn't have a chance to run away, i should just die?
Yes, because magicka players don't have that luxury.
It gets tedious to be in 1v1 and spending your whole time just running around every nook and cranny there is.
Snares are not available to me, and Shuffle helps, anyway.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
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For once, that would be fair.
But it's more about actually having a fight, rather than chasing around tower second floor and stuff.
Also, the amount you can dodge, and the amount of projectiles that dodges is just ridiculous. Especially since dodging persists while attacking.5 -
LukosCreyden✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nerf proc sets, nerf movement, nerf resource regen, nerf heavy armor, nerf magsorcs, nerf shields, nerf stealth, nerf snares, nerf shuffle, nerf nightblades, nerf magplars.
Screw it. Nerf the game. Nerf your pc/console.
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
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For once, that would be fair.
But it's more about actually having a fight, rather than chasing around tower second floor and stuff.
Also, the amount you can dodge, and the amount of projectiles that dodges is just ridiculous. Especially since dodging persists while attacking.
I understand shield stacking took it up the ass because of sustain issues (LOL 10K magicka for three shields, F U ZOS), but I don't think dodge needs further nerfs.
This meta you need to join them, add more stamina, put on some stam regen, and join the party. Amberplasm and shackle with a couple of tri-stat glyphs, and you can dodge roll the dizzy spammers. Hell, you only need one shield with that setup.
Anyone can see what was going to happen when Magicka cost reduction was killed, but they added TWO stars for breakfree and dodge roll.Edited by Minalan on June 1, 2017 8:09AM0 -
Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If anything, mobility needs to be increased so that a straight immunity to snares is not the only option to avoid being completely locked down, be it the lack of momentum at the end of Streak, the gap closer snares, or simply gap closers being considered as teleports instead of using actual pathfinding like they used to.PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It was this way before Morrowind already.
A combination of Vigor, Shuffle and Dodgeroll made stamina builds virtually unkillable. And the moment your expensive shield drops, you eat instant burst from two or more stam chars in hiding.
People hate about the destro ult, but that was put there specifically to counter block and dodge after DB/SotH stampocalypse.2 -
Dracindo✭✭✭✭✭Can we, stamusers, use magicka for frilly things like running, dodge rolling, break free, and whatnot instead?
I rather like to see a solution against Sorcs shieldstacking first, before nerfing NB even more.Edited by Dracindo on June 1, 2017 8:18AM5 -
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✭✭✭Asma:
If magicka builds can easily chase stamina around corners, and every build can escape zergs from a distance, we got our perfect balance.
Drac:
You mean, like Dark Deal, Fear, Cloak, Fossilize? While you never ever have to worry about CC's and roots?1 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Can we, stamusers, use magicka for frilly things like running, dodge rolling, break free, and whatnot instead?
I rather like to see a solution against Sorcs shieldstacking first, before nerfing NB even more.
There already is a solution against shield stacking, the cost. Please enlighten us how much one stack of three shields will run you. If you don't know, stop crying.
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Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭There are snares which can't be removed with Shuffle and there are more than enough skills which go through dodgeroll. It doesn't need a nerf just because you can't handle it.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
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✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »There are snares which can't be removed with Shuffle and there are more than enough skills which go through dodgeroll. It doesn't need a nerf just because you can't handle it.
Magsorc. Go ahead. List 'em.1 -
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✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »There are snares which can't be removed with Shuffle and there are more than enough skills which go through dodgeroll. It doesn't need a nerf just because you can't handle it.
Magsorc. Go ahead. List 'em.
I honestly don't want that everybody starts using it, that's why I'm not telling you how. And complaining about balance while playing a magsorc... are you serious? I'm not saying nerf magsorcs, but I can say for sure that magicka sorc is insanely strong right now and that medium armor builds don't need another nerf. Stop acting like your class would be a underdog because it's actually top tier in all aspects of the game. I would even say that medium armor needs buffs, because curse + soul strike hits medium armor insanely hard.
But I already know you from your posts there you defend your class over and over again while bashing all other classes at the same time. You can't be taken serious. I can understand if light armor magicka dks or light armor magicka templars complain it, because both builds are underperforming, but not as a magsorc lol.Edited by Ragnaroek93 on June 1, 2017 9:11AMI used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.9 -
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✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »There are snares which can't be removed with Shuffle and there are more than enough skills which go through dodgeroll. It doesn't need a nerf just because you can't handle it.
Magsorc. Go ahead. List 'em.
Curse, heavy lightning attacks, destro ult, encase , wrath's explosion, streak for easy cc
The only mag class that has real problems is magnb because it has no skill that can't be dodged or has good enough dots to kill them.
And guess what you are a sorc you can just streak away and no stam char will ever catch you if you are smart.
And let me tell you how often you can dodge in a tower: 6 times maybe 7 with full l fitted and that means you are at full stam and don't use any of your stamina in another way.
And don't forget that vigor, rally and dodge roll cost 10k stam it's not just the poor sorcs who have to pay more for 3 skills.0 -
Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »There are snares which can't be removed with Shuffle and there are more than enough skills which go through dodgeroll. It doesn't need a nerf just because you can't handle it.
Magsorc. Go ahead. List 'em.
You literally picked the best magicka class to deal with dodge roll builds and complaining...
- Mage's wrath explosion
- Soul Assault
- Atronach
- Negate meant Encase* of course, less skooma more thinkin'
- Streak
- Mines
- Curse
- Shock heavies
- Rune prison
- meteor
- Dawnbreaker
- Destro ult
If you fail to pressure a dodge roll build as a magicka sorc, that's a user issue, not a class issue. The number of tools to deal with those is a thousand folds higher than it used to be.Edited by Asmael on June 1, 2017 11:57AMPC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You mean like my light armor magDK and magblade that I stopped playing because of stamina dominance? Those classes?
