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MagDK PVE Post Morrowind - BSW or SOTS?

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SASQUATCH0
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I'm sure we all know by now that BSW was an OP set in homestead used by almost all DPS classes. However with the upcoming nerf (Decreased the proc chance to 15% from 20%, and decreased the Spell Damage bonus to 525 from 600) it seems we won't be seeing it as much. Since it procs off fire damage, I believe it will still be BiS for magdk. A friend of mine disagrees with me and says Silks of the Sun will be BiS for magdk. What do you guys think?

Burning Spell Weave:
(2 items) Adds 967 Max
(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 688 Spell Critical
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Flame Damage ability, you have a 15% chance to apply the burning status effect to the enemy and gain 525 Spell Damage for 8 seconds. This effect can occur once every 12 seconds.

Silks of the Sun:
(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Flame Damage abilities.
Edited by SASQUATCH0 on May 22, 2017 1:32PM

MagDK PVE Post Morrowind - BSW or SOTS? 51 votes

Burning Spellweave
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Silks of the Sun
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  • clocksstoppe
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    Silks of the Sun
    Both? You can have silk front bar and proc bsw on back bar.
  • Hamburglarjones
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    clocksstoppe wrote: »
    Both? You can have silk front bar and proc bsw on back bar.

    That's what im using :P it's actually better than moondancer 4pc from my experience
    Boone
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    MagDK raid build guide
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    World's 3rd vHoF clear & 3rd vHoF HM clear
  • SASQUATCH0
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    Burning Spellweave

    clocksstoppe wrote: »
    Both? You can have silk front bar and proc bsw on back bar.

    Hm this would actually be a good idea if I had the staves
  • Beesting
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    Burning Spellweave
    The only practical problem is silks of the sun is so rare now that unless you kept it from a previous build almost nobody can test it

    i guess it is rare now because it was useless for so long compared to bsw that everyone deconned it or vendored it. At least on pc eu i could not find any usefull pieces yesterday at guild traders.
    Edited by Beesting on May 22, 2017 1:40PM
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  • Anne_Firehawk
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    Sun + Witchmothers = normal Rotation <3
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  • Kilandros
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    clocksstoppe wrote: »
    Both? You can have silk front bar and proc bsw on back bar.

    BSW uptime is abysmal on backbar.
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    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.

    DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT
  • Hamburglarjones
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    Kilandros wrote: »
    clocksstoppe wrote: »
    Both? You can have silk front bar and proc bsw on back bar.

    BSW uptime is abysmal on backbar.

    its actually around 50% if you tweak rotation a little, well worth losing 10% for the sun frontbar.
    Boone
    Dunmer Magicka DragonKnight
    MagDK raid build guide
    Guild: Dragon's Crest - retired
    World's 3rd vHoF clear & 3rd vHoF HM clear
  • Voxicity
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    Burning Spellweave
    5 BSW front bar
    5 Moon back bar
  • Trouble13691
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    Bought the whole set of silks for 100k eZ. But the only way you could have both proper (as back bar bsw uptime is shite) is dual wield or dropping 1 pc off your monster set. It would be powerful but I think there is better set ups.
  • ziaodix
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    I wish they would have changed the 2pc Sun to be Spell Crit. Would have made it a lot nicer set.
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  • Enslaved
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    Burning Spellweave
    BSW is mDK BIS.
  • Kilandros
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    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    clocksstoppe wrote: »
    Both? You can have silk front bar and proc bsw on back bar.

    BSW uptime is abysmal on backbar.

    its actually around 50% if you tweak rotation a little, well worth losing 10% for the sun frontbar.

    I doubt that. BSW front bar uptime was only around 66% in the first place. There's no way you were achieving 50% backbar uptime with an efficient rotation.
    Invictus
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    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.

    DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT
  • Hamburglarjones
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    Kilandros wrote: »
    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    clocksstoppe wrote: »
    Both? You can have silk front bar and proc bsw on back bar.

    BSW uptime is abysmal on backbar.

    its actually around 50% if you tweak rotation a little, well worth losing 10% for the sun frontbar.

    I doubt that. BSW front bar uptime was only around 66% in the first place. There's no way you were achieving 50% backbar uptime with an efficient rotation.

    if you call this ineffecient, then sure imgur.com/If3NQSn
    Boone
    Dunmer Magicka DragonKnight
    MagDK raid build guide
    Guild: Dragon's Crest - retired
    World's 3rd vHoF clear & 3rd vHoF HM clear
  • SASQUATCH0
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    Burning Spellweave
    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    clocksstoppe wrote: »
    Both? You can have silk front bar and proc bsw on back bar.

    BSW uptime is abysmal on backbar.

    its actually around 50% if you tweak rotation a little, well worth losing 10% for the sun frontbar.

    I doubt that. BSW front bar uptime was only around 66% in the first place. There's no way you were achieving 50% backbar uptime with an efficient rotation.

    if you call this ineffecient, then sure imgur.com/If3NQSn

    Was this on pts or homestead? Remember that resource manament is gonna come into play for morrowind.
  • Kilandros
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    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    clocksstoppe wrote: »
    Both? You can have silk front bar and proc bsw on back bar.

