so ESO is going to be p2w for just/even casuals who want just achievs/titles

BigBadVolk · May 2017

the whole game is p2w, you have to buy potions or ingredients, gear sometimes if you're that lucky, food if you're lazy like me, drain magicka poisons, or materials and tempers for crafting gear, and the worst part is you need to pay with GOLD where this world goes

((((

Edziu · May 2017

altemriel wrote: »

PAY TO WIN, REPEAT AFTER ME "PAY TO WIN"

A TITLE DOES NOT IMPROVE ANYONES CHANCE TO WIN AT ALL....

READ AFTER ME AGAIN "PAY TO WIN"...

I also propose you to read to read other posts before because I see you just skipped all posts after few 1st where I explaining how I did mistake with "p2w" notion in this thread

schroed360 · May 2017

Dymence wrote: »

LOL titles are p2w now

I m so happy to see that a lot of poeple are thinking this way...because it means that someday I ll be able to buy grand overlord and emperor even if i never go past caltrops unlock on my character. Also i will buy dro mathra destroyer without à bunch of effort put in trial.
Actually i could already buy the " master trader" one aka the 3 mannor.
I can t wait for vma weapon crown crate with only sharpened in it because since vma weapon can be obtain in game that would not be P2W just convinience^^.

Feanor · May 2017

The fool proof recipe for a pages long thread full of absurdity: Just state something totally irrelevant is P2W. Get out your popcorn, have fun.

"You know Peg, in the real world they don't give prizes for the longest period as a Sophomore." (Al Bundy)

Rev Rielle · May 2017

This is in no way shape or form, Pay 2 win.

*Sighs*

It gets so tiring when so many forum users these days use terms and phrases over and over and over again without actually taking the time to understand what they actually mean.

ookami007 · May 2017

While titles obviously aren't P2W, I do see the OPs point about game-wide holiday events having required expansion that are REALLY unrelated to the event.

Of course, it's ZoS's GOD GIVEN RIGHT to be complete ARSES (and they exercise this right often), so they can do whatever they want, but as one poster pointed out - it's in poor taste.

I personally could care less about titles, since no one really looks at them. At least, I don't and no one has ever said "WOW... great title" or any such acknowledgement of any titles I had.

But with game-wide world events, it's nice to know that you can complete the event and if you don't want to shell out the money for a half-baked, bug ridden poor excuse for an "expansion" which is actually only SLIGHTLY larger than other DLCs, but renamed an expansion so they could screw the subscribers out of getting it with their subscription, then you have no hope of completing the event, thus it causes hard feelings.

Enough hard feelings, and you reputation suffers (well, what little reputation they have left).

Feanor · May 2017

@ookami007

You know you can take part in Midyear Mayhem without owning Morrowind just fine, right?

ookami007 · May 2017

Feanor wrote: »

@ookami007

You know you can take part in Midyear Mayhem without owning Morrowind just fine, right?

Of course. You know you can't complete it without owning Morrowind, right? Which I believe was the OP's point.

Feanor · May 2017

Well, people who didn't get the Twice Spiked Ale recipe in the New Life event couldn't complete it either. I think it's natural to give some incentive to BGs with Midyear Mayhem too. Completionists may be cringing at the thought that something isn't accessible from base game. As far as titles go that's the case already though, so I don't get the complaint.

KingMagaw · May 2017

I agree its another shameful angle for Z0$ to push Morrowind.

Prior to this, people could of subbed for a short time, played the DLC/new content - Complete the achievements, move on and dont play the DLC again but completed the achievements and had there character progression.

With this scam of changing Morrowind to an expansion, players cant do what i said above and an option is taken away forcing the only other option to purchase full wack price. To play for ~2 days complete achievements and move on.

This dirt move is aimed to include the casuals who like achievements into the Z0$ net of Pay2Play. Probably lose more players doing this.... maybe even close another PvP campaign down in 6 months to continue to hide the fact less people playing.

JinMori · May 2017

I would consider this bad taste, but definitely not p2w, you should look up the term, p2w are BUFFS, that you pay for, not achievements.

ookami007 · May 2017

Feanor wrote: »

Well, people who didn't get the Twice Spiked Ale recipe in the New Life event couldn't complete it either. I think it's natural to give some incentive to BGs with Midyear Mayhem too. Completionists may be cringing at the thought that something isn't accessible from base game. As far as titles go that's the case already though, so I don't get the complaint.

Your logic (and I am being generous with my use of that word) makes ZERO sense. During the New Life event, items (like Twice Spiked Ale) were AVAILABLE to be earned by all since the event only used zones that were in the base game. Even if the RNG was not your friend, those recipes were available to buy from the store from other players.

In the upcoming event, you CANNOT complete some of the achievements, and thus the end achievement, without the expansion.

So your "logic" is flawed, as is your comparison.

Feanor · May 2017

double post

Feanor · May 2017

The point was that all achievements have requirements. For the Midyear Mayhem the requirement for that one particular achievement for Battlegrounds is owning Morrowind.

The arguments in this thread against that so far:

1) Oh no! I need to buy Morrowind to get that achievement!

2) Oh no! I have to PvP to get that achievement!

I still don't get what's so bad about that at all. It's true, you could get the Twice Spiked Ale from base game. I just wonder what all those completionists do with the achievements that are really hard and require a DLC. But probably those are the ones who pay 2m+ for a VMoL carry too.

taiji2078 · May 2017

Sorry. It's a MMO. You have to pay for it in some form, if you want the game to continue.
This is how this world works ... you need to pay your bills, they need to pay theirs.

Even the fact that you do not pay a subscription is a wonderful thing and you should be thankful. To whom ? Well, mostly to the other players, paying their subscription and buying the expansions so that you could play your game on the official server, for free.

