Battlegrounds an light armor

Trittium · May 2017

Hey guys,

So I've been playing the battlegrounds on live as a MagWarden DPS (And in PTS, but as my MagBlade instead). I've always hated playing full heavy armor, so I stick generally to 5 light, 2 heavy for PvP. On my Magblade, it's not too much of an issue. But on my warden, I can't even heal through a 1v1 with my Tree ult and HoTs rolling. I'm so very squishy even running the Major ward / spell resist buff they have on top of the 8% damage reduction morph with peels and shields. I'm so discouraged at this point that I'm actually giving in and going to run 5 heavy.

I just wanted to point it out to anyone that is going to try and run 5-7 light armor on a magwarden for PvP that you're going to be insanely squishy compared to Sorc or NB, so if you want to run this as a full glass cannon, then don't worry about stacking resists, just go all out. If you can make it work somehow, PLEASE tell me how, because this is pathetic.

Minalan · May 2017

Are you using harness on your mag warden?

Light armor is supposed to shield under pressure so that you can take a second and heal to full and go on the offense.

Ahzek · May 2017

Baconlad · May 2017

Your trying to play a light armor build LIKE a heavy armor build is your problem.

Imagine a medium armored user not dodge rolling and not using shuffle, but trying to use resto staff bubble...wont work.

Mag builds in light armor by the class WITHOUT RESTO SKILLS:

Mag sorcs use two shields shields, they have *** for heals, but do have pet heal and ctir damage heal

Magblades use one shield, a hot, cloak, and dodge chance skill.

Magdks use one shield, a hot, flappy wings and mitigation

Magplars can use one shield and BOL, and mitigation.

Magwarden use one shield, hots, and mitigation.

The shield all classes use? Annulment...its our shuffle so to speak. Use it. Effective against all builds. Best against magick builds. Cast your hot, cast mitigation buffs, spam shields when under heavy pressure.

My experience as a light armored magplar, i accually stopped using BOL, i use resto shield and harness magick. Resto shield give you more shield than BOL can heal you for, even though shields take full damage, they cannot be crit against. Which makes for extremely strong defense. Also you get a small heal upfront and a larger heal than with BOL...

Trittium · May 2017

Baconlad wrote: »

Your trying to play a light armor build LIKE a heavy armor build is your problem.

Imagine a medium armored user not dodge rolling and not using shuffle, but trying to use resto staff bubble...wont work.

Mag builds in light armor by the class WITHOUT RESTO SKILLS:

Mag sorcs use two shields shields, they have *** for heals, but do have pet heal and ctir damage heal

Magblades use one shield, a hot, cloak, and dodge chance skill.

Magdks use one shield, a hot, flappy wings and mitigation

Magplars can use one shield and BOL, and mitigation.

Magwarden use one shield, hots, and mitigation.

The shield all classes use? Annulment...its our shuffle so to speak. Use it. Effective against all builds. Best against magick builds. Cast your hot, cast mitigation buffs, spam shields when under heavy pressure.

My experience as a light armored magplar, i accually stopped using BOL, i use resto shield and harness magick. Resto shield give you more shield than BOL can heal you for, even though shields take full damage, they cannot be crit against. Which makes for extremely strong defense. Also you get a small heal upfront and a larger heal than with BOL...

See, I actually am using Healing ward and Dampen Magic for defensives, combined with healing and the Ice fortress for resistances. Even with all that I'm still far more squishy than the other light armor roles I play with less defensives.

DeHei · May 2017

I use nearly a PvE build in BGs too with my Templar.. I go full on damage, but dont use any spamable skills. You just need to play careful, this + on damage make your heals stronger and this effect counters the defense you miss. I feel really strong in BGs with that!

Elong · May 2017

Play more offensively, you can't stay still in light armour and can't be on defence for too long, burn them before they burn you, put the fear of dps into them.

Baconlad · May 2017

Very good points. Playing more offensive does make other enemies *** themselves if you hit hard enough...for BGs though i dont know i missed that in my first read through of your post. Most likely @elong is still correct. go for offense.

Aedaryl · May 2017

You can stack max magicka very high (Necropotence + other stack magicka set, regen on all your jewlery so all magicka stack (= damage) on gear and regen on glyph) and give up spell damage then use Dampen magicka, you will have huuuuuge shield, put it in front bar for reactive defense. It's one of the solution

Ashamray · May 2017

I love advises like "play more offensively". Every stamina character or magicka sorc or magicka nb will outplay you just because they have more toys to be agressive. Goodluck being offensive with minecamper sorc or mNB spamming roots and running like there is no tomorrow. Or jumping stamblade that uses shadow and backstabbing properly.

Elong · May 2017

Ashamray wrote: »

I love advises like "play more offensively". Every stamina character or magicka sorc or magicka nb will outplay you just because they have more toys to be agressive. Goodluck being offensive with minecamper sorc or mNB spamming roots and running like there is no tomorrow. Or jumping stamblade that uses shadow and backstabbing properly.

Well if you don't, you'll die anyway. Put the pressure on them. Mist form through the mines, purge the roots, blow them up! If you're negative about it, you won't succeed.

olsborg · May 2017

Ahzek wrote: »

<my usual comment complaining about how weak medium is>

Yea medium is in a worse spot then all the armors imo. Every hardhitter these days is undodgeable except one skill (incap strike)

Trittium · May 2017

Thank you for all your responses! It's *slightly* better now with heavy armor, but I still get fragged for 9k with 26k Spell resist, but at least I can actually get some damage and the occasional kill off.

For those of you saying medium armor is in a bad spot; I agree. I think That overall Medium and light armor need to be brought up a bit, or heavy armor needs a slight nerf to the spell power and weapon damage stacking. I don't want Heavy Armor killed, I just want the other two to at least be viable options.

