Having no cp setups for your characters would be a wise thing to do. Who knows what zos wants to do, but the implementation of BGs no CP tells you everything you need to know(plus all of the campaign redesigns.) No CP is the way zos wants PVP, they only kept one campaign to calm the masses. Imo.

Well i dislike non cp atm have been playing with cp for a long time now and i'm not gonna give that up anytime soon just a bit annoyed with this forced gameplay tbh...
So no bgs for me , i'll wait till i change my mind on non cp or when they ad cp bgs i'll stick to vivec now i guess

Lol enjoy eternal que times for your one Cp campaign. Honestly Cp is just a huge crutch for players that allows builds to work with almost NO sacrifices in any department. Kodipvp just uploaded a video showcasing how, even with the sustain changes, his heavy armor stamdk build still works just fine in CP. No Cp pvp is the REAL version of pvp where skill, knowledge of the classes and mechanics, and proper gearing comes into play. You don't have 10% more shields, 20% free damage mitigation, 15% regen, 20+% free damage just from leveling up.

If you feel like a God in Cp pvp but can't even compete in no Cp, you are not good at this game. Your CP and OP build are generating the facade of skill.

Liam12548 wrote: »

Lol enjoy eternal que times for your one Cp campaign. Honestly Cp is just a huge crutch for players that allows builds to work with almost NO sacrifices in any department. Kodipvp just uploaded a video showcasing how, even with the sustain changes, his heavy armor stamdk build still works just fine in CP. No Cp pvp is the REAL version of pvp where skill, knowledge of the classes and mechanics, and proper gearing comes into play. You don't have 10% more shields, 20% free damage mitigation, 15% regen, 20+% free damage just from leveling up.

If you feel like a God in Cp pvp but can't even compete in no Cp, you are not good at this game. Your CP and OP build are generating the facade of skill.

you dislike cp PvP,... all tho everyone has acces to the same system and the resources have been capped at 300cp , this comment made me wonder how you read the thread and came to this respond,... no one is talking bout skill here or how OP one or another is a good player will be good in cp and non cp a crap one will be crap ...
you don't like cp PvP , what is ur reason to be mad ? 3 camps and bgs is what u got and still complain whilst others are trying to reason on what is to come ...

i'll go lag on vivic some more and enjoy the gameplay i can get whilst having my cp.

Make a functional non cp build and see how it feels. Build more sustain. Don't judge until then.

Liam12548 wrote: »

Lol enjoy eternal que times for your one Cp campaign. Honestly Cp is just a huge crutch for players that allows builds to work with almost NO sacrifices in any department. Kodipvp just uploaded a video showcasing how, even with the sustain changes, his heavy armor stamdk build still works just fine in CP. No Cp pvp is the REAL version of pvp where skill, knowledge of the classes and mechanics, and proper gearing comes into play. You don't have 10% more shields, 20% free damage mitigation, 15% regen, 20+% free damage just from leveling up.

If you feel like a God in Cp pvp but can't even compete in no Cp, you are not good at this game. Your CP and OP build are generating the facade of skill.

Log on stamblade. Equip multiple proccsets. Win nonCP pvp.

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Make a functional non cp build and see how it feels. Build more sustain. Don't judge until then.

Is there even a difference between CP and nonCP builds after the CP changes? The only thing might be switching shadow to thief - but essentially i can´t see a reason why a CP build would differ from a nonCP version anymore.

I generally am a big fan of no cp since things seem easier to control.
The biggest issues however are proccsets. Viper+whatever u want and win for free by pushing 1 button.
well on cp, i more often tend to be a sorc oneshot victim.

I dislike only running PvP without CP.. i want the choose to go with CP or without!

Derra wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Make a functional non cp build and see how it feels. Build more sustain. Don't judge until then.

Is there even a difference between CP and nonCP builds after the CP changes? The only thing might be switching shadow to thief - but essentially i can´t see a reason why a CP build would differ from a nonCP version anymore.

Nope, builds don't differ much anymore. Just build a little more crit, and you're good to go.

Gameplay experience differs in specific ways, though.

CP is devolving into a series of mirrored damage and mitigation stars with a few exceptions. This means that the major differences between gameplay experiences in CP and non CP are number of CP and player knowledge. Your damage will be amplified. You'll run into lowbies without CP...and one shot them, and you'll run into players who have CP but allocated theirs poorly...and one shot them.

Fights in CP and non CP between knowledgeable and skilled players who have and know how to allocate their CP will differ in three minor ways:

1. It is generally ideal to invest some into both Hardy and Ele Defender. In cases where the attacker invests fewer blue points into Blessed, his damage gained from CP will exceed the defender's mitigation against his damage type (stam or magicka) gained from CP. Therefore, CP fights will generally have slightly higher damage than non CP fights.
2. Befoul scales very high, so healing debuffs are powerful. This is largely balanced by Blessed and Quick Recovery.
   You now give up a LOT more damage for investing into Blessed than last patch, and frontloading makes Quick Recovery pay more out with fewer points. Therefore, Quick Recovery is the preferred star to get your healing bonus from. Befoul is multiplicative with healing debuffs, so it actually does keep pace nicely with Blessed and Quick Recovery. The reason Befoul is so strong is, as @Lexxypwns has pointed out before, it gives you offensive strength for spending points intended for sustain.
3. Do people even use Siphoner? It's really strong in duels, but I'm talking about open world builds I guess. That would weigh in as another difference, but who uses Siphoner besides Xv1ers?

TLDR: In CP, uninformed and underleveled players are easier to kill, damage is higher, and healing debuffs are bigger. Personally, I don't like that first one, but I do value the second two. (I play evenly between CP and non CP based on lag and activity.)

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I'm kinda pumped that I can start playing with 0 crit resist again.

Wait wat

CP is in a great place right now, it helps balance the resource drain. If ZOS completely kicks CP pvp there's gonna be a revolt, and it would genuinely suck.