"Direct Damage" huh?

WarMasterCyp · May 2017

lol I was curious to what they mean direct damage it is very vague. I put 0 points into it because no idea what it does.

flguy147ub17_ESO · May 2017

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Light and Heavy attacks, any spell that deals damage that is not applied over time.

Direct Damage: Force Pulse, light/heavy attack, Crystal Frags, Sap Essence
Not Direct Damage: Puncturing Sweep, Elemental Storm, Flurry

Though now that you mention it, I'm not 100% on whether it counts lightning and resto staff heavys

What about Purifying Light? Its unique skill

makreth · May 2017

Donari wrote: »

This is not an official ZoS response, but it is from someone I know who works at ZoS:

"If it's a weapon attack (light/heavy), it causes Physical damage. If it's a weapon skill, it causes Physical damage unless you have a morph that makes it a different type (such as the arrow poison morphs). It should always tell you in the ability description what damage type it causes."

I double checked with my friend on Destro staff light/heavy attacks and no, those do the type of damage listed in their tooltip, Fire etc.

And what's your point, I'm confused?

Violynne · May 2017

Rikkof wrote: »

This i think is direct damage, unmitigatet.

Look again. That's clearly a passive as the hand doesn't even touch the face.

If you want true direct damage videos, just watch anything on AMV featuring anyone with ***.

Donari · May 2017

makreth wrote: »

Donari wrote: »

This is not an official ZoS response, but it is from someone I know who works at ZoS:

"If it's a weapon attack (light/heavy), it causes Physical damage. If it's a weapon skill, it causes Physical damage unless you have a morph that makes it a different type (such as the arrow poison morphs). It should always tell you in the ability description what damage type it causes."

I double checked with my friend on Destro staff light/heavy attacks and no, those do the type of damage listed in their tooltip, Fire etc.

And what's your point, I'm confused?

People in this thread were asking what attacks do Physical damage and wishing ZoS would explain. I gave a ZoS employee's description of what attacks do Physical damage. My point is that for people deciding where to put CP, this illuminates things a little. It certainly helped me (which is why I asked my friend the question in the first place).

Belidos · May 2017

People in this thread were asking what attacks do Physical damage and wishing ZoS would explain. I gave a ZoS employee's description of what attacks do Physical damage. My point is that for people deciding where to put CP, this illuminates things a little. It certainly helped me (which is why I asked my friend the question in the first place).

I think you misunderstand what people were asking about. We were asking about Direct Damage, not Physical Damage, two entirely different things.

PlagueSD · May 2017

DarkWombat wrote: »

What exactly is Direct Damage?

I asked in zone chat and got different answers.
Some say single target only (non AoE)

Some say up close

Some say instant cast

Some say light and heavy only

Anyone?

Anything that is not a DoT or a heal.

Light attack
Heavy attack
AoE
Abilties that don't do X damage over Y seconds. (Does not matter if insta-cast or has a cast time.)

Donari · May 2017

Belidos wrote: »

People in this thread were asking what attacks do Physical damage and wishing ZoS would explain. I gave a ZoS employee's description of what attacks do Physical damage. My point is that for people deciding where to put CP, this illuminates things a little. It certainly helped me (which is why I asked my friend the question in the first place).

I think you misunderstand what people were asking about. We were asking about Direct Damage, not Physical Damage, two entirely different things.

Oh, my bad! You are completely correct. My apologies.

Koolio · May 2017

The only real question is did it buff vipers/selenes
Lmao. Hopefully it did not.

Tommy_The_Gun · May 2017

As far as I know it is a "Not Damage over time" (dot). So technically it affects every skill that does not have Damage over time but rather instant - burst dmg. ( "Deals X damage")

What I would like to know is this:
What about "not instant" skills that you need time to cast (example bow skill: Snipe)
What about light & heavy attacks ? Does it also count as Direct Damage ?
What about activated synergy skill that deal damage ?

PlagueSD · May 2017

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

Light and Heavy attacks, any spell that deals damage that is not applied over time.

Direct Damage: Force Pulse, light/heavy attack, Crystal Frags, Sap Essence
Not Direct Damage: Puncturing Sweep, Elemental Storm, Flurry

Though now that you mention it, I'm not 100% on whether it counts lightning and resto staff heavys

Umm, Puncturing Sweep and Flurry are both direct damage. They are separate attacks that can each crit, be dodged/blocked, or miss. Also, each hit has a chance to "proc" armor abilities based on doing damage.

scipionumatia · May 2017

Isnt every hit of biting jabs all "direct damage"? each hit can proc ravager

ElornaR · May 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

As far as I know it is a "Not Damage over time" (dot). So technically it affects every skill that does not have Damage over time but rather instant - burst dmg. ( "Deals X damage")

What I would like to know is this:
What about "not instant" skills that you need time to cast (example bow skill: Snipe)
What about light & heavy attacks ? Does it also count as Direct Damage ?
What about activated synergy skill that deal damage ?

