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"Direct Damage" huh?
DarkWombat
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What exactly is Direct Damage?
I asked in zone chat and got different answers.
Anyone?
I asked in zone chat and got different answers.
- Some say single target only (non AoE)
- Some say up close
- Some say instant cast
- Some say light and heavy only
Anyone?
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Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Anything not a dot/channel and also not an aoe. Did I get it right?You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It is when you deal damage directly.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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DarkWombat✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »It is when you deal damage directly.
Define Directly? Non-AoE?0 -
ElornaR✭✭Any damage that happens in a single instance, so nothing that has a duration. I think the only duration damage effect that's counted as direct damage is the nighbtblade path of darkness, but that's probably a bug. Note that some duration damage skills also have a direct damage component, for instance the initial hit of poison injection deals a set amount of damage (that's direct damage), while the rest of it is over time (and not affected by direct damage cp buffs).Edited by ElornaR on May 22, 2017 4:56PM4 -
The Uninvited✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anything not a dot/channel and also not an aoe. Did I get it right?
I think so too, definitely NOT dot skills and aoe skills. Not too sure about channels, as that would imply that things like Crystal Fragments or similar are not direct damage.Pandora's Promise (rip) | LND | Pactriotic | IKnowWhatUDidLastWinter's | The Uninvited |
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KochDerDamonen✭✭✭✭✭
✭Light and Heavy attacks, any spell that deals damage that is not applied over time.
Direct Damage: Force Pulse, light/heavy attack, Crystal Frags, Sap Essence
Not Direct Damage: Puncturing Sweep, Elemental Storm, Flurry
Though now that you mention it, I'm not 100% on whether it counts lightning and resto staff heavysEdited by KochDerDamonen on May 22, 2017 4:58PMIf you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].2 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Anything not a dot/channel and also not an aoe. Did I get it right?
I believe this is correct, though some DoTs start with direct damage. For example, Poison Injection deals x damage and y damage over 10 seconds. X would be direct damage and y would be a DoT. That's my understanding anyway.
Also, OP, never ask questions in /zone, or prepare to be trolled.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Agreed, it would be nice for someone at ZOS to clarify exactly what is or is not included in this category.KochDerDamonen wrote: »Light and Heavy attacks, any spell that deals damage that is not applied over time.
Direct Damage: Force Pulse, light/heavy attack, Crystal Frags, Sap Essence
Not Direct Damage: Puncturing Sweep, Elemental Storm, Flurry
Though now that you mention it, I'm not 100% on whether it counts lightning and resto staff heavys
Don't some DOT abilities have a direct damage component as well, like on the first or last tick or something?Edited by IcyDeadPeople on May 22, 2017 5:00PM2 -
ElornaR✭✭The Uninvited wrote: »
AoE skills can be direct damage if they deal their aoe in a single instance (like pulsar or sap essence). Also like mentioned earlier, some dot skills have a direct damage component.2 -
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✭✭The Uninvited wrote: »
AoE skills can be direct damage if they deal their aoe in a single instance (like pulsar or sap essence). Also like mentioned earlier, some dot skills have a direct damage component.
So for example the cone attack bow ability (poison spray??) will be affected by this new CP?You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Marto✭✭✭✭✭
✭If an ability says "Deals X damage over Y seconds" it's a Damage over Time ability, and affected by Thaumaturge.
If an ability says "Deals X damage", it's a Direct Damage ability, and it's affected by Master-At-Arms."According to the calculations of the sages of the Cult of the Ancestor Moth, the batam guar is the cutest creature in all Tamriel"17 -
Belidos✭✭✭✭✭It's anything that deals a fixed amount of damage to any of its target.
DD = If an ability deals 500 fixed damage to target, then that is Direct Damage (DD).
DoT = If an ability deals 50 damage to target over 10 seconds, then that is Damage Over Time (DoT).
AoE = Any ability that deals damage to multiple objects within a given area, and AoE can be combined with the other damage types to become an AOE/DD or an AOE/DoT.
