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Why are so many players begging to be carried through Skyreach?
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
Sure it is. You don't play a stamina DK like you do a magicka templar. Leveling up the traditional way gives you a chance to learn the nuances of the character and get a proper rotation down.
Skyreach is a way for lazy people to quickly level a character so they can then a week later say they are bored with the game because there is nothing for their fully leveled character to do.
For some of us the getting to level 50 part is the boring part, so might as well make it as short as possible.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »DragonBound wrote: »
LOL! I'll tell you the same thing I tell the others in Belkarth...
I come to Craglorn for crafting and would love to try Skyreach for the very first time.
Hello?
Not, "Cry me a river, maybe you can float your way out of Craglorn?"
Nah... It doesn't bother me to be asked or to see the begging in chat. I just thought I was missing out on something and wanted to know what all the fuss was about.
Yeah, but at the same time, how could I not reference that dialog I hear, at least, 12 times a day.
I'm still waiting for the woman next to the wayshrine to get her goods delivered or lose her shirt. One or the other.
On one hand, I miss when they could be killable, on the other hand you bring up a good point.0 -
AhPook_Is_Here✭✭✭✭✭
✭With all the wardens coming out, holla, holla, dolla, dolla!“Whatever.”
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✭I have one alt still that is sub vet, but I enjoy BWB, so in no rush to lvl...
That said, out of curiosity, why SKYREACH exactly?0 -
DragonBound✭✭✭✭✭DragonBound wrote: »
LOL! I'll tell you the same thing I tell the others in Belkarth...
I come to Craglorn for crafting and would love to try Skyreach for the very first time.
Hello?
So what your saying is you will take me to skyreach?1 -
Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Skyreach grind USED to be somewhat secret months ago and one of my friends was one of the rare people who knew about the grind. Someone spilled the beans. Now everyone and their mother goes in there.
Out of curiosity, if it's an instanced zone, what was the point of keeping it secret? It's not like people can "steal other people's xp" (not that I think anyone "owns" any given amount of xp) in an instanced zone.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.5 -
Insandros✭✭✭✭Skyreach grind USED to be somewhat secret months ago and one of my friends was one of the rare people who knew about the grind. Someone spilled the beans. Now everyone and their mother goes in there.
It's been known for quite a while, i started to grind CP in there in January when i got back in game after 2 years away, from cp 170-564 in less than a month, i aimed 561 before Homstead came out, i did it the day before it got launched, because i was scared it gets nerfed a second time, when i got back in game, i mostly soloed it intence, using pots and training gear, it was even knows before that, and had a nerf once, since mobs were giving more xp than the actual mobs over the entire craglorn zone, so it's has been known for way much more a few months.
i soloed the place on a few toons (NB, Templar, couldn'T do it properbly with my DK so i never went there with my DK, since i love going in there alone, bringing no packsack, exept when i go in to help a friend, usualy i only bring in RL friends... I tried a few times to sell carry runs, but i get bored and only did it twice. I've been in there way too much and abused of too many zombies :P0 -
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I'm reasonably sure that catacombs is the one we tried. the one with all the ghosts spawning at the firepits and chest event in a back middle that if you die on
@Linaleah
I don't think there are any ghosts, just lots of Zombies.
Catacombs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8odZVNgeOI
Hold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H4AE5K44jo
There is a few annoying fearing ghosts that spawns from coffins and one wandering around in the room after the chest room,and a few annoying fearing mages also, and i'm sure they are new from Homestead, i don't recall them from pre-Homestead,1 -
DragonBound wrote: »
LOL! I'll tell you the same thing I tell the others in Belkarth...
I come to Craglorn for crafting and would love to try Skyreach for the very first time.
Hello?
People like you are the only folks I'd take through.
The whole powerleveling thing...I just don't like it and I never have in any game.
But somebody wanting to check something out, that makes me feel like they're looking to play the game with me rather then get a service provided, so I'd happily invite you. And then run normally instead of ae'ing everything so you can actually look at stuff ect.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭scorpiodog wrote: »
we have different views than, the people ive carried at least try and earn it. they use the word carry because they cant solo it by themselves.0 -
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✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
Yeah like me
Stop nerfing grind areas bad enoth we are forced to grind because of whiny forum users because they cry OP and our stuff gets nerfed to uselessness.