Discounting any bugs this is how those should work:
1. Casting time doesn't matter. In case of snipe it hits for x damage, so that's direct damage. One of its morphs also adds the poison status, and that part is a dot (the initial hit damage is still direct).
2. Those are direct.
3. If the synergy reads something like, "activating this deals x damage", then it's direct, if it says "activating this deals x damage and then y over z seconds", then the x is direct, y is dot.

Again, all of this is how it should be discounting for bugs, which can happen (it's ZoS/Bethesda, ofc bugs happen).

Shadzilla · May 2017

mocap wrote: »

wow! So Templar is 100% junk and anti-meta class?
Good work ZOS.

Try healing a rak hm without a templar, then ask that question again bud.

Blackbird_V · May 2017

Koolio wrote: »

The only real question is did it buff vipers/selenes
Lmao. Hopefully it did not.

Selene and viper is buffed by master at arms alongside skoria.

driosketch · May 2017

The Uninvited wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Anything not a dot/channel and also not an aoe. Did I get it right?

I think so too, definitely NOT dot skills and aoe skills. Not too sure about channels, as that would imply that things like Crystal Fragments or similar are not direct damage.

Crystal frags, like dark flare, is a cast. Radiant destruction and rapid strikes are channels.

STEVIL · May 2017

mocap wrote: »

wow! So Templar is 100% junk and anti-meta class?
Good work ZOS.

if this is over the new direct damage thingy in cp, remember there has been thaumaturge for some time, the new cp is just the "other side" of the thaumaturge coin.

However, i do not think cast time is an issue, just dot vs non-dot, but have not checked it out yet.

Oakmontowls_ESO · May 2017

Sweeps triple dips in Elemental expert thaumaturge and master at arms according to a partial list by Asayre.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18LptRy_AfGVehOyIioJJ6PQD98HB0lCOO_GWOcs7Tr4/edit#gid=0

leepalmer95 · May 2017

mocap wrote: »

wow! So Templar is 100% junk and anti-meta class?
Good work ZOS.

Templars have always had the advantage of having their main spam (jabs) getting boosted by 2 cp.

Now it's just even.

STEVIL · May 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mocap wrote: »

wow! So Templar is 100% junk and anti-meta class?
Good work ZOS.

Templars have always had the advantage of having their main spam (jabs) getting boosted by 2 cp.

Now it's just even.

which, if my google translator is working right, "Now it's just even." in english does indeed translate to "templar class is dead" in templaric.

leepalmer95 · May 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mocap wrote: »

wow! So Templar is 100% junk and anti-meta class?
Good work ZOS.

Templars have always had the advantage of having their main spam (jabs) getting boosted by 2 cp.

Now it's just even.

which, if my google translator is working right, "Now it's just even." in english does indeed translate to "templar class is dead" in templaric.

Templar isn't dead at all.

Not in pvp anyway, magplars still by far the best healers.

Purifying light/ power of the light is still OP.

Most pvp won't even use cp anyway.

In pve thats another story but i assume it won't make too much of a difference, templars use direct dmg skills themselves as well.

Avran_Sylt · May 2017

Any White text damage (when it doesn't crit) Orange Text is considered DoT.

The Uninvited · May 2017

driosketch wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Anything not a dot/channel and also not an aoe. Did I get it right?

I think so too, definitely NOT dot skills and aoe skills. Not too sure about channels, as that would imply that things like Crystal Fragments or similar are not direct damage.

Crystal frags, like dark flare, is a cast. Radiant destruction and rapid strikes are channels.

Ah yes, sorry about that. I was drinking so not completely focused.

Tommy_The_Gun · May 2017

mocap wrote: »

wow! So Templar is 100% junk and anti-meta class?
Good work ZOS.

A templar walks into the bar and sees NB....
NB: Welcome to the club bro....

Code2501 · May 2017

This is definitively how you answer this question. This foolproof because its the game engine telling you what it considers the damage type to be, this has also been tested against most buffs/triggers from either DD or DOT.

