Have you ever seen a dragon Knight Healer?

Shanjijri · May 2017

NO

I saw one in Cyrodiil, but I prefer to vote "no" because I never meet one in dungeons. As I only play healers, and 99,9% of the time my NB one, I don't have the chance to meet another healer.

One year ago, I wanted to meet another NB healers. I turned my healer to DPS and I did a few dungeons. I met one awesome sorcerer healer (it was an Orc), one mediocre NB healer, excellent and mediocre Templar healers. But zero DK healers!

Kneighbors wrote: »

Also for some reason other classes forget about resource sharing. Any healer has to cast magickasteal (destro staff) and mystic orbs.

Most of the time, when I run with PUG, no one take the orbs. It's rare when someone pick them. There is Elemental Drain, but it's not enough and stamina users don't care about it. I don't know. Maybe it's me who send them any old how...

MyKillv2.0 · May 2017

Yes

Have I seen a DK healer? I play a DK healer.

It's fun, not meta or the most efficient. However Templars should be more efficient, DKs are still fun to play. I have done every dungeon in the game, clearing hard mode and I am what elitist call a causal, so it can be done by anyone.

Lavennin · May 2017

NO

I play either tank or healer in MMOs and somehow, the more I hear about how awesome Templar healers are, the less I want to play a Templar healer.

I guess I'll play a Templar tank just because.

(Actually it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. The tank can heal...so the healer may DPS.)

Lavennin · May 2017

NO

F7sus4 wrote: »

Lavennin wrote: »

Are resto healers so horrible? I don't see why? There's emergency heal, hot, area hot, buff, debuff...what's missing there that makes them absolutely bad?

Shards reach tank instantly. Orbs are expensive and slow (~10s for 28m distance).

No burst auto-targeted heal (Breath of Life).

No Power of the Light debuff

Lack of Purge-on-demand (via Extended Ritual)

No AoE Drain (via Radiant Aura) or free burst AoE heal (via Repentance)

It is possible to heal all veteran Dungeons with non-Templar healer (double effort and still weaker results) but there are valid reasons why raid setups stick to this particular class.

I'll have to see how Breath works. Isn't Mutagen auto-target burst heal, and ward works just like a burst?

Others seem good though.

Tasear · May 2017

Yes

Griffe wrote: »

I saw one in Cyrodiil, but I prefer to vote "no" because I never meet one in dungeons. As I only play healers, and 99,9% of the time my NB one, I don't have the chance to meet another healer.

One year ago, I wanted to meet another NB healers. I turned my healer to DPS and I did a few dungeons. I met one awesome sorcerer healer (it was an Orc), one mediocre NB healer, excellent and mediocre Templar healers. But zero DK healers!

Kneighbors wrote: »

Also for some reason other classes forget about resource sharing. Any healer has to cast magickasteal (destro staff) and mystic orbs.

Most of the time, when I run with PUG, no one take the orbs. It's rare when someone pick them. There is Elemental Drain, but it's not enough and stamina users don't care about it. I don't know. Maybe it's me who send them any old how...

It helps to remind them to press x at the start. Also remember the cool down is 20 secs. For the most part I don't have people taking my syneries except blood altar...even I don't know how that works...it's mysterious.

Warbow7 · May 2017

Yes

My wife used to main one, used trinimac's valor and infernal guardian sets, worked quite well, but she switched to DD about a month or so ago when she finally leveled her templar healer.

Shanjijri · May 2017

NO

Tasear wrote: »

Griffe wrote: »

I saw one in Cyrodiil, but I prefer to vote "no" because I never meet one in dungeons. As I only play healers, and 99,9% of the time my NB one, I don't have the chance to meet another healer.

One year ago, I wanted to meet another NB healers. I turned my healer to DPS and I did a few dungeons. I met one awesome sorcerer healer (it was an Orc), one mediocre NB healer, excellent and mediocre Templar healers. But zero DK healers!

Kneighbors wrote: »

Also for some reason other classes forget about resource sharing. Any healer has to cast magickasteal (destro staff) and mystic orbs.