No flame intended. It's just an observation. You cannot ask everything to be free. In this world nothing is for free ... unfortunately.

LE: ... and if they would add some armor you could buy for real money instead of wasting countless hours on RNG, I would buy it gladly. They should also forbid such armor in pvp, because p2w is really lame.

Kay1 · May 2017

But some people really care about *** achievements that are locked per character?

I can understand it in a game like GW2 where you get the best skins and cosmetics from achievements and you can also show how much points you have but in this game you don't get anything, just points

Fodore · May 2017

When you see OP call them ZO$ you know it's time to leave the thread

starlizard70ub17_ESO · May 2017

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

Logging in is p2w

Life itself is p2w, get used to it.

soll · May 2017

It's pay to win now, guys, abandon the game!
hah, the title for holiday event, P2W

Personofsecrets · May 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This might win dumbest post of the day (there was also one about AC in the running). The game needs to charge money to fund the development of expansions. That cost is passed on to the consumers. That is how real life works.

If you want to get all the achievements in the game, you are going to have to buy for and play the whole game. Not sure why that is such a difficult concept for some to grab.

It may be difficult in the same way that many people find it difficult to understand the many ways that ESO is a pay to win game.

Personofsecrets · May 2017

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

People need to stop using P2W as the catch all term for every scummy business practice by companies like this.
No, this does not meet the definition of P2W

Yes, this is a scummy tactic (of which there are many examples throughout the history of ESO)

No, it does meet the definition of P2W, your overly particular definition is insufficient.

Personofsecrets · May 2017

jircris11 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

its pathetic, you need to buy this the poorest expansion of MMO world to just be able complete event achievement....ZO$ greed have no borders

its not p2w, where in gods name does this title give you an advantage. ffs people get over your ego and buy the expansion or don;t in the end if you don;t then you have no rights to complain about titles and content that comes with it. its the same with WoW,GW2 and hell even swtor forces you to be a sub if you want to partake in ANY of the new content.

Many people like to discuss and even brag about their achievement point score.

How does such an achievement scheme not give people who paid an advantage? That is the better question.

Personofsecrets · May 2017

Tandor wrote: »

Are some people really so dumb as to complain that they can't finish all the content in an evolving game without having to get all the evolving content?

I guess they are.

I guess it is the same people who were dumb enough to think that they would just keep getting free access to DLC by subscribing to the game!

What suckers!

Personofsecrets · May 2017

Malamar1229 wrote: »

dont be a free loader

*Don't expect pro-consumer business practices*

Personofsecrets · May 2017

ParaNostram wrote: »

Threads like this are evidence that kids don't know what pay to win is anymore.

Posts like this are evidence that some people never knew what pay to win was to begin with.

Personofsecrets · May 2017

altemriel wrote: »

PAY TO WIN, REPEAT AFTER ME "PAY TO WIN"

A TITLE DOES NOT IMPROVE ANYONES CHANCE TO WIN AT ALL....

READ AFTER ME AGAIN "PAY TO WIN"...

Wrong - the title in and of itself is winning.

Personofsecrets · May 2017

JagangLeJuste wrote: »

P2W an achievment ? OMG guy you want a P2W game ? go play Black Desert Online or World of Tanks and you will see...

ESO is just a year or so behind world of tanks.

Pretty soon we will get game algorithms that decide when and when we won't succeed.

Personofsecrets · May 2017

Rev Rielle wrote: »

This is in no way shape or form, Pay 2 win.

*Sighs*

It gets so tiring when so many forum users these days use terms and phrases over and over and over again without actually taking the time to understand what they actually mean.

It get's pretty tiring to see how many folks are unwilling to budge from their ill-conceived notions.

Edziu · May 2017

taiji2078 wrote: »

Sorry. It's a MMO. You have to pay for it in some form, if you want the game to continue.
This is how this world works ... you need to pay your bills, they need to pay theirs.

Even the fact that you do not pay a subscription is a wonderful thing and you should be thankful. To whom ? Well, mostly to the other players, paying their subscription and buying the expansions so that you could play your game on the official server, for free.

No flame intended. It's just an observation. You cannot ask everything to be free. In this world nothing is for free ... unfortunately.

LE: ... and if they would add some armor you could buy for real money instead of wasting countless hours on RNG, I would buy it gladly. They should also forbid such armor in pvp, because p2w is really lame.

I wanted to continue this game..but not in this way which is goind now

I was subscriber since game release and what we get now? about base game changes cancelled my subscription and also I dont want to buy *** dlc called "expansion" because its just greedy stripping money from just new conent name whiel itself content as expansion is poorest of all MMO games history

I just wanted to get holiday achievement but this isnt possible without additional paying price almost same as base game but for content which is poorer than dlc content this is why I dont paying now for this game if I want this game to stay alive..but way in which ZO$ is going with this game is just pathetic greedy forcing you to buy this "expansion" for just stupid holiday achievement if you are just acheivement hunter

Artis · May 2017

You guys are being hypocrite. If you were all about PvP, for example, and they added a DLC with must-have PvP gear - you would say it's p2w. And I'm saying - must-have gear, that gives too much of advantage, like it's impossible for you to play your game without it. Players with it will beat you in most cases.

Well, I have news for you. There are players who play for PvP and some of them compete with other PVPers, there are players who play for PvE and some of them do so competitively (leaderboards, scores). Well, there are also players who play for completion and collecting achievements or titles. To them this thing is clearly p2w, because when they compare achievements/titles with a player who owns Morrowind - there is no way they can "win". And yes, it's different with DLCs, because you have access to DLCs if you're subbed.

All I'm saying is that concerns of those players are as important as yours. If you don't care about their game - just move along. No need to insult an OP. You probably feel entitled to having PvP or PvE or whatever you play balanced and fair.