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  • FleetwoodSmack
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  • Panomania
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    Every year in every MMO I have played over the last 2+ decades around April or May we see the same posts on these game forums: "This game is dying!!" Every. Game. Every year.

    Then around August or September people are amazed at the sudden influx of new and returning players.

    Gee, wonder why.
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  • ParaNostram
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    People "completing" Morrowind I have a question, does that mean you've done every quest or just the main story? Does that mean you've explored every little bit of content? Did you listen to the dialogue or just skip through it?

    Like, to say you've completed something in the TES series feels... Idk it feels so off to me maybe I've just been playing these games too long but TES games never felt to me like something you play to complete, but rather something you play to experience ya know?
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  • Linken
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    @akl77

    As allready mention the game devs are actually using polls for what the community wants and implements it in a decent speed contra how slow it seems for Zenimax to actually release new content, fix bugs and listen to its community.

    But Runescape are way more simple to add stuff in to compared to ESO cause lets face it Runescape aint that good looking or have that many working system below the surface as ESO have, the depth is there in Runescape just way more simple.
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  • Fingolfinn01
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    Runescape had the best instanced dungeon Pest Control, that was epic. Alas the last time I had played they nerfed it.

    Who knows why. Maybe I better fact chk it. Or maybe its the bots. Runescape is botscape the last time I played it.

    There were bots at the merchants buying and selling. lol If ya hven't played runescape then you hve never been to bot heaven.

    I ended becoming a human bot in that game.
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  • AzraelKrieg
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    People "completing" Morrowind I have a question, does that mean you've done every quest or just the main story? Does that mean you've explored every little bit of content? Did you listen to the dialogue or just skip through it?

    Like, to say you've completed something in the TES series feels... Idk it feels so off to me maybe I've just been playing these games too long but TES games never felt to me like something you play to complete, but rather something you play to experience ya know?

    Every quest, gone to every part of the map, have all achievements excluding the motif ones and the ones associated with dailies, listened to, well, read all dialogue.
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  • akl77
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    Panomania wrote: »
    Every year in every MMO I have played over the last 2+ decades around April or May we see the same posts on these game forums: "This game is dying!!" Every. Game. Every year.

    Then around August or September people are amazed at the sudden influx of new and returning players.

    Gee, wonder why.

    I guess Aug September summer holidays for the kids, new influx.
    The question is howcome runescape can have lived after 16 years and still strong?
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  • Sausage
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    Bots? Something just aint right, 220 mill player and only 1 mill on Facebook. I would almost bet my life its bots. Business world is full of scams and self-lying.
    Edited by Sausage on May 30, 2017 1:29PM
  • Vizikul
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    faerigirl wrote: »
    akl77 wrote: »
    akl77 wrote: »
    ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's dying.

    This seems rather subjective; is this based on your opinion or do you have facts/numbers/developer numbers to back that claim up?

    ESO's content is running out fast, even Morrowind have been completed in a week by someone on this forum. It need something that will hold the long time players, it's already ran out of juice long ago.

    I completed Morrowind in about a day. Was lucky enough that my study schedule meant I had a half day on the patch release and a day off the following day :D

    I finished it in about 3 days (that's 3 playing sessions not 72 hours) I still need to finish up the skyshards but that's it.

    Yea, it was stated that morrowind contains 30 hours of gameplay. A professional mmorpg game reviewer said that these 30 hours are most likely the time it takes for a dev to complete and for players it's probably much less.
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  • akl77
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    Vizikul wrote: »
    faerigirl wrote: »
    akl77 wrote: »
    akl77 wrote: »
    ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's dying.

    This seems rather subjective; is this based on your opinion or do you have facts/numbers/developer numbers to back that claim up?

    ESO's content is running out fast, even Morrowind have been completed in a week by someone on this forum. It need something that will hold the long time players, it's already ran out of juice long ago.