    BSW uptime is abysmal on backbar.

    its actually around 50% if you tweak rotation a little, well worth losing 10% for the sun frontbar.

    I doubt that. BSW front bar uptime was only around 66% in the first place. There's no way you were achieving 50% backbar uptime with an efficient rotation.

    if you call this ineffecient, then sure imgur.com/If3NQSn

    Congrats?
    Invictus
    Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
    Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
    Sias - Sorcerer / Prefect
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.

    DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT
  • Hamburglarjones
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    Kilandros wrote: »
    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    clocksstoppe wrote: »
    Both? You can have silk front bar and proc bsw on back bar.

    BSW uptime is abysmal on backbar.

    its actually around 50% if you tweak rotation a little, well worth losing 10% for the sun frontbar.

    I doubt that. BSW front bar uptime was only around 66% in the first place. There's no way you were achieving 50% backbar uptime with an efficient rotation.

    if you call this ineffecient, then sure imgur.com/If3NQSn

    Congrats?

    Just showing that it is competitive, clearly. Not ineffecient.
    Boone
    Dunmer Magicka DragonKnight
    MagDK raid build guide
    Guild: Dragon's Crest - retired
    World's 3rd vHoF clear & 3rd vHoF HM clear
  • Hamburglarjones
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    SASQUATCH0 wrote: »
    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    clocksstoppe wrote: »
    Both? You can have silk front bar and proc bsw on back bar.

    BSW uptime is abysmal on backbar.

    its actually around 50% if you tweak rotation a little, well worth losing 10% for the sun frontbar.

    I doubt that. BSW front bar uptime was only around 66% in the first place. There's no way you were achieving 50% backbar uptime with an efficient rotation.

    if you call this ineffecient, then sure imgur.com/If3NQSn

    Was this on pts or homestead? Remember that resource manament is gonna come into play for morrowind.

    Well that was with power lash, a free ability. Although i suspect with todays changes, heavy attack builds will be more prominent again and i may have to drop power lash, since it consumes off balance at a higher rate than heavies.
    Edited by Hamburglarjones on May 22, 2017 2:10PM
    Boone
    Dunmer Magicka DragonKnight
    MagDK raid build guide
    Guild: Dragon's Crest - retired
    World's 3rd vHoF clear & 3rd vHoF HM clear
  • HatchetHaro
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    Silks of the Sun
    On 100% proc, BSW will only have an effective 350 spell damage increase for the buff. (2/3 * 525 spell damage)

    So now it just comes down to whether you want 50 extra spell power and some health, or ~3% spell crit chance.
    Edited by HatchetHaro on May 22, 2017 2:14PM
  • SASQUATCH0
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    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    SASQUATCH0 wrote: »
    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    clocksstoppe wrote: »
    Both? You can have silk front bar and proc bsw on back bar.

    BSW uptime is abysmal on backbar.

    its actually around 50% if you tweak rotation a little, well worth losing 10% for the sun frontbar.

    I doubt that. BSW front bar uptime was only around 66% in the first place. There's no way you were achieving 50% backbar uptime with an efficient rotation.

    if you call this ineffecient, then sure imgur.com/If3NQSn

    Was this on pts or homestead? Remember that resource manament is gonna come into play for morrowind.

    Well that was with power lash, a free ability. Although i suspect with todays changes, heavy attack builds will be more prominent again and i may have to drop power lash, since it consumes off balance at a higher rate than heavies.

    This is true, I say keep power lash and use lightning staff on the front bar? Also I feel most bosses will have off balance proc'd in a group, or trial atleast.
  • Vaoh
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    PvE - BSW , since it has Spell Crit

    PvP - Silks of the Sun
  • LonePirate
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    Vaoh wrote: »
    PvE - BSW , since it has Spell Crit

    PvP - Silks of the Sun

    And we now have the winning answer!
  • SASQUATCH0
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    Well I got my sun set ready. Time to farm vma for a lightning staff...
  • AhPook_Is_Here
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    Silks of the Sun
    Kinda BS though there is still health on silks, should have changed that to crit.
    “Whatever.”
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  • Masel
    Masel
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    On a full fire DK, the sets are so close to each other that the discussion is useless.

    If you use lightning staffs and heavy attacks in between - BSW

    If you want to survive in HM trials and/or use a full fire dk - sun

    I use TBS/Silks in HM trials, especially vMoL, as you want that little extra notch of health to survive. If you want better sustain and not heavy attack all the time, you need to go 7 light. With 7 light, the health bonus is more than welcome.

    Optimal would be switching between both in trash and boss fights.
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  • Lexxypwns
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    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    Hamburglarjones wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    clocksstoppe wrote: »
    Both? You can have silk front bar and proc bsw on back bar.

    BSW uptime is abysmal on backbar.

    its actually around 50% if you tweak rotation a little, well worth losing 10% for the sun frontbar.

    I doubt that. BSW front bar uptime was only around 66% in the first place. There's no way you were achieving 50% backbar uptime with an efficient rotation.

    if you call this ineffecient, then sure imgur.com/If3NQSn

    rekt
  • Blackbird_V
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    Well although both are viable: *** meta *** being a google umbro warrior for builds - I'm going scathing mage.
    Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.
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