Most of the time, when I run with PUG, no one take the orbs. It's rare when someone pick them. There is Elemental Drain, but it's not enough and stamina users don't care about it. I don't know. Maybe it's me who send them any old how...

It helps to remind them to press x at the start. Also remember the cool down is 20 secs. For the most part I don't have people taking my syneries except blood altar...even I don't know how that works...it's mysterious.

I know for the cooldown. I always keep an eye on my orbs and I know when someone take them or not. When I notice someone take them, I pay attention to send them regularly. But when everyone ignore them... At least, it heals/deals damage.

I will ask next time, but I'm always afraid people think I tell them how to play.

Prof_Bawbag · May 2017

Seen it all, mate. Seen a healer using just vigor. Didn't end well. Didn't even have the better morph either so he didm't even have that going in his favour. Jeez, I sat back a laughed. We all did.

DocFrost72 · May 2017

NO

kylewwefan wrote: »

At this point, I've seen all classes try to heal. there is good reason why Templar are most universally accepted healer.

Wasn't it that they had major mending and unique stam return? Emphasis on had?

subtlezeroub17_ESO · May 2017

I think DK healers could be more mainstream if they played off the shield Healer aspect of them. They'd have to also play with passives too.

Rinmaethodain · May 2017

Yes

My friend is die hard fan of DK's he have DK tank, DK dps and of course DK healer.

We ran vHRC non-HM with him healing and vet ICP/WGT before final nerfs.

hmsdragonfly · May 2017

Yes

Lavennin wrote: »

I main a NB healer. I'm new.

It's interesting how everyone is talking about DPS, and we have at least one mainstream DPS build for each class, but healer/tank builds are largely absent. Well, there were a few posts about them some months/years ago I guess.

Are resto healers so horrible? I don't see why? There's emergency heal, hot, area hot, buff, debuff...what's missing there that makes them absolutely bad?

Templar used to be the only class allowed to heal in harder content, because Templar healers were the only one that could feed stamina to the group. Now that everyone can feed stamina to the group, we might see more non-Templar healers in the future.

@Tasear Try Trinimac Valor. That set looks perfect for DK healer. So, Trinimac Valor + SPC, 2nd healer with SPC + Worm.

hmsdragonfly · May 2017

Yes

F7sus4 wrote: »

Lavennin wrote: »

Are resto healers so horrible? I don't see why? There's emergency heal, hot, area hot, buff, debuff...what's missing there that makes them absolutely bad?

Shards reach tank instantly. Orbs are expensive and slow (~10s for 28m distance).

No burst auto-targeted heal (Breath of Life).

No Power of the Light debuff

Lack of Purge-on-demand (via Extended Ritual)

No AoE Drain (via Radiant Aura) or free burst AoE heal (via Repentance)

It is possible to heal all veteran Dungeons with non-Templar healer (double effort and still weaker results) but there are valid reasons why raid setups stick to this particular class.

Correct. Let me just take a moment and laugh at all the "Templar healers are dead", "ZOS killed Templar healers" whiners who were swarming all over the forum like a week ago.

Where are you now? Show your faces. Hahahahahahaha.

Xundiin · May 2017

Yes

Lavennin wrote: »

Kneighbors wrote: »

Lavennin wrote: »

I main a NB healer. I'm new.

It's interesting how everyone is talking about DPS, and we have at least one mainstream DPS build for each class, but healer/tank builds are largely absent. Well, there were a few posts about them some months/years ago I guess.

Are resto healers so horrible? I don't see why? There's emergency heal, hot, area hot, buff, debuff...what's missing there that makes them absolutely bad?

All about burst healing.

Also for some reason other classes forget about resource sharing. Any healer has to cast magickasteal (destro staff) and mystic orbs.

I still don't quite understand. I've played games (yes, ESO isn't other MMO) where some healer classes don't have burst at all and were doing fine. From what I see here, bosses either do a reasonable amount of damage that is often negatable, or one-shot you. Shouldn't HOTs plus some burst like ward and, well, combat prayer be good enough? (It's a question; I honestly don't know.)

I have elemental drain and I believe every other NB healer I met had it.