    I completed Morrowind in about a day. Was lucky enough that my study schedule meant I had a half day on the patch release and a day off the following day :D

    I finished it in about 3 days (that's 3 playing sessions not 72 hours) I still need to finish up the skyshards but that's it.

    Yea, it was stated that morrowind contains 30 hours of gameplay. A professional mmorpg game reviewer said that these 30 hours are most likely the time it takes for a dev to complete and for players it's probably much less.

    30 hours plus warden class, that's an expensive expansion...
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  • hmsdragonfly
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    akl77 wrote: »
    I don't understand why so many people still playing and streaming mmorpg runescape with thousands of viewers even at off peak hours. Yet ESO only has 100 viewers for the top streamer at off peak hours.
    I mean runescape looks so outdated and no graphics at all.
    ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's running out of juice, people finished Morrowind in a week...
    What it is that runescape has that ESO lacks? Please enlightens me. And for ZOS to learn.

    On the bright side, BG is very entertaining to watch.

    When it works, of course.
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  • fisheatsteel
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    So go play Runescape? I don't get the point of this argument. Runescape sucks. ESO is amazing.
  • akl77
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    akl77 wrote: »
    I don't understand why so many people still playing and streaming mmorpg runescape with thousands of viewers even at off peak hours. Yet ESO only has 100 viewers for the top streamer at off peak hours.
    I mean runescape looks so outdated and no graphics at all.
    ESO looks amazing and is elder scrolls, yet it's running out of juice, people finished Morrowind in a week...
    What it is that runescape has that ESO lacks? Please enlightens me. And for ZOS to learn.

    On the bright side, BG is very entertaining to watch.

    When it works, of course.

    Yea I sometimes find watching the streamings and chatting there more fun than me playing.
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  • akl77
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    So go play Runescape? I don't get the point of this argument. Runescape sucks. ESO is amazing.

    You need to read the whole thread discussions if you don't understand the point.
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  • souravami
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    1. Runescape is in the market for a much longer time compared to ESO. As a result it has a much bigger and closely knitted community.
    2. Runescape streamers are objectively much better than ESO streamers. They actually interact with the people in chat. On the other hand ESO streamers XPOSE each other.
    3. Pretty graphics doesn't make a mmo better, community and content does.
    4. ESO is the worst among all the Elder Scrolls games, older games like Skyrim or Oblivion has higher viewer count compared to ESO in Twitch as a result.
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  • Magıc
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    Runescape had the best instanced dungeon Pest Control, that was epic. Alas the last time I had played they nerfed it.

    Who knows why. Maybe I better fact chk it. Or maybe its the bots. Runescape is botscape the last time I played it.

    There were bots at the merchants buying and selling. lol If ya hven't played runescape then you hve never been to bot heaven.

    I ended becoming a human bot in that game.

    They got rid of bots in 2012 or so. They employed a lot of the people who made the bots to work for them to fix the problem. Bots are still a thing on the OSRS server but not very bad.
  • fisheatsteel
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    akl77 wrote: »
    So go play Runescape? I don't get the point of this argument. Runescape sucks. ESO is amazing.

    You need to read the whole thread discussions if you don't understand the point.

    I have. All I saw was a lot of complaining for what seems like no point. People streaming a game doesn't mean that it's a better game. There are a lot of factors that come into play with streaming. Alot of people probably don't feel the need to stream ESO as they would rather just play it. It also has better graphics and takes up more resources than games like Runescape which means there is more of a chance for the game performance to get crappier with ESO while streaming it. It also has to do with the community that is there. If streaming is more popular in Runescape, more people are probably going to stream it as a result. This entire post just seems like, "Runescape is awesome, ESO sucks. What's up with that?!" The problem is that liking a game has more to do with your opinion.
  • zeratulsin
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    Pretty self explanatory , Runescape has a far bigger playerbase and community than ESO has or probably will ever have.
  • Zalicius
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    zeratulsin wrote: »
    Pretty self explanatory , Runescape has a far bigger playerbase and community than ESO has or probably will ever have.

