Cats out of the bag

  • Tryxus
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  • Eleusian
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    Funny seems like just yesterday stamina was the flavor of the patch. Op stick around awhile , pvp by nature creates people doing anything for the upper hand The strongest setups having the most representation in gameplay.
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  • Smmokkee
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    People are to worried about maximizing ap gain.
  • Eshelmen
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    Smmokkee wrote: »
    People are to worried about maximizing ap gain.

    Think about why for a second.
    It's not necessarily about maximizing ones AP in general, but rather strategizing a way to maliciously take advantage of a system, and then doing it.

    It's a seriously real and legitimate concern that's becoming a more common issue by the day. Yet it's been happening for years.

    What's stopping two groups from two factions purposely farming each others resource tower, over and over and over again? Not much.

    Now why on earth would somebody go through all the troubles of taking on keeps, defending them, retaking, over and over and over again when I could just message another factions group and say "hey, let's farm each other", when in reality, you'll make far more AP?

    What's the point of having keeps then if this is the best way to make AP?

    You can obviously play the old fashioned route, but then again, you're spending more time than needed to accrue the same amount of AP from farming each others group.
    Edited by Eshelmen on May 18, 2017 10:09PM
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  • dem0n1k
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    I still see all the classes represented in Cyrodiil (NA PC Azura's Star) during my timezone. Sorcs are plentiful, that's for sure but I still have no problems doing any class bounty if the populations are good. My killcounter stats are pretty even for the classes that are killed by me & that kill me.

    Come to the forums & it's such a different story! StamNBs are dead! Yet... I got ganked many times by them in the last few weeks & did a bit of stamNB ganking myself.. it's still very strong! I still see unkillable templar tanks that can do decent damage. Same with DKs. Pretty much any class/flavour is viable if the player is good & knows the class's strengths & plays to them.

    I wonder which class will be next FoTM... i'm gussing Wardens :P Then back to mDKs? maybe..
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  • Edziu
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    Feanor wrote: »
    Oh my how fast the people forget. Not too long ago Stamblades and StamDKs ruled Cyrodiil. Sorcs were seldom seen. But there must be some "IT'S OP!!!! NERF NOW!!!!!!!!" at all times I guess. It's easy to jump on that train as long as it's not the own favorite class. Sorcs will store their popcorn for the round of salt that will inevitably happen when the next class gets their nerf hammer treatment. I'll be here to remind you.

    stamblades was you easy to killing on single players, stamdks..dont remember to much..but what remember they was just more "immortal" while now are paper, mag dk is more tankly for now lol

    and now sorcs....this is just pathetic, charge destro ulti, wipe group, streak away spamming dark deal without penalty if someone willl bash once per 10+ casts and go back after fight reset for you with next destro ult which will wipe group and you will be untouchable because of shields

    while on game release where was meta for god mag dk wh was immortal and was killing zergs...after nerf to this I thought we are done with it but now we are back to this state but now sorc is godmode instead of magdk
  • phairdon
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    Yet, at some stage last year, magicka sorcerer class was dead in pvp, after the class was nerfed. Stamina builds become the flavor of the month/months.
    People are not going to be satisfied until every class is limited to bashing each other with sticks, or throwing rocks at one another.
    Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)
  • disintegr8
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    Maybe I don't take PVP seriously enough. I'll never have a BiS build or Maelstrom weapons, so will probably never be competitive in PVP but that doesn't stop me from going there, on a stam tank for example, and having a bit of fun every now and then.

    When I go there I kill a few people (or help to anyway), get killed a few times, help take a keep, help defend a keep, so on and so forth. I don't worry about what other people are (or aren't) doing or how much AP they (or I) get.
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  • Zvorgin
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    HOLDING keeps should matter, not flipping keeps. Make it so guilds that have a claimed keep passively gain AP, closer the Keep is to the center circle more AP it gives per tick. Just a thought though I'm sure it has flaws, it at least promotes guild groups and wanting to hold keeps. Keeps in enemy territory would give even higher ticks.
  • FloppyTouch
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    phairdon wrote: »
    Yet, at some stage last year, magicka sorcerer class was dead in pvp, after the class was nerfed. Stamina builds become the flavor of the month/months.
    People are not going to be satisfied until every class is limited to bashing each other with sticks, or throwing rocks at one another.

