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Battlegrounds are unfair and need a TIER system
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A person having $10 total on his bank account should be able to buy $630 tools - as much as person having $630 do. That's not how it works."Just level up" is not a solution. As long as players are allowed to enter PvP at level 10, they have the right to expect a balanced experience at level 10, as much as possible. That means not having to face decked-out CP630's.
That would be a valid analogy if the level 10 player demanded a CP 630 performance in the BG.
But since he doesn't - it isn't.Edited by Sharee on May 26, 2017 12:54PM3 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Battlegrounds should be lvl 1-49 and lvl 50. The two should never be mixed. Those are good break points that would still keep queues poppoing enough. The same change should not occur with dungeon GF since there is already a vet dungeon queue that is only lvl 50+.
Breaking it up further would hinder sub lvl 50 BGs though.
Until then we just have to deal.Edited by idk on May 26, 2017 12:51PM2 -
Blackshark✭✭✭Anyone who thought BG's without a hidden (or visible) MMR or ELO system combined with a tier system would be "fun" was off their rocker.
As it stands, BG's are a crapshow of epic proportions and I will be avoiding until ZOS releases some sort of ranking system to make matches more competitive.
I doubt it will ever happen though because creating an ELO system takes quite a bit of expertise and skill.0 -
theamazingx✭✭✭✭The possibility of a sub-50 queue might come when Morrowind's full release comes, but only if there's enough people to make it viable. And you have to understand, at level 10, a level 35 player will still trounce you.
Being a low level is a temporary state, not a playstyle, so it's not exactly high on the list of people to cater to.
Honestly, I'm hoping newbies getting rekt in BGs will cut down on how often I read "If everything scales, what's the point in leveling?" in /zone.0 -
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✭I might enter a few solo at first, but I'll for sure be queuing as a structured group of 4 max level max geared players as soon as it's fixed... if it gets fixed...0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Anyone against tiers just want to keep beating on noobs instead of facing players on their same level.
Tiers should not be mandatory though and still allow those low levels that want a challenge to fight higher levels.Edited by TequilaFire on May 26, 2017 1:35PM2 -
A person having $10 total on his bank account should be able to buy $630 tools - as much as person having $630 do. That's not how it works."Just level up" is not a solution. As long as players are allowed to enter PvP at level 10, they have the right to expect a balanced experience at level 10, as much as possible. That means not having to face decked-out CP630's.
I remember in gw2 , the way I saw what a class could do endagme and could test it out was to go into pvp since it gave me a separate set of gear for it and made me cap out and allowed me to allocate points into all of the skills that were unlocked just for pvp. As it stands, if there is a chance for a motif from the bg dailies then they may still be worth sitting through on alts though.Edited by necronomniconb14_ESO on May 26, 2017 2:47PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭You guys are too needy. Asking for all of this complicated stuff.
All I want is for the queue to work right.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭MeinChurro wrote: »If you are going to market your new expansion towards new and returning ELDER SCROLLS players including the new pvp mode in these advertisements PvP should be playable for them. Yes, I said playable, it is not at all playable in any way whatsoever. Having a large BG area and quests for this in the first major city for the apparent NEW starting zone just adds insult to injury. If I am losing you, Here's the bottom line. When I hit level 10 I can jump straight into PvP BG or cyrodiil as can any brand new player, however when, as a new player in particular, you join you have a very, VERY rude awakening. You are facing players with hundreds of skill points (level 50 cp630 much of the time) while you on your lowly level 10 have maybe a dozen skill points most of your skills (and passives I might add) LOCKED, no second weapon so you lose out on an entire set of skills. It is egregious that you think this isn't a problem in allowing this to happen with no tiers. Even if you were at the same level same low level crafted gear set, you would still be missing a huge amount of skills and passives. A major disadvantage. I don't even have a third skill unlocked on my main skill line. Utterly ridiculous Your bolster is absolute dog poo as well.
ADD PVP TIERS. Specifically to Battlegrounds, Cyrodiil it is less noticeable since you can just run with a large group and pretend you are helping, and actually you can help more in that, but for a Battleground with MUCH fewer players this is a necessity. Fix this.