It's the mentality of the players of this game. They think that the only healers that are viable are burst healers. So that makes any other way of thinking inferior and not worth even trying let alone giving a chance to prove itself. NB healers have been healing every level of content since game launch, and continue to do so even today. But as a NB healer myself a year or two ago. TO many people are stuck in "Templar or gtfo" so finding group are hard at times. I have been told by many players that have ran group content that I heal better on my NB than most Templar healers they know. So the *** comment "resto healers are just bad" needs to go in the garbage along with that mentality.

Lavennin · May 2017

NO

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Lavennin wrote: »

I main a NB healer. I'm new.

It's interesting how everyone is talking about DPS, and we have at least one mainstream DPS build for each class, but healer/tank builds are largely absent. Well, there were a few posts about them some months/years ago I guess.

Are resto healers so horrible? I don't see why? There's emergency heal, hot, area hot, buff, debuff...what's missing there that makes them absolutely bad?

Templar used to be the only class allowed to heal in harder content, because Templar healers were the only one that could feed stamina to the group. Now that everyone can feed stamina to the group, we might see more non-Templar healers in the future.

@Tasear Try Trinimac Valor. That set looks perfect for DK healer. So, Trinimac Valor + SPC, 2nd healer with SPC + Worm.

Is there a good set specifically for NB healers?

Khenarthi · May 2017

Yes

I found a few while PUGging vet pledges, most were quite effective along with my saptank (this was before the current patch, I have not done a pledge for the last month or so).

BigBadVolk · May 2017

Yes

A long long time ago in a Random Normal pug group

starkerealm · May 2017

Yes

Tasear wrote: »

Mady wrote: »

Long, long time ago, yes.

Like 3 years ago.

Sounds mythical....

Used to be, back before Unlimited, they were actually one of the better healing picks. Or at least one of the streamers seemed to think so, and you'd see chatter about how amazing they were all over the place. No idea if this was true. I don't think I even rolled up a DK on live for months. But, DK healers did used to be fairly common.

Carbonised · May 2017

DK healers have 0 going for them. Literally 0. Sure you can wield a resto staff and use the HoT skills to get your group through most of the vet content, but that's resto staff, not DK. There is 0 that synnergises with healing role in the DK tree.

The only non-self heal in the DKs library is Cauterize. Buff overlaps with Inner Light and the heal itself is a random target minor heal every 5 seconds to someone nearby that has to be refreshed every 15 seconds. It's not even a poor man's BoL, it's a poor, blind, mentally challenged man's alternative to BoL.

Draconic Power offers nothing to a healer, Obsidian Shard is a morph no one uses of a skill that no one uses. It doesn't know whether its a DPS skill or a healing skills, and fails at being both. It's also blind and dumb and heals a random target. Or even heals yourself, while the DPS and tank die around you.

Alternatively you can cast Igneous Shield for a tiny shield to your nearby allies (though the DK tank will already be spamming this one, and for a much better shield than you can create), and gain major mending for a whole 3 seconds. That major mending you get by heavy attacking with resto, btw.

I'm not saying a DK healer isn't viable, I've grabbed that resto myself and healed some vet content, but the DK healer is essentially just a resto staff with a DK class attached. The DK class itself brings nothing to the healing table, unlike Wardens and Templars. NBs and sorcs might not be the world's best healers either, but they at least have something from their class skills that synnergize with the role (funnel, matriarch). The DK has nothing whatsoever.

Draqone · May 2017

Yes

Lavennin wrote: »

I still don't quite understand. I've played games (yes, ESO isn't other MMO) where some healer classes don't have burst at all and were doing fine. From what I see here, bosses either do a reasonable amount of damage that is often negatable, or one-shot you. Shouldn't HOTs plus some burst like ward and, well, combat prayer be good enough? (It's a question; I honestly don't know.)

I have elemental drain and I believe every other NB healer I met had it.

4 man dungeon content:

The hardest part about healing in this game is landing the heal on the right person at the right time. I know, i know, that sounds cliche, but it's very true. DDs and tanks don't need you to heal them 97% of the time thanks to their own sustain and perhaps the small ticks mutagen/rapid regen provides.