    That's funny bc I don't ever remember magic sorc being bottom ever. Was once awhile when Stam was on top but next best thing was a magic sorc.
  • Merlin13KAGL
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    Edziu wrote: »
    and now sorcs....this is just pathetic, charge destro ulti, wipe group, streak away spamming dark deal without penalty if someone willl bash once per 10+ casts and go back after fight reset for you with next destro ult which will wipe group and you will be untouchable because of shields
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    Turns out, you, too, can use this non class ultimate.

    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

    Earn it.

    IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.
    I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
    Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS
  • Edziu
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    Edziu wrote: »
    and now sorcs....this is just pathetic, charge destro ulti, wipe group, streak away spamming dark deal without penalty if someone willl bash once per 10+ casts and go back after fight reset for you with next destro ult which will wipe group and you will be untouchable because of shields
    Here's
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    Turns out, you, too, can use this non class ultimate.

    but mainly using by sorcs and bomblades? I very rarely see any dk or templar using this,I see only sorcs and bomblades with good gap closer using this shittest ulti with not to mention 80% of this retardult zergs are sorcs and bomblades whlie dk is only for tank enemies and templar just for healbots and its ofc its more sorcs than bomblades in those mindless zergs
  • Smmokkee
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    phairdon wrote: »
    Yet, at some stage last year, magicka sorcerer class was dead in pvp, after the class was nerfed. Stamina builds become the flavor of the month/months.
    People are not going to be satisfied until every class is limited to bashing each other with sticks, or throwing rocks at one another.

    Mag Sorc has never been dead in pvp. People overreacted with that nerf.
  • Merlin13KAGL
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    Edziu wrote: »
    but mainly using by sorcs and bomblades? I very rarely see any dk or templar using this,I see only sorcs and bomblades with good gap closer using this shittest ulti with not to mention 80% of this retardult zergs are sorcs and bomblades whlie dk is only for tank enemies and templar just for healbots and its ofc its more sorcs than bomblades in those mindless zergs
    So, to summarize:
    • DPS's DPS
    • Tanks tank
    • and Healer's heal...
    How odd.
    Pretty sure it's being used by most Magicka DPS, just like Dawnbreaker is pretty common (and hard hitting, and cheap) for Stam DPS. Point being, still not a class Ult. Not for Sorc. Not for NB.

    Edited by Merlin13KAGL on May 19, 2017 4:26PM
    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

    Earn it.

    IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.
    I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
    Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS
  • Cheveyo
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    Huyen wrote: »
    Ranged (magicka in this case) is always prefered over melee in any MMO these days.



    I've found that, for group content of any kind, ranged is always more fun.

    Melee either dies too fast or spends too much time running around. As ranged, you can just kinda sit there and watch while destroying stuff.
  • DeadlyRecluse
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    MagSorc is overtuned right now, but balance is far from the worst it's ever been.
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  • Bramir
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    This points only to people barking constantly about how OP sorcerers are on the forums, and sheep being sheep. It does not serve as evidence that sorcerers are actually OP.

    Oh, and did sorcerers steal your bike? They stoke mine, but I got it back...turns out they aren't actually that strong. You just get beat by better players that happen to be sorcerers...they would beat you anyway.
  • Caligamy_ESO
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  • AhPook_Is_Here
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    How are cats still oppressed today with this barbaric idiom? It makes me sad for the human race.
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  • Edziu
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    Edziu wrote: »
    but mainly using by sorcs and bomblades? I very rarely see any dk or templar using this,I see only sorcs and bomblades with good gap closer using this shittest ulti with not to mention 80% of this retardult zergs are sorcs and bomblades whlie dk is only for tank enemies and templar just for healbots and its ofc its more sorcs than bomblades in those mindless zergs
    So, to summarize:
    • DPS's DPS
    • Tanks tank
    • and Healer's heal...
    How odd.
    Pretty sure it's being used by most Magicka DPS, just like Dawnbreaker is pretty common (and hard hitting, and cheap) for Stam DPS. Point being, still not a class Ult. Not for Sorc. Not for NB.

