Somebody enlightens me

akl77

I don't understand why so many people still playing and streaming mmorpg runescape with thousands of viewers even at off peak hours. Yet ESO only has 100 viewers for the top streamer at off peak hours.
I mean runescape looks so outdated and no graphics at all.
ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's running out of juice, people finished Morrowind in a week...
What it is that runescape has that ESO lacks? Please enlightens me. And for ZOS to learn.

essi2

I have little or no interest in watching someone playing ESO.

It's boring to watch.

HappyHaunt

Runescape must be difficult to play with no graphics at all.

Voxicity

People who play ESO are too busy playing ESO

drakhan2002_ESO

akl77 wrote: »

ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's dying.

This seems rather subjective; is this based on your opinion or do you have facts/numbers/developer numbers to back that claim up?

AzraelKrieg

A few reasons.

1. Runescape has been around for ages.
2. There are streamers out there that have communities so cancerous that it deters anyone new coming in

Magıc

Runescape has been out since 01 I think. I myself only quit last August and I'm already contemplating returning to it because of my lack of enjoyment playing ESO.

Add onto that, Runescapes devs POLL most updates. If the community wants something they get it. If they don't? It doesn't come into the game. The runescape playerbase is mostly adults at this point. We all grew up playing runescape as a teen and it'll forever be my favourite game.

akl77

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's dying.

This seems rather subjective; is this based on your opinion or do you have facts/numbers/developer numbers to back that claim up?

ESO's content is running out fast, even Morrowind have been completed in a week by someone on this forum. It need something that will hold the long time players, it's already ran out of juice long ago.

AzraelKrieg

akl77 wrote: »

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's dying.

This seems rather subjective; is this based on your opinion or do you have facts/numbers/developer numbers to back that claim up?

ESO's content is running out fast, even Morrowind have been completed in a week by someone on this forum. It need something that will hold the long time players, it's already ran out of juice long ago.

I completed Morrowind in about a day. Was lucky enough that my study schedule meant I had a half day on the patch release and a day off the following day

Khenarthi

If I have any spare time, I'm playing. Why would I watch someone else play if I could be advancing my own characters? Maybe those Runescape watchers have nothing else better to do?

edit: why do you say ESO is dying? I see a lot of people all over the place even at off-peak hours.

akl77

Magıc wrote: »

Runescape has been out since 01 I think. I myself only quit last August and I'm already contemplating returning to it because of my lack of enjoyment playing ESO.

Add onto that, Runescapes devs POLL most updates. If the community wants something they get it. If they don't? It doesn't come into the game. The runescape playerbase is mostly adults at this point. We all grew up playing runescape as a teen and it'll forever be my favourite game.

Yea I played it when the computer was still huge, lol.
If they improved the graphics I'll seriously consider it.

Magıc

Btw Guthix > All daedric princes/Tribunal

Artemiisia

why watch gamers play, when I can play myself, thats my motto

steamers have never really felt like the entertainment I need, when I dont play

akl77

Khenarthi wrote: »

If I have any spare time, I'm playing. Why would I watch someone else play if I could be advancing my own characters? Maybe those Runescape watchers have nothing else better to do?

The point is popular games gets streamed and watched. Like player unknown battlegrounds, it's massive. Mmo too.

FlyLionel

Just a guess but ESO's launch was terrible, obviously it has gotten better but only us within the community know that..Also most players within the community are busy playing instead of watching..you know? I have countless friends who bought eso and just never understood or cared for it and dropped it within a week/month(point being that it's a huge MMO, the masses won't understand) It's not easy to get into, just my thoughts on that.

AzraelKrieg

akl77 wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

If I have any spare time, I'm playing. Why would I watch someone else play if I could be advancing my own characters? Maybe those Runescape watchers have nothing else better to do?

The point is popular games gets streamed and watched. Like player unknown battlegrounds, it's massive. Mmo too.

It's the new "it" thing so of course it is. Overwatch was streamed big time for a while after its launch too and then slowly settled down. ESO just isn't the type of game that is fast-paced enough to really get someone's attention

drakhan2002_ESO

akl77 wrote: »

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's dying.

This seems rather subjective; is this based on your opinion or do you have facts/numbers/developer numbers to back that claim up?

ESO's content is running out fast, even Morrowind have been completed in a week by someone on this forum. It need something that will hold the long time players, it's already ran out of juice long ago.

Oh, I've already completed most Morrowind achievements and have a Magden at 50. It wasn't that hard. And I am a long time player - heck this account was created in 2013 the day they announced the game to the public. I've been in both betas. So yeah, old time player and MMO gamer in general.

But again, the statement is subjective as is yours - just saying it is "dying" without proof, is not an indication that it is dying. Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it fact.

faerigirl

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's dying.

This seems rather subjective; is this based on your opinion or do you have facts/numbers/developer numbers to back that claim up?

ESO's content is running out fast, even Morrowind have been completed in a week by someone on this forum. It need something that will hold the long time players, it's already ran out of juice long ago.

I completed Morrowind in about a day. Was lucky enough that my study schedule meant I had a half day on the patch release and a day off the following day

I finished it in about 3 days (that's 3 playing sessions not 72 hours) I still need to finish up the skyshards but that's it.

Magıc

akl77 wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Runescape has been out since 01 I think. I myself only quit last August and I'm already contemplating returning to it because of my lack of enjoyment playing ESO.