At least allow us to keep the option, to get a new character up somewhat fast and pain-free.
Very Few like to spend 100 hours grinding through no XP quests every time a balance patch happens.
Well in my case the race is over. @Wrobel and @ZOS can do what ever they want far as balance and xp cuts.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭scorpiodog wrote: »
and yet, I see people all the time asking for help with certain quest bosses.dirty worthless casual.
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✭✭✭✭✭scorpiodog wrote: »
and yet, I see people all the time asking for help with certain quest bosses.
Probably ones that were carried through Skyreach. I really don't care if people grind there if they at least try to participate in the fights. There was a guy a while back though that for a certain amount of gold would carry people through and was very clear that you could just lay there dead if you wanted and get the XP. Those people do bother me because one of them is going to end up in a random vet dungeon with me wondering what that red circle means.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
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✭scorpiodog wrote: »
we have different views than, the people ive carried at least try and earn it. they use the word carry because they cant solo it by themselves.
Most of the people who do it, stand at the entrance, let the high levels pull and kill all the mobs and cash in on the XP and chest. So.. yeah.. no skill other than standing where you wont be killed.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.0 -
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✭✭✭I hate grinding personally, but questing requires skill? Please. I leveled a new toon on EU from level 3 to cp 160 recently - fresh new, no cp, gear crafted by a kind stranger in zonechat, usually outleveled too...I couldn't even practice weaving on quest mobs, and yes that includes bosses. By the time I was done dropping dots they'd be near dead, I'd eagerly swap to main bar to practice my rotation some but they'd die after first light attack there basically. It did not change even when I outleveled my gear by 30 levels.
Grinding is bad and we're seeing an influx of absolutely clueless people lately because of that, but forcing people to quest won't help either long as every single PvE mob short of WB dies within several seconds. They need to introduce some sort of mandatory learning curve, at least for people on their first toon.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭scorpiodog wrote: »
and yet, I see people all the time asking for help with certain quest bosses.
Probably ones that were carried through Skyreach. I really don't care if people grind there if they at least try to participate in the fights. There was a guy a while back though that for a certain amount of gold would carry people through and was very clear that you could just lay there dead if you wanted and get the XP. Those people do bother me because one of them is going to end up in a random vet dungeon with me wondering what that red circle means.
nope. newer players usually. people who are carried through skyreach are rarely if ever new because it either requires a decent amount of disposable gold, or high level friends. both tends to take some time in game to acquire.
leveling through story DOES teach you a fair bit. because while most quests are very forgiving, not all of them are (in before elitism, vast majority of people are average at best, and they are nowhere NEAR 30k plus dps, etc). and usually at certain intervals and the end of the quest chain, there is a boss fight that requires you to figure out at least some mechanics and NO. they do NOT die in seconds for most people either, especially not quest bosses. the only thing that is as mindless as skyreach - are the dolmen grinds. solo play? requires that you either start learning how to play.. or die a lot and not progress the quests.Edited by Linaleah on May 18, 2017 8:00AMdirty worthless casual.
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MCBIZZLE300✭✭✭✭✭Skyreach is by far the best grind dungeon for xp in the game, when I want to level up a skill i just pick a random noob outside and run it with them. I grinded one person from lvl 30 to cp119 in about 4 hours during double xp. Safe to say he had no idea what he was doing and probably has a steep learning curve now!0 -
Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭Didn't know that exp there are such awesome. Good to know for my upcoming Warden leveling.
I went there after hitting 50 with all my chars before. I just hate unexplored maps and I am an achievement junkie. It was and is my favorite solo zone. The only boss I had really issues doing solo was and is the Nereid in Shada's Tear.Sometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
Selissi - CP 1k+ Redguard Stamina Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Silmerel - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Templar (Ebonheart Pact)
Sunja - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Nightblade (Ebonheart Pact)
Suldreni - CP 1k+ Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight (Ebonheart Pact)
Sulhelka - CP 1k+ Altmer Magicka Sorcerer (Ebonheart Pact)
Sylundine - CP 1k+ Breton Magicka Warden (Ebonheart Pact)0 -
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That its instances is that makes it good, public dungeons give decent xp then optimal however during prime time its lots of other players. Skyreach give even more xp and is instanced like group dungeons so you don't have to compete with others.Saucy_Jack wrote: »Skyreach grind USED to be somewhat secret months ago and one of my friends was one of the rare people who knew about the grind. Someone spilled the beans. Now everyone and their mother goes in there.