    Not to mention it can run on a pocket calculator. So, there's that.
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    Eh, I don't understand streaming at all, honestly. From either side, watching or broadcasting. So weird.
  • Judas Helviaryn
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    Magıc wrote: »
    Btw Guthix > All daedric princes/Tribunal

    I worshipped Guthix before it was cool! Y'all just jumpin' on the "Guthix is dead, long live Guthix!" bandwagon!

    Always takes the green portal.
  • akl77
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    akl77 wrote: »
    So go play Runescape? I don't get the point of this argument. Runescape sucks. ESO is amazing.

    You need to read the whole thread discussions if you don't understand the point.

    I have. All I saw was a lot of complaining for what seems like no point. People streaming a game doesn't mean that it's a better game. There are a lot of factors that come into play with streaming. Alot of people probably don't feel the need to stream ESO as they would rather just play it. It also has better graphics and takes up more resources than games like Runescape which means there is more of a chance for the game performance to get crappier with ESO while streaming it. It also has to do with the community that is there. If streaming is more popular in Runescape, more people are probably going to stream it as a result. This entire post just seems like, "Runescape is awesome, ESO sucks. What's up with that?!" The problem is that liking a game has more to do with your opinion.

    As I said I don't understand why so many people still plays runescape, I asked because I don't play runescape so I'm curious. Your assumption of me liking runescape just doesn't make sense, cos I don't even play it.
    2ndly, I commented earlier that runescape game credit cards are selling on top shelves in retails everywhere, it means people are still buying it, nowhere do I see any ESO game credit selling.
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  • Kodrac
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    Why do people still play EQ2? Why do people still play SWtOR? Why do people still play.... Because they like to?
  • Magıc
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    Magıc wrote: »
    Btw Guthix > All daedric princes/Tribunal

    I worshipped Guthix before it was cool! Y'all just jumpin' on the "Guthix is dead, long live Guthix!" bandwagon!

    Always takes the green portal.

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  • sadownik
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    @ParaNostram let me tell you how it looks from my side. Main story quests, side quests listening to all dialogues - little less than 10h (i did them all focusing just on that - questing). Im pretty sure i got them all but there might be a quest or 2 i missed but very unlikely. Delves, public dungeons, all world bosses but 1 - less than 5 h. I am not achievement hunter so it can add few h to that pool. And what do you mean by exploration?
  • akl77
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    I mean runescape looks ridiculous, yet it's got the point, it's Addictive till the point you can't put it down I guess.
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  • Nickernator
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    Why would I watch someone enjoying ESO when I can play it myself? I dont get what's up with all the people that watch them
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  • zeratulsin
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    akl77 wrote: »
    I mean runescape looks ridiculous, yet it's got the point, it's Addictive till the point you can't put it down I guess.

    Sure it looks garbage , but the fact it still has player retention means it does things right.
    ESO will never have a huge community for multiple reasons that are quite obvious.
  • Magıc
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    Why would I watch someone enjoying ESO when I can play it myself? I dont get what's up with all the people that watch them


    Similar to LoL. I don't play it very often because it is boring, but I love watching the gameplay at the top level from Kodi/Sypher/Jules/Fengrush/Faso/Hexys etc.
  • Araxyte
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    Graphics don't make a game good, the community and content does. I've played Runescape for 5 years now, achieved all 99's and all boss pets compared to 1 year of ESO. In my opinion the Runescape community is nicer and more interactive, for example, many players that play Runescape have set up twitter accounts dedicated to the game and go to Runescape game events every year to meet up with their online friends. Because of the strong community it's easier to find people to boss with.

    As for the content, I feel like Runescape has some more challeneging solo/group content which keeps people engaged whilst watching streams. The loot system, which is heavily RNG based, is also really nice - some of the loot from bosses scales depending on how well you did in the fight or how many kills you've done without dying. It's exciting to watch a streamer get a huge rare drop which sells for millions.
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