Somebody enlightens me

Avidspark · May 2017

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Eh, I don't understand streaming at all, honestly. From either side, watching or broadcasting. So weird.

Same here...must be too old to 'get it' I guess, but then again, I never even liked watching sports that I could play myself...so....meh.

colig · May 2017

Isn't Runescape free? Maybe that's why.

akl77 · May 2017

Araxyte wrote: »

Graphics don't make a game good, the community and content does. I've played Runescape for 5 years now, achieved all 99's and all boss pets compared to 1 year of ESO. In my opinion the Runescape community is nicer and more interactive, for example, many players that play Runescape have set up twitter accounts dedicated to the game and go to Runescape game events every year to meet up with their online friends. Because of the strong community it's easier to find people to boss with.

As for the content, I feel like Runescape has some more challeneging solo/group content which keeps people engaged whilst watching streams. The loot system, which is heavily RNG based, is also really nice - some of the loot from bosses scales depending on how well you did in the fight or how many kills you've done without dying. It's exciting to watch a streamer get a huge rare drop which sells for millions.

You're right. A few times the toxic players in ESO really makes me want to stop playing.
ZOS really need to think about this.

akl77 · May 2017

Magıc wrote: »

Nickernator wrote: »

Why would I watch someone enjoying ESO when I can play it myself? I dont get what's up with all the people that watch them

Similar to LoL. I don't play it very often because it is boring, but I love watching the gameplay at the top level from Kodi/Sypher/Jules/Fengrush/Faso/Hexys etc.

I have a few favourites to watch on twitch ESO too. Not top players but entertaining ones and the one who will chat with viewers.

Desmes · May 2017

akl77 wrote: »

Linken wrote: »

Hmm Comparing Streams from Runescape with ESO?

Only watchable stream ESO have are the pvpers that after 5 min of watching is nagging about inbalance, zergs, boring gameplay and then proceeds to try to smallscale pvp against large zergs, runs up the resource towers and rolls around for 5 min and then gets wrecked and keeps nagging about the above things...

Gee i wonder why no1 thinks that is interesting to watch.

And then you have the Runescape streamers that actually engages with the chat (might be to the slow gameplay) and not really whining about what content the game have but actually enjoys it.

Havnt watched a Runescape stream before this thread came up but there were a clear higher quality on the 2 runescape streams i watched contra the ESO ones ive seen.
And on the bigger picture more people have played Runescape then ESO so ofc there is a bigger interest in it then ESO.

my 2 cents at least.

Well, that's technically side.
What about actual game content differences?
They both mmorpg, howcome after 16 years the players still not sick of it?

RS might have this nostalgic effect, where people play, because they have great memories with that game. Other thing might be that players have been there so long that if they quit, they feel like they have lost their time as investment into game.
I once asked from player (Not runescape player, other MMORPG) why he still playing this MMORPG. He told that he have put so much money into it, that if he quits he feels like he has wasted his money.

Silver_Strider · May 2017

Beauty is only skin deep. ESO is pretty to look at but it doesn't take long before you notice the issues with the game. Balance problems, broken features (I'm looking at you Group Finder), the overly toxic community, etc can really drive people away

akl77 · May 2017

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Beauty is only skin deep. ESO is pretty to look at but it doesn't take long before you notice the issues with the game. Balance problems, broken features (I'm looking at you Group Finder), the overly toxic community, etc can really drive people away

Yup, technical issues was another thing that drove me away from ESO in the past when it crashes every 15min.
Now I'm finding balance problems, if you don't get certain class with certain gear or skill, don't even think about winning in PVP.
No winning means no fun.

Araxyte · May 2017

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Beauty is only skin deep. ESO is pretty to look at but it doesn't take long before you notice the issues with the game. Balance problems, broken features (I'm looking at you Group Finder), the overly toxic community, etc can really drive people away

I agree, the balancing is a huge problem. Instead of multiple small changes over time they hit us with 100 nerfs at once. And yes, the Group Finder is disgusting...

taiji2078 · May 2017

ESO questing and pve is too slow to be interesting to watch, so I don't watch it on Twitch - it's plain boring to watch, but nice to play. So people rather play ESO than watch others play (same for me too).

ESO is easy to play. You don't need to watch others to learn how to play. I used to watch Hearthstone on Twitch because after copying a new deck I wanted to understand first how to play it correctly. With ESO, even if you copy a build, after less than 5 minutes of testing you know everything about it.

