so ESO is going to be p2w for just/even casuals who want just achievs/titles

Edziu

its pathetic, you need to buy this the poorest expansion of MMO world to just be able complete event achievement....ZO$ greed have no borders

Malamar1229

dont be a free loader

ShedsHisTail

And you "win" when you get all the achievements, that's how it works?


But, I mean, you realize you have to buy the expansion to get -all- the achievements included in that expansion, right?

magictucktuck

Edziu wrote: »

its pathetic, you need to buy this the poorest expansion of MMO world to just be able complete event achievement....ZO$ greed have no borders

LOL i win if i get and achievement??? since when has a MMo not had holiday achievements? or DLC related achievements

Turelus

This thread title really confuses me.

However I tend to agree that achievements which require you to buy a DLC/Expansion in a game wide holiday event are in poor taste from ZOS.

Queo

Wow... This forum make me feel like a white valley girl some day, because 'I cant even...'

DaveMoeDee

You consider achievements P2W? If that is the case, P2W is acceptable.

Please stop throwing around the term P2W to make acceptable things sound unacceptable. Until achievements lead to in-game buffs, it is silly to include them in a discussion of P2W. You end up sounding silly. It is no more P2W than buying expensive mounts.

And, yes, Morrowind seems underwhelming for the price, though I haven't played any other MMOs to compare.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

This might win dumbest post of the day (there was also one about AC in the running). The game needs to charge money to fund the development of expansions. That cost is passed on to the consumers. That is how real life works.

If you want to get all the achievements in the game, you are going to have to buy for and play the whole game. Not sure why that is such a difficult concept for some to grab.

LMar

There is an Imperial City win achievement in there too you know. Last I checked you needed to buy that one or have an ESO+ sub.
What would be however very annoying is if we can't get those achievements due to bugs and all.

timb16_ESO85

By this definition, every single mmo which releases expansions in existence is p2w. Don't you hate it that somebody in WoW who purchases expansions is able to get better gear than you, don't you hate it that somebody in LotRo is able to get better equipment, just because he purchased extra zones. The same is true for ESO. Expansions should add new things that people who don't purchase them cannot get, how else would the expansion be an added value. The least of these things added is an achievemnt in a different category, half the pvp tab is unachievable when you don't purchase morrowind. Some gear sets aren't available, some styles aren't available. All this does not make it p2w, it makes it an expansion.

otis67

Oh well. too bad for the people who dont buy it.

Tandor

Are some people really so dumb as to complain that they can't finish all the content in an evolving game without having to get all the evolving content?

I guess they are.

Linaleah

oh OP, you sweet summer child... you haven't actualy played any other MMO's have you if you think Morrowind is "the poorest expansion of MMO"

there is nothing wrong with holiday achievements requiring newest content.

I'm more annoyed that its a pvp holiday, but... for decorations i guess I'm going to have to /shudder try

Doctordarkspawn

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This might win dumbest post of the day (there was also one about AC in the running). The game needs to charge money to fund the development of expansions. That cost is passed on to the consumers. That is how real life works.

If you want to get all the achievements in the game, you are going to have to buy for and play the whole game. Not sure why that is such a difficult concept for some to grab.

Then maybe the devs should make something worth charging for.

ParaNostram

You know, it's common practice to just make all content rely on buying the new expansion. ZOS purposefully makes sure all old content can be done even after the expansion is released. Just saying. Was WoW pay to win for having expansions?

Edziu

for me its just pathetic how I want to get all possible achievs but except those from expansion because I dont have it because reasons and then I see Im forced to but this pathetic expanstion to just get other achiev with title from event and then I will be stuck with missing achievs from basic game because it need in hide stupid expansion

Absolut_Turkey

*facepalm*

jircris11

Edziu wrote: »

its pathetic, you need to buy this the poorest expansion of MMO world to just be able complete event achievement....ZO$ greed have no borders

its not p2w, where in gods name does this title give you an advantage. ffs people get over your ego and buy the expansion or don;t in the end if you don;t then you have no rights to complain about titles and content that comes with it. its the same with WoW,GW2 and hell even swtor forces you to be a sub if you want to partake in ANY of the new content.

O_LYKOS

If winning to you means getting every single achievement then it shows you heavily invest in to this game in which case I imagine you have no issues with buying morrowind.

ShedsHisTail

Edziu wrote: »

for me its just pathetic how I want to get all possible achievs but except those from expansion because I dont have it because reasons and then I see Im forced to but this pathetic expanstion to just get other achiev with title from event and then I will be stuck with missing achievs from basic game because it need in hide stupid expansion

What does this have to do with winning?

Hallothiel

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This might win dumbest post of the day (there was also one about AC in the running). The game needs to charge money to fund the development of expansions. That cost is passed on to the consumers. That is how real life works.

If you want to get all the achievements in the game, you are going to have to buy for and play the whole game. Not sure why that is such a difficult concept for some to grab.

^^this^^

Xundiin

If you don't understand the meaning of "Pay to Win", stop using it. It just makes you sound like a moron. No, really.

Absolut_Turkey

Edziu wrote: »

for me its just pathetic how I want to get all possible achievs but except those from expansion because I dont have it because reasons and then I see Im forced to but this pathetic expanstion to just get other achiev with title from event and then I will be stuck with missing achievs from basic game because it need in hide stupid expansion

Go home Edziu. You're drunk.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This might win dumbest post of the day (there was also one about AC in the running). The game needs to charge money to fund the development of expansions. That cost is passed on to the consumers. That is how real life works.

If you want to get all the achievements in the game, you are going to have to buy for and play the whole game. Not sure why that is such a difficult concept for some to grab.

Then maybe the devs should make something worth charging for.

We are just throwing fuel on the stupid fire. If you dont like the devs content, dont buy it and dont play. Send gold mats on your way out.

MisterBigglesworth

People need to stop using P2W as the catch all term for every scummy business practice by companies like this.

• No, this does not meet the definition of P2W
• Yes, this is a scummy tactic (of which there are many examples throughout the history of ESO)

DeadlyRecluse

Each achievement I gain brings me one step closer to winning. Especially those stupid festival achievements.

"P2W" is probably the second most misunderstood term on this forum, after "viable."

Edziu

yeah..maybe it was very bad world for this as "p2w" bu it just that triggered me when friend showed me next step from ZO$ greed how to simple stupid event achievement you are forced to buy this overpriced "expansions" which is on dlc level...

Vipstaakki

Is there no end to your entitlement? ZOS is not being greedy by creating EVENT ACHIEVEMENTS. Would you prefer that Morrowind has no achievements and events? Yeah, that would be real fun.

Epona222

Let's be clear, getting an achievement is not "P2W".

However, I am unhappy that a holiday/festival type event requires the expansion to complete and get the title, and have given feedback along those lines.

If it was a Morrowind anniversary achievement in a years time, fine, it would make sense - but not for an in game festival achievement.

KochDerDamonen

You're playing an MMO

Most of them 100% expect you will have the expansions and your entire game progression level/gear progression will be ruined by not having them, not to mention missing out on basically all the other content for that year. Is this different because ESO is Buy-to-Play, or are you going to tell me that WoW was Pay-to-Win when they put out WotLK?

playsforfun

as far as i'm concerned it's not p2w, imho everyone should be able to take part in holiday events