Why didn't silks of the sun set receive a 2pc update?

Minute_Waltz · May 2017

Reading the below from patch notes, every elemental set and mag dmg/resto line/destro line received an update for the 2pc bonus, was there any explanation why the fire dmg set (silk of the sun) was not a part of this change? @ZOS_GinaBruno

Item Sets
The following item sets now has a 2-piece bonus of Spell Critical instead of Max Health:
Light Speaker
Netch’s Touch
Spider Cultist
Ysgramor’s Birthright
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
These sets are meant to be damage or healing focused by augmenting a particular element or skill line, so the 2-piece bonus of Max Health was out of place for this theme. We’ve updated them to have more appropriate 2-piece bonuses instead.

Sanctum74 · May 2017

I agree, but to be honest it's not really a great set anyway. The damage can not be increased by minor/major scorcery and you will also lose out on healing. Better to run bsw, julianos, or kags and keep your scorcery buffs up. This way ALL your skills will do more damage and your heals will be much bigger.

Masel · May 2017

Sanctum74 wrote: »

I agree, but to be honest it's not really a great set anyway. The damage can not be increased by minor/major scorcery and you will also lose out on healing. Better to run bsw, julianos, or kags and keep your scorcery buffs up. This way ALL your skills will do more damage and your heals will be much bigger.

Wrong. All of those sets do benefit from those buffs. In trials healing doesn't matter so sun would be BiS on dks if it got the bonus changed. Might even be very good right now as you need 7 light on the PTS to sustain and a health bonus comes in handy.

Magıc · May 2017

Masel92 wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

I agree, but to be honest it's not really a great set anyway. The damage can not be increased by minor/major scorcery and you will also lose out on healing. Better to run bsw, julianos, or kags and keep your scorcery buffs up. This way ALL your skills will do more damage and your heals will be much bigger.

Wrong. All of those sets do benefit from those buffs. In trials healing doesn't matter so sun would be BiS on dks if it got the bonus changed. Might even be very good right now as you need 7 light on the PTS to sustain and a health bonus comes in handy.

I assume you're doing trials with casuals?

Erynyes · May 2017

i'm kinda divided on this, i don't get why it wasn't change like the other sets, but i prefer the health bonus for my DK in pvp, and i would have prefer more health on my magblade as well on warmaiden, though the crit make sense in pve

Minute_Waltz · May 2017

Masel92 wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

I agree, but to be honest it's not really a great set anyway. The damage can not be increased by minor/major scorcery and you will also lose out on healing. Better to run bsw, julianos, or kags and keep your scorcery buffs up. This way ALL your skills will do more damage and your heals will be much bigger.

Wrong. All of those sets do benefit from those buffs. In trials healing doesn't matter so sun would be BiS on dks if it got the bonus changed. Might even be very good right now as you need 7 light on the PTS to sustain and a health bonus comes in handy.

Haven't tested this yet but I'm hoping power lash + ulti/pot timing + ele drain orbs is enough to sustain on 5-1-1, but will need to adjust if it doesnt work out. And I'd probably like them to change to all out damage set and we can use health enchant if required, rather than having a 2pc health which is a hard restriction on the set.

Anyways back to the sun set, the 5pc is 70 sd better off than new bsw, so around half a set piece bonus. But due to the 2pc health its actually now half a set worse. Given adjustment was made to all related sets, I don't see why sun set shouldn't be updated as well.

Minute_Waltz · May 2017

Erynyes wrote: »

i'm kinda divided on this, i don't get why it wasn't change like the other sets, but i prefer the health bonus for my DK in pvp, and i would have prefer more health on my magblade as well on warmaiden, though the crit make sense in pve

Personally haven't used sun in pvp but in theory its probably not a good set as healing wont be boosted by 5pc, but i would still prefer the damage for 2pc in pvp, and adjust my health either by enchants or point allocation.

SanTii.92 · May 2017

Magıc wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

I agree, but to be honest it's not really a great set anyway. The damage can not be increased by minor/major scorcery and you will also lose out on healing. Better to run bsw, julianos, or kags and keep your scorcery buffs up. This way ALL your skills will do more damage and your heals will be much bigger.

Wrong. All of those sets do benefit from those buffs. In trials healing doesn't matter so sun would be BiS on dks if it got the bonus changed. Might even be very good right now as you need 7 light on the PTS to sustain and a health bonus comes in handy.

I assume you're doing trials with casuals?

living under a rock and not aware of the sustain changes?

Sanctum74 · May 2017

Masel92 wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

I agree, but to be honest it's not really a great set anyway. The damage can not be increased by minor/major scorcery and you will also lose out on healing. Better to run bsw, julianos, or kags and keep your scorcery buffs up. This way ALL your skills will do more damage and your heals will be much bigger.

Wrong. All of those sets do benefit from those buffs. In trials healing doesn't matter so sun would be BiS on dks if it got the bonus changed. Might even be very good right now as you need 7 light on the PTS to sustain and a health bonus comes in handy.

Wrong lol! The sun set does not benefit from those buffs, only your base spell damage gets boosted from scorcery not spell damage for fire abilities. No such buff exists. Even with the upcoming nerf burning spell weave will still be best in slot and theres plenty of research out there to back it up. I'm a pvp fanatic so for me healing is always crucial as well as having all of my abilities getting boosted.