ESO pvp isn't very interesting to watch either, because in mass pvp is very little skill involved. At max you can see 10 players exploiting game mechanics and killing 50 players, but even that isn't interesting to watch more than once or twice. Not having a true personal ranking system and a true single pvp, the pvp isn't interesting either. Actually I only PvP in WoW and never in ESO.

For me, no MMORPG is fun to watch on streaming so it's not ESO's fault in particular ... it's just the genre. Maybe ESO is too easy to play, the graphics aren't cuttin' edge technology and the travelling system inside the game is too slow to be interesting (indeed, to reach for a quest could take up to 2-3 minutes of pointless mount riding).

zaria · May 2017

akl77 wrote: »

fisheatsteel wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

fisheatsteel wrote: »

So go play Runescape? I don't get the point of this argument. Runescape sucks. ESO is amazing.

You need to read the whole thread discussions if you don't understand the point.

I have. All I saw was a lot of complaining for what seems like no point. People streaming a game doesn't mean that it's a better game. There are a lot of factors that come into play with streaming. Alot of people probably don't feel the need to stream ESO as they would rather just play it. It also has better graphics and takes up more resources than games like Runescape which means there is more of a chance for the game performance to get crappier with ESO while streaming it. It also has to do with the community that is there. If streaming is more popular in Runescape, more people are probably going to stream it as a result. This entire post just seems like, "Runescape is awesome, ESO sucks. What's up with that?!" The problem is that liking a game has more to do with your opinion.

As I said I don't understand why so many people still plays runescape, I asked because I don't play runescape so I'm curious. Your assumption of me liking runescape just doesn't make sense, cos I don't even play it.
2ndly, I commented earlier that runescape game credit cards are selling on top shelves in retails everywhere, it means people are still buying it, nowhere do I see any ESO game credit selling.

The basic version of runescape is free to play so most have played it.
it can run on anything.
It has decent quests and lots of things to do, the simple graphic makes it easy to add stuff.

Downsides: combat is boring. its very grindy, grapic.

Watching an stream of minecraft sound incredibly boring.
Never seen the point of watching other play games. Skyrim and oblivion has some interesting videos of people messing around. For eso it has to be the same as in messing around doing fun stuff. The group who fools around in dungeons playing noobs is fun. Outside of this its videos of how to do dungeons / trials and builds

Magıc · May 2017

Araxyte wrote: »

Graphics don't make a game good, the community and content does. I've played Runescape for 5 years now, achieved all 99's and all boss pets compared to 1 year of ESO. In my opinion the Runescape community is nicer and more interactive, for example, many players that play Runescape have set up twitter accounts dedicated to the game and go to Runescape game events every year to meet up with their online friends. Because of the strong community it's easier to find people to boss with.

As for the content, I feel like Runescape has some more challeneging solo/group content which keeps people engaged whilst watching streams. The loot system, which is heavily RNG based, is also really nice - some of the loot from bosses scales depending on how well you did in the fight or how many kills you've done without dying. It's exciting to watch a streamer get a huge rare drop which sells for millions.

OSRS or RS3?

jircris11 · May 2017

akl77 wrote: »

I don't understand why so many people still playing and streaming mmorpg runescape with thousands of viewers even at off peak hours. Yet ESO only has 100 viewers for the top streamer at off peak hours.
I mean runescape looks so outdated and no graphics at all.
ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's running out of juice, people finished Morrowind in a week...
What it is that runescape has that ESO lacks? Please enlightens me. And for ZOS to learn.

Imo its due to the freedom RS gives. No classes its all lvled as used.

Draqone · May 2017

IMHO it's because you can play Runescape while watching someone play Runescape.

Kode · May 2017

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's dying.

This seems rather subjective; is this based on your opinion or do you have facts/numbers/developer numbers to back that claim up?

ESO's content is running out fast, even Morrowind have been completed in a week by someone on this forum. It need something that will hold the long time players, it's already ran out of juice long ago.

I completed Morrowind in about a day. Was lucky enough that my study schedule meant I had a half day on the patch release and a day off the following day

Different strokes for different folks. I have seen some players that literally walk from point A to point B and actually talk (with typed made up dialogue)to NPC's, and do quests with all markers and hints off so I am sure they are on the opposite end of the spectrum.

