No, you're wrong. First of all, purify isn't just for dots, it indiscriminately removes 5 negatives effects whether its debuffs, snares, immobilized, etc. Just from a nightblade using mark and incap, it would require more than one purify.

You are also not immune to dots as you falsely accuse. Ground dots such as caltrops, eruption, endless hail, liquid lightning cant be purged. Dots that track with the player like the eye of the storm, crescent sweep, and devouring swarm cant be purged. Channels like sweeps and jabs cant be purged. This falsehood that purify is the end all be all counter to dots borders on ignorance.

Lastly its based on playstyle. Purify is useless unless the dots/debuffs are on you! It's naturally a defensive move and only useful when the player is on the defensive. Wings is a counter move that lasted 4 seconds after the cast. A good DK can be the aggressor and completely shut down a ranged build. A defensive templar spamming purify cant go on the offensive and will eventually be whirled down.

You are wrong but I'll grant you that Scales got nerfed into worthlessness (which I would add most Templar skills have a problem with, along with some of the worst passives of any class). The issue with Scales was that it was overpowered in its initial form, to the point of allowing Mage Dunmer DK Vampire Bat Swarming Taloning Chaining Robes'n'Shields running around taking on a 50 man mob of enemies and killing them all, including enemies who were using Fire ballistae. It was nuts. Scales was a big part of how this was a possibility and it needed nerfing.

I have suggested for years now that they should have kept the long duration of Scales but rather than have the reflection be a 100% rate (which is INSANE in an MMO) they should have dialed it down to a 20% rate. This would have served its purpose of creating a danger for anyone attacking the DK, without making the DK completely shut down all Archers and Mages in the game. This also would have meant that the DK's defenses were not infallible, and if he went up against 50 people he'd go splat as he should. Do you realize how crazy perfect Reflection is? Imagine if Blur or Evasion afforded 100% dodge chance for 20 seconds. The forums would be overrun with torchbearing villagers. Reflection is even worse because it tosses the damage right back at the attacker. There was a solution but instead of solving the issue they killed the skill.

There are other DK skills that frustrate me in this regard (and Templar, and NB, and Sorc). [Inferno] for instance could be a beautiful skill and indeed it once was despite being poorly designed at the outset of the game. Rather than keeping the original theme of the skill (Flame Cloak) alive they turned it into a stupid hovering fireball. Then they gave us Hurricane for Sorcs, essentially Lightning Cloak for Sorcerers. Why didn't we get a DK Flame Cloak that worked? [Chains] are another set of skills that just make me sad. CC-immunity is a big part of this and a large part of what initially destroyed Templar CC almost 3 years ago. [Ash Cloud] has such a ***-poor radius why would you use it? I could go on and talk about other things but to be honest I'm holding back because I want to get a better sense of the rules changes to come.

Templar is a class rife with problems though and attacking Templar is just the wrong way to go. The very design of the class is still out of whack. There is no cohesive guiding principle behind the class and you are comparing the DK which doesn't have a purge - but does have something like 5 times as many cc skills. Having a few powerful skills tied to a bunch of weak or clunky skills is not the way to go. I'm actually very worried about the Templar class as a whole going forward. I suspect the Templar healer will continue to chug along and operate effectively, but I'm not sure how I feel about Stamina DD and Tank roles for the Templar going forward... two of the themes which I've felt all along really embody what the class is. When you think of a Knight Templar, you picture a Knight on a horse wielding a massive hammer. There is a reason the suggested load screen Templar was a Knight wielding a 2 Handed Hammer. I built my character based upon that theme, a theme which has over time eroded to Healer-only. I really hope the devs find a way to make all classes operate with all builds well. I'd like to see every class have interesting skills in their line up such that it is hard to make a choice picking what skills you want to use on your character.

Sheey wrote: »

@DreadKnight A good Templar will never die to any Magica Dragonknight. Reseting a fight every 1-5 seconds is totally balanced and doesn't need any change. Damage over time is not a highend damage type, its getting stronger the more DoTs you take on yourself. That means nothing else as a good templar will always make sure he hasn't more as 3 DoTs running at the time. The continuesly damage mitigated by the fact you can purge yourself free from 5 negative effects takes alot of presur away and it only takes you to press button 3.