While you are prob right about BGs, cyro is fine and there are no cp and 49 and under campaigns still.“Whatever.”
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Indeed. Fix the basics first before adding new stuff.timidobserver wrote: »You guys are too needy. Asking for all of this complicated stuff.
All I want is for the queue to work right.
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MakoFore✭✭✭✭✭
✭the need different campaigns like pvp,
make different BG campaigns-
1. pre-groups- so groups of organised playres- i guess a "pro" league.anyone can quee- but u need to be a max cp player, u need to have at least 3 in ur crew, etc.
2. random pug BG's, no cp.
3. below level 50 CP.
4. and a casual quick game mode- where all players play with template gear. like on the PTS make each player choose from say 6 sets ,no poison, no potions- or at least limited amounts.
but most of all- fix the baseline game guys- its broken as ***. once they do that- i look froward to the game modes being refined. remember peple- its still pre- release. i know its disappointing it doesn't work- but thats how zos does it . release something broken- then fix it along the way- and leave it unfinished to move on . look at imperial city , duelling , cyrodil, all the trials, etc, etc.
only thing they evolved and fixed are the pve dungeons. looking at how they brought that along- if only they could do that for all the game modes. but hey - crown crates guys!0 -
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✭If they are going to offer the battlegrounds quest at level 10 then they definitely need to make a 10-49 queue only, like the old bwb campaign. Sure let players have a choice but right now there is no choice and a level 10 joining into a group where often you don't even get a full team is just going to get slaughtered.
Battlegrounds and the groupfinder for it should never have been released in this state. We have new players right now that are running into all these issues and its a *** poor first impression.DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault2 -
ItsDyvim✭✭✭http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/03/08/eso-morrowind--battlegrounds-basics
Here is where ZOS advertised a 10-49 and a 50+ battleground.
I want my level 10-49 Battleground, just like they advertised. It's why I bought this "Expansion".
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✭subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »Eh, BGs will eventually evolve through patches I'm willing to bet.
AHAHAH.. sorry.. couldn't resist.... what I think will really happen... "feature done, moving on to the next DLC"
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Rikkof✭✭✭SleepyTroll wrote: »There was supposed to be an option for players under 50, I'm guessing there are not enough players to do that since I'm always fighting the same people in every BG all day. And the fact that solo queue goes up against premade like every other match. Hopefully, it's just because of it being early access.
BINGO.....
http://steamcharts.com/app/306130#7d1 -
Everstorm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It always baffles me that people expect a level playing field in a game that has many different levels. I have played many MMO's and not a single one has a PvP system that people aren't complaining about, loudly. Anyway, far as I'm concerned PvP and MMO's don't mix.0 -
imenace✭✭✭what you guys are saying with the mmr and *** like that wont work in this game, the game doesnt have enough players.. simple as that. the only thing they should do is separate groups from solo playersEdited by imenace on May 27, 2017 8:58AM0 -
ItsDyvim✭✭✭@ZOS_BrianWheeler:
Battlegrounds will match players by level and champion rank along with whether you're grouped or not. Leaderboards are split up based on game type: Team Deathmatch, Mobile Flags and Land Grab. The rank on that Leaderboard is determined by the Medals you earn in the battlegrounds tied to those Leaderboard types. You're place on the leaderboard isn't effected by your win/loss.
Not delivering on promises. @ZOS_BrianWheeler do you want to address this or ignore it?
Edited by ItsDyvim on May 31, 2017 5:54AM0 -
ItsDyvim✭✭✭@ZOS_BrianWheeler:
Battlegrounds will match players by level and champion rank along with whether you're grouped or not. Leaderboards are split up based on game type: Team Deathmatch, Mobile Flags and Land Grab. The rank on that Leaderboard is determined by the Medals you earn in the battlegrounds tied to those Leaderboard types. You're place on the leaderboard isn't effected by your win/loss.
Not delivering on promises. @ZOS_BrianWheeler do you want to address this or ignore it?
@ZOS_BrianWheeler is going to ignore this I guess. Well done!0
