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Should Battlegrounds offer a CP option?
BigES
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I'm still struggling on why Battlegrounds doesn't offer a CP variant. Personally, I like the recent CP nerf's, but I don't want to see the system eliminated. I want to see it balanced into the game.
What do you guys think?
Edited by BigES on May 20, 2017 4:19PM What do you guys think?
Should Battlegrounds offer a CP option? 120 votes
Yes - allow players to choose
60%
72 votes
No - players should have to play non-CP
40%
48 votes
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Draqone✭✭✭✭No. I'd rather they commit to providing one, somewhat balanced PvP option rather than try to balance CP PvP, no-CP PvP and PvE at the same time.ESO Balance:
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Draqone✭✭✭✭I highly doubt they'll actually make efforts to balance around trueflame, or whatever that one CP campaign is called.ESO Balance:
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Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. I'd rather they commit to providing one, somewhat balanced PvP option rather than try to balance CP PvP, no-CP PvP and PvE at the same time.
They don't have to "balance" anything if they offer us the CHOICE of CP or No-CP. Balance for one or the other, I don't care, just give me the CHOICE to use the CP I earned!#CAREBEARMASTERRACE6 -
Draqone✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
The rage on the forums would be out of control.ESO Balance:
“All skills are equal, but some skills are more equal than others.”2 -
Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »No. I'd rather they commit to providing one, somewhat balanced PvP option rather than try to balance CP PvP, no-CP PvP and PvE at the same time.
They don't have to "balance" anything if they offer us the CHOICE of CP or No-CP. Balance for one or the other, I don't care, just give me the CHOICE to use the CP I earned!
It sounds like earning CP is a job now.2 -
Paraflex✭✭✭✭PvP in general is better with no CP and it's less cancerousHollykills CP 630 Templar Healer - Ad PS4 Warlord Rank
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Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »No. I'd rather they commit to providing one, somewhat balanced PvP option rather than try to balance CP PvP, no-CP PvP and PvE at the same time.
They don't have to "balance" anything if they offer us the CHOICE of CP or No-CP. Balance for one or the other, I don't care, just give me the CHOICE to use the CP I earned!
And what about the 5k magicka, stamina and health that I earned way before CP was implemented that was stolen from me and locked behind a system I don't want that has unbalanced the game and caused all this power creep.
I want that back too but I don't get it back, even in non-cp campaigns.
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✭Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »
Take a visit then. It turns out that resource poisons and proctards, while present, are not as rampant as you would think, and as a general rule don't have the skill to win even with that advantage.The generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?1 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I guess I don't really care if both are options. Though I'll never set foot in the *** fest that is cp PvP. Been on nothing but Azuras for a year now, best decision I ever made.0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »
Take a visit then. It turns out that resource poisons and proctards, while present, are not as rampant as you would think, and as a general rule don't have the skill to win even with that advantage.
That's because those players are too inexperienced or too poor or just don't know better yet.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
Sugaroverdose✭✭✭✭✭
Dead Azura on all platforms tells clearly that it's not true.Emma_Overload wrote: »No. I'd rather they commit to providing one, somewhat balanced PvP option rather than try to balance CP PvP, no-CP PvP and PvE at the same time.
They don't have to "balance" anything if they offer us the CHOICE of CP or No-CP. Balance for one or the other, I don't care, just give me the CHOICE to use the CP I earned!0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I vote no at least for a while. Let them see and the players see how this plays out.
For a long time you had the std pvp as cp only - iirc - it did not have a no-cp campaign day one when cp were introduced. After a while they added the no-cp.
i think give Bg the same thing in reverse - a good period of one way and then see if there is still a significant shift either way.
Its not like you are locked out of pvp if you choose not to do no-cp BG right? Still lotsa campaigns and dueling.
But a possibly popular more controlled arena that requires no-cp at its outset is IMO a good way to get folks to try no-cp pvp and see how they like it. this can give a good set of feedback for them to look at and evealuate.
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STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Dead Azura on all platforms tells clearly that it's not true.Emma_Overload wrote: »No. I'd rather they commit to providing one, somewhat balanced PvP option rather than try to balance CP PvP, no-CP PvP and PvE at the same time.
They don't have to "balance" anything if they offer us the CHOICE of CP or No-CP. Balance for one or the other, I don't care, just give me the CHOICE to use the CP I earned!
and ig Bgs are dead cuz of no-cp they will likely change their position.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. I'd rather they commit to providing one, somewhat balanced PvP option rather than try to balance CP PvP, no-CP PvP and PvE at the same time.
Exactly. With the cp rebalances there is no reason anymore to divide the playerbase into different options. They should remove nonCP entirely as it directly contradicts their desire of one unified playing experience.
Just provide everyone with a secondary capped CP spec for cyrodiil and bgs.
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FlamingBeard✭✭✭✭✭No. I'd rather they commit to providing one, somewhat balanced PvP option rather than try to balance CP PvP, no-CP PvP and PvE at the same time.