This is not balanced sorry.

Purify has already received 2 major nerfs. It no longer purifies incoming projectiles which was nice since our reflect hasn't worked worth a damn on years. It also costs twice as much because of the ritual of retribution fiasco.

Nerfing purify into oblivion (ZOS's preferred method of "balance") would result in Templars being a **** version of a magic sorc.

@Joy_Division @utb99 @austinwalter87ub17_ESO @LordSlif

@Ron_Burgundy_79 ty for show me this bro.:

Sheey wrote: »

Dear Zenimax and Community.

What is the difference between purifying ritual and the old dragonknight scales?

Answer: Both give and gave immunity to a specific kind of damage, purifying ritual gives immunity to damage over time. And the old reflective scales gave immunity to ranged damage.

One got adjusted, the other one is still completly untouched since beta.

Am I right ?

PS: Damage over Time is considered as Damage taken. Damage taken is not an negative effect and shouldn't be purgable. Only effects with reduced stats/regen/poison/ressistance should be purgeable.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Tell me your opinion.

Ill tell u my opnion:
First: let me show u "Purge". Because i
think u dnt know what it is:
Cleanse yourself and nearby allies, removing 2 negative effects and reducing the duration by 50% for 6 seconds
As u can see ALL classes have "cleanse". ALL
But wait i know what u will say now:
Templars can remove 5 effects and the others classes 2. Yeah i know it, but sorcs have a strong shield, the dark conversion and mines , NBs have cloak and strong ults and DKs have roots, reflective and petrify. all are Good skills
So if wanna the same skills for all classes we just need 1 class.
U can use purge it is a supp ability.
Dont talk trash about cleanse, templars cant scape the fight like sorcs and NBs and they dnt have a high burst damage.

yea nerf templar! a class that have almost zero offensive capabilities shouldn't be able to purge debuffs too!

- bleh. I do sympathise but mDk's do try to burn a templars house down.

The templer was Not cleansing the afker....the person has to press the synergy to get the cleanse. The templer was a healer ffs he should be able to out heal 1-2 targets what's wrong with you? He wasn't even on the offensive he was a just healing! Some people really....

You clearly have no idea what your talking about and clearly never played any form of a templer.

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Sheey wrote: »

@DreadKnight A good Templar will never die to any Magica Dragonknight. Reseting a fight every 1-5 seconds is totally balanced and doesn't need any change. Damage over time is not a highend damage type, its getting stronger the more DoTs you take on yourself. That means nothing else as a good templar will always make sure he hasn't more as 3 DoTs running at the time. The continuesly damage mitigated by the fact you can purge yourself free from 5 negative effects takes alot of presur away and it only takes you to press button 3.

This is not balanced sorry.

Purify has already received 2 major nerfs. It no longer purifies incoming projectiles which was nice since our reflect hasn't worked worth a damn on years. It also costs twice as much because of the ritual of retribution fiasco.

Nerfing purify into oblivion (ZOS's preferred method of "balance") would result in Templars being a **** version of a magic sorc.

@Joy_Division @utb99 @austinwalter87ub17_ESO @LordSlif

Ohh so templars will become what magica NB are now.

Sheey wrote: »

As Dk you cant damage a templar. Its physically not possible. Purge needs removed and replaced for something else. Alot of dk players will agree on that.

And that same Templar will end up doing no damage to that blocking DK since they spend 50% of their GCD's doing nothing but Purifying. Templar has no skills to take down the block.

Templar vs DK is generally a stalemate. If you made Dot's unpurgable the DK would win every time.

You are wrong in your comparisons.

The old Dragon Scales reflected infinite projectiles. Purifying never cleansed infinite number of effects. That right there is a huge difference you leave out.

Scales got nerfed down to 4 projectiles, while Extended will cleanse 5 effects. Does Extended Ritual reflect the effects back to the caster? No. But Scales does that. You leave that out also.

The biggest problem with Scales right now is that ZoS made too many skills non-reflectable. That is what you should be asking for change towards.

ZoS should remove Hardened Ward because it interferes with me killing Sorcs