And if I plead for actual combat instead of a cat and mouse game, you better take that seriously.
And don't even give me that "I know something but won't tell" crap. x'D Shows you have no idea at all.1 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You mean like my light armor magDK and magblade that I stopped playing because of stamina dominance? Those classes?
And if I plead for actual combat instead of a cat and mouse game, you better take that seriously.
And don't even give me that "I know something but won't tell" crap. x'D Shows you have no idea at all.
If you play light armor magdk you simply run a stupid build, that's like playing a hybrid and crying that your dps is cr*p. And if you really think stamina is superior then look how many stam specs are in dominating organised groups, the only good stam chars you'll see are 1vX or small-scale players who are simply better than you.6 -
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✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »There are snares which can't be removed with Shuffle and there are more than enough skills which go through dodgeroll. It doesn't need a nerf just because you can't handle it.
Magsorc. Go ahead. List 'em.
You literally picked the best magicka class to deal with dodge roll builds and complaining...
- Mage's wrath explosion
- Soul Assault
- Atronach
- Negate
- Streak
- Mines
- Curse
- Shock heavies
- Rune prison
- meteor
- Dawnbreaker
- Destro ult
If you fail to pressure a dodge roll build as a magicka sorc, that's a user issue, not a class issue. The number of tools to deal with those is a thousand folds higher than it used to be.
Wrath - execute, gotta weaken them first
SA - fair enough, but costs a valuable slot. LoS is a prob
Atro - lol, move away?
Negate - on stam? You joking?
Streak - yeah, streak for seven metres against a slope around a corner
Mines - one dodge eliminates them. And how do you chase with them?
Curse - fair enough. Vigor outheals it, though
Shock heavy - gimps you already, also LoS
Rune Prison - CC immunity
Meteor - block
DB - short range, physical
Destro Ult - fair enough, if you can chase them down. Which my claim is you can't1 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You mean like my light armor magDK and magblade that I stopped playing because of stamina dominance? Those classes?
And if I plead for actual combat instead of a cat and mouse game, you better take that seriously.
And don't even give me that "I know something but won't tell" crap. x'D Shows you have no idea at all.
If you play light armor magdk you simply run a stupid build, that's like playing a hybrid and crying that your dps is cr*p. And if you really think stamina is superior then look how many stam specs are in dominating organised groups, the only good stam chars you'll see are 1vX or small-scale players who are simply better than you.
Or maybe they choose stam to abuse dodge, mobility and burst?0 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You mean like my light armor magDK and magblade that I stopped playing because of stamina dominance? Those classes?
And if I plead for actual combat instead of a cat and mouse game, you better take that seriously.
And don't even give me that "I know something but won't tell" crap. x'D Shows you have no idea at all.
If you play light armor magdk you simply run a stupid build, that's like playing a hybrid and crying that your dps is cr*p. And if you really think stamina is superior then look how many stam specs are in dominating organised groups, the only good stam chars you'll see are 1vX or small-scale players who are simply better than you.
Or maybe they choose stam to abuse dodge, mobility and burst?
The same as magsorc with the difference that mag sorc has better burst, same kite capabilities with streak and don't have to fear burst like stam chars do because shields take care of random crits.
Have you ever played stam? If you had you knew that the combination you describe works only in towers or areas with lots of Los, can easily be countered by good players and leaves no space for any errors because 1 random burst can easily kill you4 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You mean like my light armor magDK and magblade that I stopped playing because of stamina dominance? Those classes?
And if I plead for actual combat instead of a cat and mouse game, you better take that seriously.
And don't even give me that "I know something but won't tell" crap. x'D Shows you have no idea at all.
If you play light armor magdk you simply run a stupid build, that's like playing a hybrid and crying that your dps is cr*p. And if you really think stamina is superior then look how many stam specs are in dominating organised groups, the only good stam chars you'll see are 1vX or small-scale players who are simply better than you.
Or maybe they choose stam to abuse dodge, mobility and burst?
The same as magsorc with the difference that mag sorc has better burst, same kite capabilities with streak and don't have to fear burst like stam chars do because shields take care of random crits.
Have you ever played stam? If you had you knew that the combination you describe works only in towers or areas with lots of Los, can easily be countered by good players and leaves no space for any errors because 1 random burst can easily kill you
Streak is completely negated by gapcloserd. And you'll have troubles dealing with slopes and corners.
Mag burst is predictable and slow.
Random crits? Fear of burst? Sorry, I don't see how you're afraid of anything when you can dodge twice every five seconds without running out of stamina, thanks to lower stam cost. And the amount of damage and CC you mitigate with that is insane. You play mag, you got three people on you you can't escape. One CC and you're toast, shields don't scale.
Yeah, keep defending how stam can easily avoid 1v1 fights. And even more. Don't come crying here then when people lose interest in actual fights and just ball up for destro trains.2 -
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✭✭We already have no stam regen while sprinting... what else could you need?PS4 NA DC5 -
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✭✭✭✭Stam doesn't need any more nerfing. Not a single bit. It needs buffing, in fact."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Well sprint penalty is a valid argument. However, I don't think that's enough. Time will tell this one.
And how in the world does stamina need a buff?
Better, faster burst. Mobility. CC/Root freedom. Scaling defenses. Less skill cost. PROC SETS.
WTF?3