You also have Cone Effect, this is a type of Area of Effect ability that only effects the forward arc in front of the player, it can also be a CE/DD or a CE/DoT.Edited by Belidos on May 22, 2017 5:10PM4 -
ElornaR✭✭The Uninvited wrote: »
AoE skills can be direct damage if they deal their aoe in a single instance (like pulsar or sap essence). Also like mentioned earlier, some dot skills have a direct damage component.
So for example the cone attack bow ability (poison spray??) will be affected by this new CP?
Yes, although the second morph, acid spray, will only be affected in the first part of the skill, the second part is a dot.1 -
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✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »The simplest way to describe direct damage is that it is the first tick of any damaging ability (even if it is the only tick).
So does the first tick of channel benefit from both Thaumaturge and Master-at-Arms?
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Tomg999✭✭✭✭None of us really knows. We're all guessing.
And folks are arguing like a zone chat political argument.
ZOS needs to define it.6 -
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✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »The simplest way to describe direct damage is that it is the first tick of any damaging ability (even if it is the only tick).
So does the first tick of channel benefit from both Thaumaturge and Master-at-Arms?
I don't know but I assume not. Direct damage is everything that is not DoT and DoT is everything that is not direct damage.0 -
Blackbird_V✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anything not a dot/channel and also not an aoe. Did I get it right?
Sort of. Missing 1 thing though. The first hit of any AOE counts as direct damage too.Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.1 -
Belidos✭✭✭✭✭BlackbirdV wrote: »
If it's not an AOE/DoT then all of the hits on all f the targets are DD's0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Agreed, it would be nice for someone at ZOS to clarify exactly what is or is not included in this category.KochDerDamonen wrote: »Light and Heavy attacks, any spell that deals damage that is not applied over time.
Direct Damage: Force Pulse, light/heavy attack, Crystal Frags, Sap Essence
Not Direct Damage: Puncturing Sweep, Elemental Storm, Flurry
Though now that you mention it, I'm not 100% on whether it counts lightning and resto staff heavys
Don't some DOT abilities have a direct damage component as well, like on the first or last tick or something?
First tick. If it's written as, "do X damage, then do Y damage over Z seconds," X is direct, Y is a DoT.3 -
Belidos✭✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »The simplest way to describe direct damage is that it is the first tick of any damaging ability (even if it is the only tick).
So does the first tick of channel benefit from both Thaumaturge and Master-at-Arms?
It depends, in most games a DoT is a DoT, there is no DD component, but in some games they will have in their description "Deals 500 damage and a further 50 damage per second for 10 seconds", the first 500 will be direct damage and the rest woudl be dot.0 -
Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's all guesswork without official response.
Twisting Path has been tested to benefit from MA. It's most definitely AoE and most definitely a DoT...
DD, intuitively, should be damage that requires you to pick a target.
Whatever we think it means is not necessarily what ZoS thinks it means...why we need official confirmation.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
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Panth141✭✭✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »It's all guesswork without official response.
Twisting Path has been tested to benefit from MA. It's most definitely AoE and most definitely a DoT...
DD, intuitively, should be damage that requires you to pick a target.
Whatever we think it means is not necessarily what ZoS thinks it means...why we need official confirmation.
Don't ever use path as a test for CP effects
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✭✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »It's all guesswork without official response.
Twisting Path has been tested to benefit from MA. It's most definitely AoE and most definitely a DoT...
DD, intuitively, should be damage that requires you to pick a target.
Whatever we think it means is not necessarily what ZoS thinks it means...why we need official confirmation.
Don't ever use path as a test for CP effects
There are things that proc Scathing (requires direct damage) that are not intuitive, as well.
Point being, we shouldn't have to flippin' decode it. ZoS needs to specify the definition here.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
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Donari✭✭✭✭This is not an official ZoS response, but it is from someone I know who works at ZoS:
"If it's a weapon attack (light/heavy), it causes Physical damage. If it's a weapon skill, it causes Physical damage unless you have a morph that makes it a different type (such as the arrow poison morphs). It should always tell you in the ability description what damage type it causes."
I double checked with my friend on Destro staff light/heavy attacks and no, those do the type of damage listed in their tooltip, Fire etc.0