CatchMeTrolling · May 2017

All the armor variations are in a pretty good spot right now, the main issue I see is people trying to play them the wrong way. Like a stam nb in medium trying to play like a stam dk in heavy or a light armored magplar playing with no shield as if they're in heavy.

You probably can pull it off but you're not going to produce the same performance playing in each variation with the same play style.

Kas · May 2017

the problem with light armor warden (who otherwise has great skills to time for burst and who love light armor for damage):
Many of your skills are basically useless. In Light armor, you probably want to run the light armor shield (prob. annulement) and healing ward. all pure heal skills (the nature tree) are generelly much less effective that way.

that said: the tree ult ticks with rather low ticks. i'm not saying it cannot be useful, however, it is in no way similar to remembrance w.r.t how much damage you can counter heal

Ashamray · May 2017

Elong wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

I love advises like "play more offensively". Every stamina character or magicka sorc or magicka nb will outplay you just because they have more toys to be agressive. Goodluck being offensive with minecamper sorc or mNB spamming roots and running like there is no tomorrow. Or jumping stamblade that uses shadow and backstabbing properly.

Well if you don't, you'll die anyway. Put the pressure on them. Mist form through the mines, purge the roots, blow them up! If you're negative about it, you won't succeed.

don't simplify. When you're mistforming or purging roots, you, well, do 0 damage. I personally start any fight buffing and looking at opponent's damage, waiting for ults wasted etc. It's usually more effective to convince enemy that you're a weak, so he forget something and get killed than just put him under pressure. Just because Templar's damage dealing isn't instant and reliable like NB's. That's why NBs are kings of pressure while Templar's aren't.
Aggressive game is good for every DD but blind offence of all of those Templar's caused their deaths. Saw it plenty of times.

Mojomonkeyman · May 2017

Im doing quite well in 6 LA dps on magWarden in BGs without shields, not that I have a huge sample size cuz of queue issues, but it's very promising.

Ashamray · May 2017

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Im doing quite well in 6 LA dps on magWarden in BGs without shields, not that I have a huge sample size cuz of queue issues, but it's very promising.

how you're surviving? at first glance I wasn't impessed by warden's healing power.

Mojomonkeyman · May 2017

Full hakeijo, s&b + frost, vines & shimmering.

Ashamray · May 2017

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Full hakeijo, s&b + frost, vines & shimmering.

was thinking about it in my healer setup with stamina netch, serpent mundus and something else for more roll dodging

Baconlad · May 2017

You do zero damage while mistforming? Because my 10k unbuffed proxy det doesnt work through mist...no...it doesnt...and nore does my 11k unbuffed eye of flame...nah it CANT do any damage through mist form....can it?

Waffennacht · May 2017

Baconlad wrote: »

You do zero damage while mistforming? Because my 10k unbuffed proxy det doesnt work through mist...no...it doesnt...and nore does my 11k unbuffed eye of flame...nah it CANT do any damage through mist form....can it?

I know all abilities get locked out, and abilities like streak will take you out of mist form.

But I dunno, but I dunno how serious you are either

luen79rwb17_ESO · May 2017

I tried a Light armor build on my sorc and my stamina got wrecked just with a few blocks or just sprinting a bit.

Kas · May 2017

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Full hakeijo, s&b + frost, vines & shimmering.

shimmering wasn't exactly as good as I'd hoped. but vines + nature's embrace + lotus blessing was great for BGs. corrupting pollen + full mistform duration is also a very decent combo, ideally one to start when you see you'll get focused but still have nearly full hp.

went from getting stomped by every halfway competent player trying to spam fungal to 1v2'ing a warlord + a grand overlord on a domination flag after some changes (typical double AP bleaker's spawn, though. probably never duelled). that said, i play in heavy when on healer gear. I think I'm still miles away from using warden's full potential

Mojomonkeyman · May 2017

Shimmering is one of the strongest warden skills. With decent play you only need shimmering, vines and lotus to be really tanky in light. Netch - vines rotation to get rid of PI or DK dots. Even if you don't get the full debuffs cleansed, you will release a lot of pressure for free, resulting in a ressource fight you are probably going to win.

fred4 · June 2017

I think S&B is probably the key word there. My staff build seems to work best with 2 shields and no vines / lotus. I do use Shimmering.

Jawasa · June 2017

So far i have tried magsorc and magplar in la in bg's. Sorc was fine but i find the magplar very hard to play atleast when joining solo. Lack of mobility and squishy one missed block on frag ment death same with incap+proc from stelth.

Waffennacht · June 2017

Jawasa wrote: »

So far i have tried magsorc and magplar in la in bg's. Sorc was fine but i find the magplar very hard to play atleast when joining solo. Lack of mobility and squishy one missed block on frag ment death same with incap+proc from stelth.

I'm there too, lack of mobility is a death sentence in BGs. I just couldn't get mTemp to perform without a competitive group. Even with PuGs my mSorc did very well.

Now I'm getting interested in Warden, but it typically takes me 2 weeks to get a character to all the levels I want

Jawasa · June 2017

Yeah warden might do it but @Mojomonkeyman that impressed me with his warden dont seem to Happy with them now.

DEATHquidox · June 2017

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I tried a Light armor build on my sorc and my stamina got wrecked just with a few blocks or just sprinting a bit.

A sorc isn't ment to block or dodge roll. Simply to break free from cc shields are for spamming when people throw hard abilities.

Sorcs are a very different class than the others. High damage high mobility and a good tank.

Sorcs are good for the reason that their play style with this game is alot different alot of players. Big world high mobility I honestly miss being able to streak across cyro all day and still have plenty of magicka left

Moglijuana · June 2017

Light Armor OP