Indeed, indeed...

I wish we could just rip scaled damage from attributes from the game and have our skill damage based solely on spell/weapon damage values (with weapons you hold damage only being for their attack values)

Turelus wrote: »

Indeed, indeed...

I wish we could just rip scaled damage from attributes from the game and have our skill damage based solely on spell/weapon damage values (with weapons you hold damage only being for their attack values)

Yes!

Nermy wrote: »

Took me ages to work out my damage was related to stam/mag levels. Seemed a really silly mechanism to me...

I only learnt of it via watching videos on YouTube, when you look at the tooltip for abilities it does say they increase damage with that type of skill but nothing as to why or how.

Personally my dream for ESO would be (and have posted this in the past).

Attributes - Govern your resource pools only, which is how much you can spam something.
Attribute Regen - The rate you recover your attribute pools to spam things.

Spell/Weapon Damage - The damage your Magicka and Stamina based skills (only buffs skills). Probably need same changes in names here to reflect that.

Weapons Damage - The damage your weapon you hold will do with a light/heavy attack (no longer buffs skills)

CP - The final push to get damage up but this time via percentages of the values derived from gear/attribute points.

This means the hard cap on damage is now "base level values + max stacked gear + % from CP" which is much easier for all players to see and instantly understand.

The game would pretty much need a massive rebalance for this however so it's unlikely to happen.

#ArmChairDev

its the most destructive and unbalanced rule they have.

Remove Heavy attack Resource Regen being tied to it solely. Instead Tie it to a passive that activates after a brief moment of not using a resource pool. This passive effects both mag and stam independently and simultaneously such that the weapon you have is irrelevant as to which passive activates. Using an ability that drains that resource pool pauses that regen. Have the initial tick of this regen be short enough that it can proc once during a full light attack, and a few times dependent on the length of a heavy attack. Now the player can choose to light/heavy/wait to regain a single resource if they're specced that way, but if you want to build hybrid you'll deal less damage, but can replace heavy/light/waiting with abilities from the other resource pool. Such that speccing for high damage on a single resource turns you into a bursty class, and in order to rely on one resource for a prolonged period you've got to focus more on regen than damage. Or you can build hybrid, who deal less upfront damage (because of split attributes), but even out in terms of total sustained damage.

Now if you spec for full damage in one resource you end up burning out fast while having the highest tooltip damages. If you spec for hybrid your tooltips are lower, but since you can replace heavy attacks with other skills/light weaving you're doing comparable sustained damage. If you choose single resource but want sustain you'll have to sacrifice a bit of damage to increase the passive in combat regen bonuses, and you end up being the same sustained damage as a hybrid, but end up having to wait/light/heavy attack more often (but less so than if you were full damage specced).

Turelus wrote: »

Indeed, indeed...

I wish we could just rip scaled damage from attributes from the game and have our skill damage based solely on spell/weapon damage values (with weapons you hold damage only being for their attack values)

Unfortunately, if you did this, there would probably be less build diversity than there is now. Why? Because then everyone will be using the same few sets that give a load of weapon/spell damage. Necropotence, Hulking Draugr, Bone pirates, and more would all be less effective or even useless.

In my opinion, they should keep adding more sets like the new crafted hybrid sets (but dropped, not crafted), where they have more set bonuses built in than the average set, but that the extra bonuses really only benefit hybrids. A small buff to Pelinals to match physical and spell penetration to the highest value would be nice too.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Hybrid builds were never viable...

Inb4 this becomes an argument about the definition of "viable".

GreenhaloX wrote: »

makreth wrote: »

I miss hybrid builds and the soft cap/diminishing return we had back then. It was perfect time for hybrid builds and if you wanted to spec into stamina or magicka specifically you could do so with a max potential but you wouldn't overperform and lead to unbalanced situations. I think people gave up on that system and partially hated it because there was no build diversity but it's strange there's no build diversity now either. The strange thing is I could possible play around with abilities and morphs back then and change my playstyle a lot more than I do now, but not anymore.

Anyway, this isn't a thread about reverting changes (It's not possible) it's just a nostalgia post. What do you guys think?

Rip hybrids

What do you mean?.. miss hybrid builds or RIP hybrids. Hybrid builds are still alive and well in ESO. StamSorc is a hybrid build. You can even do a hybrid tank/dps build. There is also a talk about a hybrid Vamp/ww.. just heard, but haven't seen yet.

It isn't possible for one character to be both a vampire and a werewolf at the same time, is it?

Really depends what u want to do in game. High level content? Vet trials and VMA and whatnot? Nope. Hybrids won't get it done.

But if you want a toon that quests, helps out at world bosses, public dungeons, can pug in the less rigorous Undaunted areas- well hybrids will work just fine.

I have changed my stamplar and stamblade to a hybrid a few weeks before the new changes in Morrowind take place and that has been one of the best decisions I've ever made so far in this game.

Contrary to popular belief, hybrids can perform very well (if not on par with one-resource-builds) in PvP and PvE. Regens would be low if you're running a hybrid but that's okay because you draw from both resources for healing, attacks and defence.
In effect, my hybrid characters are the least affected by nerfs from the latest patch compared to my other stam & magicka characters.

My advice? Make a hybrid and see for yourself how you'd like it.

hybrids are fun - my favorite is the "stam" sorc...soften them up with the bow and then execute with mages wrath...shame they perform poorly against tougher content...

i like to switch my abilities up when i'm in the public dungeons to get that hybrid feel of attacking with both stamina and magicka abilities...

Baconfat79 wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

I have changed my stamplar and stamblade to a hybrid a few weeks before the new changes in Morrowind take place and that has been one of the best decisions I've ever made so far in this game.

Contrary to popular belief, hybrids can perform very well (if not on par with one-resource-builds) in PvP and PvE. Regens would be low if you're running a hybrid but that's okay because you draw from both resources for healing, attacks and defence.
In effect, my hybrid characters are the least affected by nerfs from the latest patch compared to my other stam & magicka characters.

My advice? Make a hybrid and see for yourself how you'd like it.

Almost all abilities scale off of your max magicka or max stamina, depending on which resource the ability uses. You can't have both pools be large at the same time. You can split between max stam and max magicka and get maybe 20k on each, in which case all of your abilities will hit like a wet noodle. You could run one large pool and one small pool, but the abilities that scale off the small pool will be so weak that they aren't worth using. With the current system, there just really is no way to make a magicka/stamina hybrid perform nearly as well as if you went fully into one or the other.

Perhaps not quite as well but if built properly they can be effective. My dunmer hybrid DK is a self heal/dot machine. Vigor, rally, whip, embers, blood craze, blood thirst coagulated blood etc. I heavy its hard to kill since you can heal from both resources. Coagulated then Embers followed by rally is 3 huge burst heals.

My stamsorc hybrid has incredible burst. Poison inject heavy bow into a curse proc a frag then hit crit rush to close the gap. Frag and crit hit at the same time then the curse goes off. Dizzy swing into mages wrath. GG.

Pelinal's Aptitude (9 Traits)
(2 items) Adds 1064 Maximum Health
(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(5 items) Your Weapon Damage and Spell Damage both become the highest of the two values.

Hybrid spec set??

PlagueSD wrote: »

Pelinal's Aptitude (9 Traits)
(2 items) Adds 1064 Maximum Health
(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(5 items) Your Weapon Damage and Spell Damage both become the highest of the two values.

Hybrid spec set??

had the same question myself - someone explained to me that actual damage is based off resource pool and not weapon or spell damage number...

still - should help to make you magicka attacks hit harder then they would otherwise (assuming your putting all, or most, attributes in one resource pool)...