    which is good just for single or maybe few targets to burst whlie retardedestro ulti it to wiping zergs, seems balanced with not to mention at all yu can block dawnbreaker and gg, dot just for 2-4k ticks...4k tick with very nice max damage stacked burst, mainly its jsut 2-3k dot while destro ult...meh..its folowing you dealing 3-8k unblockable damage per second and with same time you can jsut use other skills...with destro ulti active everyone will run from you, if not they will just die...from dawnbreaker they will get single hit, heal it and problem gone because dot ist to powerful
  • Furinol
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    Doesn't large scale pvp in every MMO always degenerate into scenarios like this?

    Alterac valley comes to mind....
  • Chrlynsch
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    Cat was never in the bag.
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  • mechengr7
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    This is exactly why I am gearing out my sorc right now. The DK is going into retirement while I wait for them to return to the fun gameplay i enjoy now.
  • Nestor
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    Feanor wrote: »
    Oh my how fast the people forget. Not too long ago Stamblades and StamDKs ruled Cyrodiil. Sorcs were seldom seen.

    This is why you roll all 4 classes, don't even need 2 types for each one, but you could.

    This way no matter what the preference is, you can play it. Or not, as the case may be. But it gives you a choice. Rolling alts is so easy now compared to the old Vet System there is no reason to not have a character in each class.

    I get finding a class to play you enjoy and to prefer playing it, but guess what, it just means that 6 months out out the year your happy, and 6 months out of year, your crying and wanting to quit.

    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

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    Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"

  • Merlin13KAGL
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    Edziu wrote: »
    Edziu wrote: »
    but mainly using by sorcs and bomblades? I very rarely see any dk or templar using this,I see only sorcs and bomblades with good gap closer using this shittest ulti with not to mention 80% of this retardult zergs are sorcs and bomblades whlie dk is only for tank enemies and templar just for healbots and its ofc its more sorcs than bomblades in those mindless zergs
    So, to summarize:
    • DPS's DPS
    • Tanks tank
    • and Healer's heal...
    How odd.
    Pretty sure it's being used by most Magicka DPS, just like Dawnbreaker is pretty common (and hard hitting, and cheap) for Stam DPS. Point being, still not a class Ult. Not for Sorc. Not for NB.

    which is good just for single or maybe few targets to burst whlie retardedestro ulti it to wiping zergs, seems balanced with not to mention at all yu can block dawnbreaker and gg, dot just for 2-4k ticks...4k tick with very nice max damage stacked burst, mainly its jsut 2-3k dot while destro ult...meh..its folowing you dealing 3-8k unblockable damage per second and with same time you can jsut use other skills...with destro ulti active everyone will run from you, if not they will just die...from dawnbreaker they will get single hit, heal it and problem gone because dot ist to powerful
    Hmmmm...still seems like a not-class-exclusive thing.

    And you can CC, knockback, heal...and I don't know, move? No 2 second courtesy warning with most Ults...

    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

    Earn it.

    IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.
    I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
    Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS
  • MrBeatDown_
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    Yeah. the kill enemy dragon knights is a disaster to get. Not too many people run those things now and after morrowind it will take even longer to find one to kill. Best thing to do is drop the quest, wait a few minutes and pick it back up to see if you get a different one, Or join a group and see if someone has a different one they can share with you.

    As far as the ap farming magicka ball groups, WELL,
    You can go back and watch some of the old eso live from like 2 years ago and watch Wrobel, Wheeler, Lambert, all blame performance issues of the game on those types of play styles. They blame proc sets, Aoe's and all that balled up zerg stuff on that playstyle. I remember that episode where Wheeler decides to use a Dry board and marker to illustrate how and why it is causing all the problems in the games performance.

    Then they added VD, a bunch of proc sets, The aoe Destro ult, and all kinds of skills and sets that cause the same issues that they say are destroying performance in cyrodiil :* They are even going to add a new class to add to the mix of AOE garbage that is going to further degrade the games performance.