Out of curiosity, if it's an instanced zone, what was the point of keeping it secret? It's not like people can "steal other people's xp" (not that I think anyone "owns" any given amount of xp) in an instanced zone.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭Because "give one a finger and he will grab whole hand". One newb got carried once throught Skyreach, told all his newb friends and now every newb things that being carried throught skyreach so they can effortlessly become max lvl is something they are entitled to have.1 -
Bringer✭✭✭Honestly there are far too few good grinding locations, its not just that skyreach is good exp, its that its instanced.
Im currently trying to solo grind a character up to do some experimentation prior to morrowind EA and i know some good spots but they are always full, so my options are alikr dolmen or skyreach (or playing at night and finding a spot thats empty which is what ive opted to do)
Aoe grinding is fun, its soothing to group up a bunch of mobs and see them all die. There needs to be lots of areas where you can do this.0 -
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✭OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »I hope they nerf it.
Nerfing it will just give an advantage to old players, but at this point I guess that's the intention of Zenimax.
Now we can get a character to 50 in 3-4h, if they nerf it it will be what 6-8h?
Same with vmsa, three montgs ago people were doing it in 30 minutes without experience and now once Morrowind goes live people will spend maybe 2h
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K1 The Big Monkey0 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »I feel like I'm doing something wrong, or missing something, because hearing all the "Skyreach is fastest to level" i grabbed my friend and we tried it. clearing the upper part gave use just under a level. it took about half an hour.. ish. granted, neither of us were lvl 50 yet, or anywhere near 600 cp, but... I can level at that speed or faster if i just quest, and its certainly more fun that way.
It should take about 5 minutes to clear it. Go in with 2 people, one person goes left, the other right, aggro everything and pull it all to the back where the chest is. Burn everything down with AoE. Open the chest, burn everything down. Split up again, and meet back at the entrance. Burn everything down again.
I created a magsorc and leveled it to 50 in one day in Skyreach, during one of the double XP events.
how do you survive that? we reduced our pull sizes because even 2 gave us trouble with more then one close call.
@Linaleah just don't aggro the boss. You have to go around the outside of the boss room, behind the pillars, to avoid it. Nothing else hits hard. The only dangerous enemies are the ghosts who can CC you into AoEs.
Aside from that, magicka toons need to shield up and stamina toons need to slot Deadly Cloak or Vigor and dodge a lot.
Once you've got all of the adds piled up together, a Meteor or Dawnbreaker will take out most of them and regen a ton of ultimate.0 -
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✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
Sure it is. You don't play a stamina DK like you do a magicka templar. Leveling up the traditional way gives you a chance to learn the nuances of the character and get a proper rotation down.
Skyreach is a way for lazy people to quickly level a character so they can then a week later say they are bored with the game because there is nothing for their fully leveled character to do.
@kargen27 Maybe we're playing a different game, but there's nothing I've encountered leveling 1-50 that requires a "rotation."
I use Skyreach because I occasionally want to level a new character as the meta shifts, to provide the most utility to my raid group. Leveled a magsorc before Homestead. Leveled a stamDK and a magblade for Morrowind. We raid 4 nights a week for 2-4 hours, so I don't generally have a ton of extra time to level the "traditional" way.
Although what I prefer to do is play through the starter zone and then the first 2 zones, doing almost all of the overland content (main story, main zone quests, delves, skyshards, lorebooks, guild quests). Usually that gets me somewhere around level 30 with a ton of skill points and Mages Guild around level 4-5. Then I grind Skyreach to 50, at which point I go back and finish up the main story quest and guild quests to get the skill points.
I don't like grinding ... but quest grinding is just as boring as mob grinding. I've played through the whole game, including Silver/Gold, multiple times. Don't really feel the need to do it over again every time I want to play with a new build.1