BoL lands a huge heal on the right person at a press of a button and all you have to do is face in their general direction. Other classes need to either use 2 global cooldowns and/or land a skillshot. DDs have a habit of roll dodging when they mess up and get hit and as a healer you must be reliable .

Trials:
Right now trial healing is actually in a pretty good spot balance wise. Every class can claim they add something to the party. Still, templar does this job most efficiently because it's the easiest class to heal with.

Rev Rielle · May 2017

Yes

I was with a Dragonknight healer in White-Gold Tower once, we did the veteran-hardmore. Their shields were amazing. As good a healer as I have ever had the enjoyment of dungeoning with.

Carbonised · May 2017

Rev Rielle wrote: »

I was with a Dragonknight healer in White-Gold Tower once, we did the veteran-hardmore. Their shields were amazing. As good a healer as I have ever had the enjoyment of dungeoning with.

Amazing shield? What are you smoking? Obsidian shield is health based, so the only scenario where a healer would throw out this shield is if you lack a DK tank. The DK tank has double or more health than the healer, ie. double or more the shield strength. A healer would have as tiny an obsidian group shield as the DPS will have too, due to having aproximately the same amount of health.

Current meta for tanks is leaning towards health tanking anyway, and away from ressources. Meaning even better obsidian shields from DK tanks and comparatively worse for a DK healer.

starkerealm · May 2017

Yes

Carbonised wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

I was with a Dragonknight healer in White-Gold Tower once, we did the veteran-hardmore. Their shields were amazing. As good a healer as I have ever had the enjoyment of dungeoning with.

Amazing shield? What are you smoking? Obsidian shield is health based, so the only scenario where a healer would throw out this shield is if you lack a DK tank. The DK tank has double or more health than the healer, ie. double or more the shield strength. A healer would have as tiny an obsidian group shield as the DPS will have too, due to having aproximately the same amount of health.

Current meta for tanks is leaning towards health tanking anyway, and away from ressources. Meaning even better obsidian shields from DK tanks and comparatively worse for a DK healer.

Depending on when this happened, it could have been during one of those times when shields were fundamentally breaking in weird ways.

Shanjijri · May 2017

NO

Lavennin wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Lavennin wrote: »

I main a NB healer. I'm new.

It's interesting how everyone is talking about DPS, and we have at least one mainstream DPS build for each class, but healer/tank builds are largely absent. Well, there were a few posts about them some months/years ago I guess.

Are resto healers so horrible? I don't see why? There's emergency heal, hot, area hot, buff, debuff...what's missing there that makes them absolutely bad?

Templar used to be the only class allowed to heal in harder content, because Templar healers were the only one that could feed stamina to the group. Now that everyone can feed stamina to the group, we might see more non-Templar healers in the future.

@Tasear Try Trinimac Valor. That set looks perfect for DK healer. So, Trinimac Valor + SPC, 2nd healer with SPC + Worm.

Is there a good set specifically for NB healers?

War Maiden, if you want to boost your damage, seems to be good because it boosts your magicka damage (and NB have a lot of magicka damage based skills).

Stannum · May 2017

Yes

I play argonian DK healer Strawberry-Heals-Forever, She's great.

Ohhgrizyyy · May 2017

I saw one for the first time a couple weeks ago, Even though it was only a vet dungeon, Vet Wayrest 2....One of the best healers I've ever *** seen

hmsdragonfly · May 2017

Yes

Lavennin wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Lavennin wrote: »

I main a NB healer. I'm new.

It's interesting how everyone is talking about DPS, and we have at least one mainstream DPS build for each class, but healer/tank builds are largely absent. Well, there were a few posts about them some months/years ago I guess.

Are resto healers so horrible? I don't see why? There's emergency heal, hot, area hot, buff, debuff...what's missing there that makes them absolutely bad?

Templar used to be the only class allowed to heal in harder content, because Templar healers were the only one that could feed stamina to the group. Now that everyone can feed stamina to the group, we might see more non-Templar healers in the future.