    Then to top it all off, they made the Sorc the best character in the game for stamina and magicka players. So its no surprise that it is the most poplular class in the game and has been for 2 years now. I blame that on the 2 streamer guys that Bad mouthed the company on you tube, made threats against the company, used trolls on these forums to link there You tube videos so they wouldn't get banned themselves for posting it directly to the forums, and basically those guys used there streaming audience to RANSOME the changes to there characters that they wanted that make them OP.Zos caved to them. Zos should have just nerfed sorc to the dirt for that. They caused so much damage to this game by doing that stuff....

    Now the game is really going to be crap for everyone except sorcs.



  • Edziu
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    Edziu wrote: »
    Edziu wrote: »
    but mainly using by sorcs and bomblades? I very rarely see any dk or templar using this,I see only sorcs and bomblades with good gap closer using this shittest ulti with not to mention 80% of this retardult zergs are sorcs and bomblades whlie dk is only for tank enemies and templar just for healbots and its ofc its more sorcs than bomblades in those mindless zergs
    So, to summarize:
    • DPS's DPS
    • Tanks tank
    • and Healer's heal...
    How odd.
    Pretty sure it's being used by most Magicka DPS, just like Dawnbreaker is pretty common (and hard hitting, and cheap) for Stam DPS. Point being, still not a class Ult. Not for Sorc. Not for NB.

    which is good just for single or maybe few targets to burst whlie retardedestro ulti it to wiping zergs, seems balanced with not to mention at all yu can block dawnbreaker and gg, dot just for 2-4k ticks...4k tick with very nice max damage stacked burst, mainly its jsut 2-3k dot while destro ult...meh..its folowing you dealing 3-8k unblockable damage per second and with same time you can jsut use other skills...with destro ulti active everyone will run from you, if not they will just die...from dawnbreaker they will get single hit, heal it and problem gone because dot ist to powerful
    Hmmmm...still seems like a not-class-exclusive thing.

    And you can CC, knockback, heal...and I don't know, move? No 2 second courtesy warning with most Ults...

    you know you cant him cc or something while he have cc immunity? with gap closer spam it impossible to move out from this *** if you are not sorc to streak spam

    at all dwanbreaker is still using by magica builds also because this have his power for just single target fast undodgeable hit with cc while destro ult much much better against groups and need to have damn destro staff equiped to use it...yes...some stam players are using this because of pwoer creep frm this ulti but they need sacriface very very much to just equip this destro staff and this is why stamina players are very rarely seen with this ulti.....if not lock to weapon this ult you will see also almost every stam player running with this ulti...(now sorry for offtopic, for just qq about this "balanced" ulti lol)
  • Tasear
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    Zvorgin wrote: »
    HOLDING keeps should matter, not flipping keeps. Make it so guilds that have a claimed keep passively gain AP, closer the Keep is to the center circle more AP it gives per tick. Just a thought though I'm sure it has flaws, it at least promotes guild groups and wanting to hold keeps. Keeps in enemy territory would give even higher ticks.

    @Wrobel this idea deserves some attention. ;)

    @ZOS_RichLambert

    @ZOS_GinaBruno
    Edited by Tasear on May 19, 2017 7:47PM
  • Vizier
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Give it time, the rollercoaster of balance will continue and the current builds will at some point zoom down before their slow chug back to the top.

    Yes and no. There's honestly little difference in build and play style over what was going on 2 1/2 years ago. Everyone running around with skirts and sticks spamming impulse rather than their ultimate, effectively creating the exact same dynamic in PvP as exists today. They'd charge up their negates and rush while spamming impulse and then later bat Swarm and then...another and another until EOTF. The difference being more people wearing heavy armor than light..shrug.

    ZoS can't get over their love affair with the staff and magicka. It's a shame really.
    Edited by Vizier on May 19, 2017 8:01PM
  • shreek1
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    I go to Cyrodill as a tourist and get enough points for my alliance war skills, then go back to my regularly scheduled programming.
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