Go into your settings under Combat
Turn off everything
Turn on 'Outgoing DOT'/'Outgoing pet DOT'
Use any skill/spell in combat
If numbers come up its treated as a DOT by the game code
Go back into settings and turn off everything again and turn on 'Outgoing Damage'/'Outgoing Pet Damage'
Use skills in combat
If numbers come up for the skill its considered 'Direct Damage' by the game code

Follow these steps and you will find stuff that triggers AOE damage ticks are sometimes considered 'Direct Damage' and some skills have both a 'DOT' component and a 'Direct Damage' component.

Merlin13KAGL · May 2017

Donari wrote: »

This is not an official ZoS response, but it is from someone I know who works at ZoS:

"If it's a weapon attack (light/heavy), it causes Physical damage. If it's a weapon skill, it causes Physical damage unless you have a morph that makes it a different type (such as the arrow poison morphs). It should always tell you in the ability description what damage type it causes."

I double checked with my friend on Destro staff light/heavy attacks and no, those do the type of damage listed in their tooltip, Fire etc.

Yes it should..., however...

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Any White text damage (when it doesn't crit) Orange Text is considered DoT.

And DoT does not necessarily mean/not mean direct damage.

Some things, like status effects (burning), would be assumed to not be direct damage, as you can't directly cause them - they are a side effect, so to speak.

We should haven't to break out the Cap'n Crunch Secret Decoder Wheel color translator for this stuff. It's not that kind of game.

If they're going to remain insistent on having us guess, they may as well make the CP trees blank, no descriptions at all, and simply the number values. "Increases something by 10%." Turn in into the detective novel they seem to want it to be...

Kay1 · May 2017

Koolio wrote: »

The only real question is did it buff vipers/selenes
Lmao. Hopefully it did not.

It does, especially viper

For the people claiming Magplar is dead, Magplar and Stamplar are currently the best classes for Battlegrounds and maybe also for Cyrodiil if the new passive also affect channeling skills (it should).

Sneaky-Snurr · May 2017

Code2501 wrote: »

This is definitively how you answer this question. This foolproof because its the game engine telling you what it considers the damage type to be, this has also been tested against most buffs/triggers from either DD or DOT.
Go into your settings under Combat

Turn off everything

Turn on 'Outgoing DOT'/'Outgoing pet DOT'

Use any skill/spell in combat

If numbers come up its treated as a DOT by the game code

Go back into settings and turn off everything again and turn on 'Outgoing Damage'/'Outgoing Pet Damage'

Use skills in combat

If numbers come up for the skill its considered 'Direct Damage' by the game code

Follow these steps and you will find stuff that triggers AOE damage ticks are sometimes considered 'Direct Damage' and some skills have both a 'DOT' component and a 'Direct Damage' component.

@Code2501
While your explanation and tips are indeed useful and not short of helpful, it's better for ZoS to clarify this clearly through the tooltips and such and such.

We're not supposed to figure out which is this or that type of damage. That's supposed to be clarified by the Devs. That's their job and ours is to have fun with the game and not to frustrate ourselves in figuring out something that should've been clarified in the first place.

ZoS, us players have long asked for clarifications on this topic regarding damage types and how they're affected but you've delayed for far too long already.
This is unacceptable.

Code2501 · May 2017

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Code2501 wrote: »

This is definitively how you answer this question. This foolproof because its the game engine telling you what it considers the damage type to be, this has also been tested against most buffs/triggers from either DD or DOT.
Go into your settings under Combat

Turn off everything

Turn on 'Outgoing DOT'/'Outgoing pet DOT'

Use any skill/spell in combat

If numbers come up its treated as a DOT by the game code

Go back into settings and turn off everything again and turn on 'Outgoing Damage'/'Outgoing Pet Damage'

Use skills in combat

If numbers come up for the skill its considered 'Direct Damage' by the game code

Follow these steps and you will find stuff that triggers AOE damage ticks are sometimes considered 'Direct Damage' and some skills have both a 'DOT' component and a 'Direct Damage' component.

@Code2501
While your explanation and tips are indeed useful and not short of helpful, it's better for ZoS to clarify this clearly through the tooltips and such and such.
...

I agree entirely, merely presenting the option for people to definitively determine whats what in the absence of clear tool-tips so they don't have to wait for ZoS to improve their game.

Grymmoire · May 2017

After the length of time this game has been out and the many other times they have used terms and phrases confusing to the player base, one would think, before writing in terms such as 'Direct damage' , someone would have thought: Hmm this term may be confusing, perhaps I had better define it.

Or perhaps we were just meant to use a Ouija board and contact this long gone fellow for our very own:

https://youtu.be/WvKlqMjfk1Y