Exactly. With the cp rebalances there is no reason anymore to divide the playerbase into different options. They should remove nonCP entirely as it directly contradicts their desire of one unified playing experience.
Just provide everyone with a secondary capped CP spec for cyrodiil and bgs.
@Joy_Division
They should just cap CP at 300 in PvP and allow you to make separate CP set-ups so that you don't have to respec every time you want to PvP, or run trials for example.0 -
AhPook_Is_Here✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think it's a bad idea because player liquidity won't be that high to where you want to split it in half between CP caped players and players who don't have capped cp. If liquidity is to be divided it should be between preforms and pugs, and some sort of internal ranking mechanism to keep fights interesting.“Whatever.”
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DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Choices are great--but you also don't want to split the playerbase to the point where queues become low and it's hard to find a game. I don't really care if Bgrounds are CP or noCP, but I'm willing to do either if it keeps the queues quick.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
Arthg✭✭✭✭✭
✭I only play no-CP PvP, and have no interest in BGs whatsoever, but more options is always better.
I don't see why CP players shouldn't get CP BGs, especially as both options are available for Cyro campaigns.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Dead Azura on all platforms tells clearly that it's not true.Emma_Overload wrote: »No. I'd rather they commit to providing one, somewhat balanced PvP option rather than try to balance CP PvP, no-CP PvP and PvE at the same time.
They don't have to "balance" anything if they offer us the CHOICE of CP or No-CP. Balance for one or the other, I don't care, just give me the CHOICE to use the CP I earned!
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DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I only play no-CP PvP, and have no interest in BGs whatsoever, but more options is always better.
I don't see why CP players shouldn't get CP BGs, especially as both options are available for Cyro campaigns.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Dead Azura on all platforms tells clearly that it's not true.Emma_Overload wrote: »No. I'd rather they commit to providing one, somewhat balanced PvP option rather than try to balance CP PvP, no-CP PvP and PvE at the same time.
They don't have to "balance" anything if they offer us the CHOICE of CP or No-CP. Balance for one or the other, I don't care, just give me the CHOICE to use the CP I earned!
PC EU Azu is alive and kicking.
PC NA Azuras is usually a party, too. Low population in the mornings, high during the day and poplock most nights.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
Syntse✭✭✭✭✭I see no CP in PvP totally a good option. PvPers want quickly reach the cap and then have level playing field against others which the no cp will provide for them.
In PvE people do want progression to keep them busy and interested. Having this separation of PvP and PvE with cp would help a lot with balancing too.Syntse Dominion Khajiit Dragonknight Stamina Tank [50]
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makreth✭✭✭✭✭Players and classes already suffer from these decisions (no-cp and CP). See morrowind update, the balance they are promoting is coming from a CP point of view yet changes happened to basic classes abilities. In the end, the No CP are affected even more negatively. Bad decisions in my opinion. So, I'd say have BGs only CP and balance on that because in the future I'm expecting more of these "improvements" (i.e. class abilities brought down as the CP cap raises). At least the cp bonuses are not as high as they used to be.
On that note, I'd like an option to disable the CPs on my character as a way to ... "preview" my stats before going into a BG instead of respec'ing and paying for removing everything.Edited by makreth on May 22, 2017 7:42AM1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭An option is optional . No one has to play with cp if they don't want to . I don't want my progress taken away if it's still available in other areas of the game until there is some form of compensation of time . I would like a no five piece armor set battleground with no cp and no poisons . Player base skill only . I would not dream of forcing everyone to participate just because it's the most balanced . Just because we've had things stripped in the past does not mean all of us want to go through it over and over . Give options . Everyone pays for their own game and no one needs to force their playstyle .0 -
CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, still is silly to have capped player's going against cp 300's lol so the decision was more logical to go no cp. I know people want to use their CP from a more selfish perspective but the same people rebuttal would be to tell the 300 cp person to play no cp.
Only way a CP BGS would work is if they capped everyone out, having mix matched power levels doesn't belong in any arena/battleground mode.0 -
makreth✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »An option is optional . No one has to play with cp if they don't want to . I don't want my progress taken away if it's still available in other areas of the game until there is some form of compensation of time . I would like a no five piece armor set battleground with no cp and no poisons . Player base skill only . I would not dream of forcing everyone to participate just because it's the most balanced . Just because we've had things stripped in the past does not mean all of us want to go through it over and over . Give options . Everyone pays for their own game and no one needs to force their playstyle .
@Rohamad_Ali Options are good but...take into consideration that BGs are only available for those who bought the expansion. Then with any additional option the queue will differ even more. That will result in the end in almost permanent-long (a bit of exaggeration) queue system if we are talking about equal matching system as you suggest.
I just find it odd in general that they have stated before they don't want PVP and PVE differentiations but I guess that was only for class abilities and tooltips (although I highly doubt that was the case only rather the work behind needed to do such system).0