The difference between a hardcore gamer that cares nothing about the details or story and clicks through all the text, waypoints every movement, and the previously mentioned players are pretty extreme. And the vast majority fall somewhere between and are casual. I would bet that casual and slower players actually dominate ESO because of the nature of the ES series (provided a fair amount of ES fans still play, and I believe they do). What I am getting at here is that the majority of the player base won't be through the content for months.

I'm not asserting that your opinion isn't valid, only that it is probably different than most.

Blobsky · May 2017

As one of the main streamers for ESO and a previous runescape player I thought it worth to share some knowledge...

Firstly there are simply less 'regular' streamers as the game is very new. Reality is that there isnt an ESO mainer on at all hours. When there is viewers are generally far higher for everypne as we are far higher on total Twitch viewings.

Secondly to say 100 viewers max is an understatement - I stream daily 11amBST - 6pmBST for 400-500 regular viewers. @FENGRUSH streams for upwards from 700 viewers. @Velukodi and @JuIes pull anywhere between 250-400 daily and many other names such as TechandJunk,Krotha, Speez, Beware etc can pull 150-300 regularly. ALL of us are very new streamers compared to names like Boaty and other large Runescape streamers.

Third. Eso is far too often idolised as a PvP game because of many initial noteable streamers not accepting and enjoying the genre eso actually us - an MMO. I work very hard to try and help people enjoy ALL aspects of an mmo, such as farming, achievements, progress etc but it is a slow progress to grow this market ; simply put, many pvers and social players only expect pvp streams and so dont bother. My hope is that it will change with work.

Fourth. Many other games pay streamers and promote streamers far more than ESO as they are aware how much the marketing is worth and how many sales content creators generate. ESO doesnt pay any regular streamers at all, so streaming the game full time is close to impossible without mass viewer support. It was nice, however, to see twitter promotion of streamers on Morrowind release and my hope is that they will see the value of this and continue to do so.

A lot of major streamers enjoyed morrowind, and this helped a lot. If zenimax start to release more content more regularly such as minigames etc, and promote streamers more, it is very possible the Twitch for the game will grow rapidly.

Lavennin · May 2017

Graphics. I don't get how graphics matter. I mean, sure you may think ESO looks impressive, but compared to our reality it is simply awkward and, well, "dated". Even the most realistic looking single player games are little more than a failed attempt at replicating our real world.

The only kind of good graphics I've seen is the artsy, the hand drawn, or some good pixel art styles.

I actually dislike how many players care that much about graphics, which leads to game devs spending more and more on pushing graphical limit. Content is what matters, but now we have games that are shorter and shorter, shallower and shallower with awesome-looking cinematics and character customization, which aren't that awesome when you look closer.

Edziu · May 2017

Draqone wrote: »

IMHO it's because you can play Runescape while watching someone play Runescape.

yep they all or forgot or never played in Runescape and they dont know in this game are many ways to play, skilling on afk and with this same time you can watching internet or even play in other game just like me..I afk skilling in RS and playing in ESO at the same time xD

QuebraRegra · May 2017

essi2 wrote: »

I have little or no interest in watching someone playing ESO.

It's boring to watch.

like all "sports", and things, why watch other people play what you could play yerself?

What is this streaming thing?

ParaNostram · May 2017

sadownik wrote: »

@ParaNostram let me tell you how it looks from my side. Main story quests, side quests listening to all dialogues - little less than 10h (i did them all focusing just on that - questing). Im pretty sure i got them all but there might be a quest or 2 i missed but very unlikely. Delves, public dungeons, all world bosses but 1 - less than 5 h. I am not achievement hunter so it can add few h to that pool. And what do you mean by exploration?

What I mean by that is, well when I play a TES game I basically ask myself when I get on "what do I feel like doing today?" Do I feel like adventuring? Sure I'll just pick a direction and go, I'll take my time and smell the roses. I'll look at all the little things along the way, go any direction that interests me not just because of a map marker that says there is ____ content in this direction but because oh that looks visually interesting to me. There are a lot of little stories you can stumble upon, like for example the wrecked merchant caravan off the side of the road that has evidence of Ashlanders attacking. There's no quest to tell you that, no dialogue, just a little touch that makes the world feel more alive.

I just woke up sorry if this seems nonsensical, I just woke up.