Dottzgaming wrote: »

Trying to prepare myself for morrowind and get my build and gear ready. For those of you who are playing on the PTS (i got an invite but havent had any time to come in and test), are you finding heavy armor still to be the meta in PvP over Light/Medium, or do all the sustain changes level the playing field / make light and medium better?

I play light with good results: Amberplasm + Shacklebreaker.

Dottzgaming wrote: »

so 1 vote light 1 vote heavy

I feel like everyone has such varying opinions on this

my thing with heavy is that i am not sure if the constitution nerf is gonna make it imposisble to maintain resources.
but with light, youre paper thin. so im worried about just getting totally trucked while in light armor.

but im just tryna get a rough idea of what i should do before i buy gear in morrowind.

It all depends. Are you playing a class with all melee skills with no mobility/shields? You're stuck with heavy. Are you playing a class with ranged nukes, shields that are double your effective health, and mobility? You can use light.

Neighbor wrote: »

Dottzgaming wrote: »

so 1 vote light 1 vote heavy

I feel like everyone has such varying opinions on this

my thing with heavy is that i am not sure if the constitution nerf is gonna make it imposisble to maintain resources.
but with light, youre paper thin. so im worried about just getting totally trucked while in light armor.

but im just tryna get a rough idea of what i should do before i buy gear in morrowind.

It all depends. Are you playing a class with all melee skills with no mobility/shields? You're stuck with heavy. Are you playing a class with ranged nukes, shields that are double your effective health, and mobility? You can use light.

Well, then nothing really changes with the next update. I have to keep heavy armor with my MagDK, while Sorcs can run optimal setups with continued ease-of-use.

I think heavy armor will remain OP in pvp, because without CP there's a lot less dmg and penetration. On top of that, pvp in Morrowind will be all about surviving enemy burst until they run out of resource where they simply cant kill you anymore.

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

Dottzgaming wrote: »

Trying to prepare myself for morrowind and get my build and gear ready. For those of you who are playing on the PTS (i got an invite but havent had any time to come in and test), are you finding heavy armor still to be the meta in PvP over Light/Medium, or do all the sustain changes level the playing field / make light and medium better?

I play light with good results: Amberplasm + Shacklebreaker.

That's the combo I will be running on my sorc!

Allows user to backbar a Maelstrom resto as well, which returns a nice bit of magicka with Mutagen, and provides passive healing which the sorc needs underneath the shields.

Also allows 5-1-1 in optimal slots (chest) since Shacklebreaker is a craftable.

Stamina regren will also allow magicka sorc to capitalize off the still broken Dark Exchange.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I'd recommend heavy if you're magicka. The resources gained from a resto heavy attack in all heavy is just insane.

This is exactly what made me so angry. How do you go and nerf sustain with the expected intention being hitting those wearing heavy armor, tanking with full damage capabilities and never running out of resources then add this exact new mechanic into the mix.
-Increase resource return from heavy
-25% resource return for heavy attacks in heavy
-CP Star for increased% return from heavy attack
-30% from Resto heavy attack...

I haven't seen the maxed return on a single Resto heavy on PTS but i can imagine it reaches around 6-7k Magicka back with all those scaling %s, maybe more... So we've recreated a game where heavy armor can still sustain easily, have large resistances, and competitive damage to light/medium armor. Absurd.

Jsmalls wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I'd recommend heavy if you're magicka. The resources gained from a resto heavy attack in all heavy is just insane.

This is exactly what made me so angry. How do you go and nerf sustain with the expected intention being hitting those wearing heavy armor, tanking with full damage capabilities and never running out of resources then add this exact new mechanic into the mix.
-Increase resource return from heavy
-25% resource return for heavy attacks in heavy
-CP Star for increased% return from heavy attack
-30% from Resto heavy attack...

I haven't seen the maxed return on a single Resto heavy on PTS but i can imagine it reaches around 6-7k Magicka back with all those scaling %s, maybe more... So we've recreated a game where heavy armor can still sustain easily, have large resistances, and competitive damage to light/medium armor. Absurd.

It's practically there now,. I know on live in HA one heavy attack can net me over 4k.

Waffennacht wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I'd recommend heavy if you're magicka. The resources gained from a resto heavy attack in all heavy is just insane.

This is exactly what made me so angry. How do you go and nerf sustain with the expected intention being hitting those wearing heavy armor, tanking with full damage capabilities and never running out of resources then add this exact new mechanic into the mix.
-Increase resource return from heavy
-25% resource return for heavy attacks in heavy
-CP Star for increased% return from heavy attack
-30% from Resto heavy attack...

I haven't seen the maxed return on a single Resto heavy on PTS but i can imagine it reaches around 6-7k Magicka back with all those scaling %s, maybe more... So we've recreated a game where heavy armor can still sustain easily, have large resistances, and competitive damage to light/medium armor. Absurd.

It's practically there now,. I know on live in HA one heavy attack can net me over 4k.

Yeah but it's going to receive a 30% increase, then tenacity is worthwhile to use now. If it's 4k on live already (assuming no or low tenacity) it's going to be around 6k or so. That's like popping a potion. Then if you add the resource tick of Constitution and Regen into the mix its probably close to a 8k resource burst from a 2 second channel.

Just sounds like it's going to make sustaining in full heavy still possible and beneficial. Hell might out sustain the 10% reduction that medium/light offers.

Dottzgaming wrote: »

But i dont wanna shelve out lots of gold on the wrong gear, you know? so im just trying to figure out if i should be focusing on light or heavy armor as a magblade

If you decided to start theorycrafting, be prepared to shell out a lot of gold on builds that don't work. Not every build that works on paper makes the cut. But the paper theory helps: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor

Dottzgaming wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Dottzgaming wrote: »

But i dont wanna shelve out lots of gold on the wrong gear, you know? so im just trying to figure out if i should be focusing on light or heavy armor as a magblade

If you decided to start theorycrafting, be prepared to shell out a lot of gold on builds that don't work. Not every build that works on paper makes the cut. But the paper theory helps: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor

yeah trust me ive encountered that lol. so many of the "good ideas" i had ended up being horrible

I think just based on the issues with regen people are expecting, i might try light. with heavy getting nerfed alot and regen in general taking a big hit, i think i might just have to go light

I have been trying PvP builds with no CP. I like being tanky, so I've been using 5 heavy/2 light. I've found that sustaining in 5 heavy is not that bad. The downside is you miss out on spell crit and spell penetration without light.

Heavy shouldn't just be for dedicated tanks, regardless of what some say...