@Tasear Try Trinimac Valor. That set looks perfect for DK healer. So, Trinimac Valor + SPC, 2nd healer with SPC + Worm.

Is there a good set specifically for NB healers?

You should ask @Tasear

code65536 · May 2017

Yes

Carbonised wrote: »

DK healers have 0 going for them. Literally 0. Sure you can wield a resto staff and use the HoT skills to get your group through most of the vet content, but that's resto staff, not DK. There is 0 that synnergises with healing role in the DK tree.

The only non-self heal in the DKs library is Cauterize. Buff overlaps with Inner Light and the heal itself is a random target minor heal every 5 seconds to someone nearby that has to be refreshed every 15 seconds. It's not even a poor man's BoL, it's a poor, blind, mentally challenged man's alternative to BoL.

Draconic Power offers nothing to a healer, Obsidian Shard is a morph no one uses of a skill that no one uses. It doesn't know whether its a DPS skill or a healing skills, and fails at being both. It's also blind and dumb and heals a random target. Or even heals yourself, while the DPS and tank die around you.

Alternatively you can cast Igneous Shield for a tiny shield to your nearby allies (though the DK tank will already be spamming this one, and for a much better shield than you can create), and gain major mending for a whole 3 seconds. That major mending you get by heavy attacking with resto, btw.

I'm not saying a DK healer isn't viable, I've grabbed that resto myself and healed some vet content, but the DK healer is essentially just a resto staff with a DK class attached. The DK class itself brings nothing to the healing table, unlike Wardens and Templars. NBs and sorcs might not be the world's best healers either, but they at least have something from their class skills that synnergize with the role (funnel, matriarch). The DK has nothing whatsoever.

If all you care about is healing, then sure, DK healers are not that great.

But as a general support role, they can offer these things:

Chains (in case the tank isn't a DK or the tank doesn't have the resources to chain a lot)
Talons for AoE lock-down (in case the tank isn't a DK tank or a sorc tank)
Igneous Weapons (Major Sorcery/Brutality so people don't have to run expensive spell pots)
Engulfing Flames (if there isn't a DK dps in the group and the tank is unable to run it)

As it turns out, these are actually quite useful in certain small-group content like vDSA. The healer for our usual vDSA group got three healers on the weekly board last week: two Templars and one DK. And while the DK run was the lowest score of the three (though at 33K, it was still in the top quartile of the weekly leaderboard), the lower score was due to mistakes unrelated to the healer class. With the sustain changes, our tank could no longer keep up Igneous Weapon (we typically use trash pots for vDSA) and Engulfing uptimes like before, and having a DK healer provide those buffs was very helpful.

Sure, the Templar can provide more diverse and stronger heals, but we don't need more heals--most of the game's content doesn't require that much healing. It's the capacity to support that matters more in most situations.

Kali_Despoine · May 2017

Yes

knew a guy who only had the one toon and could not get a group via the GF.
So he put two resto staves on and away he went.
Wasn't half bad
Wasn't great
he still kept you alive i most vet dungeons.

Still better than all the DPS who just queue as a healer or tank without any of the support abilities.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · May 2017

Yes

Lavennin wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Lavennin wrote: »

I main a NB healer. I'm new.

It's interesting how everyone is talking about DPS, and we have at least one mainstream DPS build for each class, but healer/tank builds are largely absent. Well, there were a few posts about them some months/years ago I guess.

Are resto healers so horrible? I don't see why? There's emergency heal, hot, area hot, buff, debuff...what's missing there that makes them absolutely bad?

Templar used to be the only class allowed to heal in harder content, because Templar healers were the only one that could feed stamina to the group. Now that everyone can feed stamina to the group, we might see more non-Templar healers in the future.

@Tasear Try Trinimac Valor. That set looks perfect for DK healer. So, Trinimac Valor + SPC, 2nd healer with SPC + Worm.

Is there a good set specifically for NB healers?

Any damage set, as funnel is based off your dps, so SPC and and damage set that a mag nb would wear, maybe even scathing mage. But nor then likely, one if he few sets healers are allowed to wear these days, ie worm, mending and the like.