Minute_Waltz · May 2017

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

I agree, but to be honest it's not really a great set anyway. The damage can not be increased by minor/major scorcery and you will also lose out on healing. Better to run bsw, julianos, or kags and keep your scorcery buffs up. This way ALL your skills will do more damage and your heals will be much bigger.

Wrong. All of those sets do benefit from those buffs. In trials healing doesn't matter so sun would be BiS on dks if it got the bonus changed. Might even be very good right now as you need 7 light on the PTS to sustain and a health bonus comes in handy.

Wrong lol! The sun set does not benefit from those buffs, only your base spell damage gets boosted from scorcery not spell damage for fire abilities. No such buff exists. Even with the upcoming nerf burning spell weave will still be best in slot and theres plenty of research out there to back it up. I'm a pvp fanatic so for me healing is always crucial as well as having all of my abilities getting boosted.

Have you tested it yourself that it doesn't work? Because it does.. And agreed on bsw > sun in pvp as you ll need the spell damage to boost the heals.

Lum1on · May 2017

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

I agree, but to be honest it's not really a great set anyway. The damage can not be increased by minor/major scorcery and you will also lose out on healing. Better to run bsw, julianos, or kags and keep your scorcery buffs up. This way ALL your skills will do more damage and your heals will be much bigger.

Wrong. All of those sets do benefit from those buffs. In trials healing doesn't matter so sun would be BiS on dks if it got the bonus changed. Might even be very good right now as you need 7 light on the PTS to sustain and a health bonus comes in handy.

Wrong lol! The sun set does not benefit from those buffs, only your base spell damage gets boosted from scorcery not spell damage for fire abilities. No such buff exists. Even with the upcoming nerf burning spell weave will still be best in slot and theres plenty of research out there to back it up. I'm a pvp fanatic so for me healing is always crucial as well as having all of my abilities getting boosted.

I haven't tested with Silk of the sun because I do not have access to that set on PTS but there's War maiden (5pc bonus: "Adds 400 Spell Damage to your Magic Damage abilities"). And it benefits from Major and minor sorcery. So are you absolutely sure Silk of the sun's 5pc flame damage bonus would not benefit from those buffs? Because if it doesn't it means one of those sets are broken - at least that's how I feel because they have the same idea and functionality so it would be stupid if they didn't work the same way.

And I did some calculations for DK using 5x BSW/SotS, 4x Moondancer and 2x Grothdarr and if SotS would have the same 2pc buff than other similar sets it would be better than BSW (with full 66,6% uptime). Without the 2pc crit. bonus it's obviously not, unless you have worse than 61% uptime.

Now, DK's get that uptime rather easily, so at the moment BSW is better for them. What about Sorcs, Templars, Nightblades and Warden? First of all, those classes do not use that many flame damage abilities so the 5pc bonus would be kind of wasted. And besides, it's not always even guaranteed to get 60% uptime on those classes on Live and because the proc chance will be dropped by 5% it's definitely a big no.

Stannum · May 2017

I think Sun is usually used by DKs
DKs have terrible sustain
So DKs often have witch mother potent brew instead of magick-hp food buff
So such DKs will have too low HP without set hp buff )))))

Masel · May 2017

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Magıc wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

I agree, but to be honest it's not really a great set anyway. The damage can not be increased by minor/major scorcery and you will also lose out on healing. Better to run bsw, julianos, or kags and keep your scorcery buffs up. This way ALL your skills will do more damage and your heals will be much bigger.

Wrong. All of those sets do benefit from those buffs. In trials healing doesn't matter so sun would be BiS on dks if it got the bonus changed. Might even be very good right now as you need 7 light on the PTS to sustain and a health bonus comes in handy.

I assume you're doing trials with casuals?

living under a rock and not aware of the sustain changes?

Thank you. Was about to say the same.

Masel · May 2017

Proof with math that those sets do benefit from major and minor sorcery:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/343255/psa-for-sets-like-automaton-netch-war-maiden#latest

Xvorg · May 2017

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

I agree, but to be honest it's not really a great set anyway. The damage can not be increased by minor/major scorcery and you will also lose out on healing. Better to run bsw, julianos, or kags and keep your scorcery buffs up. This way ALL your skills will do more damage and your heals will be much bigger.

Wrong. All of those sets do benefit from those buffs. In trials healing doesn't matter so sun would be BiS on dks if it got the bonus changed. Might even be very good right now as you need 7 light on the PTS to sustain and a health bonus comes in handy.

Wrong lol! The sun set does not benefit from those buffs, only your base spell damage gets boosted from scorcery not spell damage for fire abilities. No such buff exists. Even with the upcoming nerf burning spell weave will still be best in slot and theres plenty of research out there to back it up. I'm a pvp fanatic so for me healing is always crucial as well as having all of my abilities getting boosted.

I've always increased my whip dmg with sun and molten armaments

NyassaV · May 2017

@Wrobel DO IT!!!!!!

Jamascus · May 2017

Sanctum74 wrote: »

I agree, but to be honest it's not really a great set anyway. The damage can not be increased by minor/major scorcery and you will also lose out on healing. Better to run bsw, julianos, or kags and keep your scorcery buffs up. This way ALL your skills will do more damage and your heals will be much bigger.

I just tested silks of the sun on Live. Flamereach gets the damage bonus from major/minor sorcery, empower and 5 piece from silks They all stack. Used in this order Reflective Light, Degeneration, Flamereach. The same applies to Crushing Shock and Reflective LIght.