Add onto that, Runescapes devs POLL most updates. If the community wants something they get it. If they don't? It doesn't come into the game. The runescape playerbase is mostly adults at this point. We all grew up playing runescape as a teen and it'll forever be my favourite game.

Yea I played it when the computer was still huge, lol.
If they improved the graphics I'll seriously consider it.

Never cared for graphics, only gameplay/community. Runescapes community is much more toxic than ESO's, and much more elitist yet still more fun to be apart of imo. Gameplay? Well runescape was always so simplistic but that was the beauty of it.

I left runescape thinking I'm too old for the game, time to move on yet I still haven't played a game more enjoyable than it.

akl77

We need the juice that's in runescape into ESO. What is it they have, that's holding the player base for so long??

Avnr

it's all about details

akl77

And the retail shops still selling runescape game credit cards... means people are still buying...
ESO you got a lot to learn.

randomkeyhits

akl77 wrote: »

We need the juice that's in runescape into ESO. What is it they have, that's holding the player base for so long??

They listen to their players, not only the "we hear what you are saying" type listening but the "hmmmm this might actually be a fun idea to implement" type of listening.

plus the game has been going a long time, more depth, more content, just not as pretty.

Linken

Hmm Comparing Streams from Runescape with ESO?

Only watchable stream ESO have are the pvpers that after 5 min of watching is nagging about inbalance, zergs, boring gameplay and then proceeds to try to smallscale pvp against large zergs, runs up the resource towers and rolls around for 5 min and then gets wrecked and keeps nagging about the above things...

Gee i wonder why no1 thinks that is interesting to watch.

And then you have the Runescape streamers that actually engages with the chat (might be to the slow gameplay) and not really whining about what content the game have but actually enjoys it.

Havnt watched a Runescape stream before this thread came up but there were a clear higher quality on the 2 runescape streams i watched contra the ESO ones ive seen.
And on the bigger picture more people have played Runescape then ESO so ofc there is a bigger interest in it then ESO.

my 2 cents at least.

akl77

randomkeyhits wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

We need the juice that's in runescape into ESO. What is it they have, that's holding the player base for so long??

They listen to their players, not only the "we hear what you are saying" type listening but the "hmmmm this might actually be a fun idea to implement" type of listening.

plus the game has been going a long time, more depth, more content, just not as pretty.

Maybe they don't upgrade the graphics so people can still play with their old machines, lol.

aLi3nZ

Can you please link the top ESO Streamers? Have some interest.

akl77

aLi3nZ wrote: »

Can you please link the top ESO Streamers? Have some interest.

It's on twitch, select ESO game and you'll see all the streams.

JKorr

akl77 wrote: »

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's dying.

This seems rather subjective; is this based on your opinion or do you have facts/numbers/developer numbers to back that claim up?

ESO's content is running out fast, even Morrowind have been completed in a week by someone on this forum. It need something that will hold the long time players, it's already ran out of juice long ago.

People who want to run through content will do that for any game, not just ESO.

I also wonder if the people who rush the content ever bother to read the in-game information. Judging by some of the questions I've seen, I'll go with "no". One of the reasons I haven't bothered much with the pledges and trials is because many times the group doesn't allow time to read/interact with the npcs, or explore. That, to me, isn't playing the game. Running out of content, or missing much of the content because they rush through everything to be the first or something? My game experience is much different than yours, then.

What do you consider "long time players"? Do I count, since I've been here since beta/early access? And I've been subbed the whole time. Total of 18 characters now, haven't filled up the second account roster yet. Bought Morrowind for both accounts. Haven't explored more than half of Vvardenfell yet....

DumdogsWorld

I know that on my next character I'm likely going to stream everything in the game for archiving purposes, so when I encounter a bug that I want to report, I can just submit footage.

Zenimax had better find the extra information useful.

starkerealm

akl77 wrote: »

I don't understand why so many people still playing and streaming mmorpg runescape with thousands of viewers even at off peak hours. Yet ESO only has 100 viewers for the top streamer at off peak hours.
I mean runescape looks so outdated and no graphics at all.
ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's running out of juice, people finished Morrowind in a week...
What it is that runescape has that ESO lacks? Please enlightens me. And for ZOS to learn.

Might have something to do with the part where ESO isn't the only Elder Scrolls game getting streamed... just a thought.

akl77

Linken wrote: »

Hmm Comparing Streams from Runescape with ESO?

Only watchable stream ESO have are the pvpers that after 5 min of watching is nagging about inbalance, zergs, boring gameplay and then proceeds to try to smallscale pvp against large zergs, runs up the resource towers and rolls around for 5 min and then gets wrecked and keeps nagging about the above things...

Gee i wonder why no1 thinks that is interesting to watch.

And then you have the Runescape streamers that actually engages with the chat (might be to the slow gameplay) and not really whining about what content the game have but actually enjoys it.

Havnt watched a Runescape stream before this thread came up but there were a clear higher quality on the 2 runescape streams i watched contra the ESO ones ive seen.
And on the bigger picture more people have played Runescape then ESO so ofc there is a bigger interest in it then ESO.

my 2 cents at least.

Well, that's technically side.
What about actual game content differences?
They both mmorpg, howcome after 16 years the players still not sick of it?