Okay, that's pretty funny lol

That's weird, is it maybe an add-on? I have never noticed any lower case like that, and I would have noticed.

Is there any testing done prior to applying these patches on live at all? I mean I understand it's not as easy as it seems, changes in code can have hard to foresee side effects to things totally unrelated on first sight and they cannot possibly test everything but really...it took exactly 3 minutes to discover - go out of the city, kill 1 mob, get "rubedite dagger of Frost". Do they not test AT ALL? Not even 5 minutes of gameplay to make sure game still works with whatever they change? Would at least remove glaring bugs like this.

Lol, must be an update from whoever writes those horrible tool tips!

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

Itemization is a big part of the game, and clearly something changed with it in a large way that wasn't covered in patch notes. It could be improvements to how much space items take up in anticipation for doubling bank capacity, it could be something else. But changes that effect items are a pretty big part of the game (sometimes visually, sometimes behind the scenes).

And yes, we all know there's bigger issues at hand. But art teams are different than network teams, coders different than audio techs, loremasters are different than the localization crew. I used to be a 3D animator. You do not want people like me working on server optimization code, trust me. Itemization could be the domain of one coder who specializes in databases, a skillset far different than almost any other.

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

It's called attention to detail. If you can stay focused long enough to make sure items are displayed consistently and according to accepted grammatical rules then you probably can't manage actual game play either as that's way harder. Just like while I generally care little about spelling and punctuation but I'm not going to join a guild with glaring misspellings incorrect punctuation and incorrect capitalizations. It takes little time make sure that it's correct before you create a guild and the guild name is going to be everyone's fist impression. If you can't get that right you probably can't be relied on to raise money and make sensible bids. I'm not joining Bob's guild if Bob doesn't know what an apostrophe is for and calls it "Bobs Guild". Or doesn't bother to spell check an important word like "Merchents" instead of "Merchants". Oh and you don't capitalize "Of The" in the middle of the guild name. And yes if your guild has ever had a merchant I know it's name so shame on you.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we're aware and looking into it.

Thanks! My wife is kind of OCD and that kind of stuff drives here crazy. You should just have her update the loot tables.

MusekininKanchou wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

Itemization is a big part of the game, and clearly something changed with it in a large way that wasn't covered in patch notes. It could be improvements to how much space items take up in anticipation for doubling bank capacity, it could be something else. But changes that effect items are a pretty big part of the game (sometimes visually, sometimes behind the scenes).

And yes, we all know there's bigger issues at hand. But art teams are different than network teams, coders different than audio techs, loremasters are different than the localization crew. I used to be a 3D animator. You do not want people like me working on server optimization code, trust me. Itemization could be the domain of one coder who specializes in databases, a skillset far different than almost any other.

I learned a long time ago. Always assume the loot tables have changed. It's almost never in the patch notes but it's always changing. ZOS_GinaBruno, make a note. Last thing in patch notes should always be. "Screwed with loot tables"

Right after, "Created new bugs to fix"

lordrichter wrote: »

MusekininKanchou wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

Itemization is a big part of the game, and clearly something changed with it in a large way that wasn't covered in patch notes. It could be improvements to how much space items take up in anticipation for doubling bank capacity, it could be something else. But changes that effect items are a pretty big part of the game (sometimes visually, sometimes behind the scenes).

And yes, we all know there's bigger issues at hand. But art teams are different than network teams, coders different than audio techs, loremasters are different than the localization crew. I used to be a 3D animator. You do not want people like me working on server optimization code, trust me. Itemization could be the domain of one coder who specializes in databases, a skillset far different than almost any other.

I learned a long time ago. Always assume the loot tables have changed. It's almost never in the patch notes but it's always changing. ZOS_GinaBruno, make a note. Last thing in patch notes should always be. "Screwed with loot tables"

Right after, "Created new bugs to fix"

job creation

my OCD is off the charts with this
please fix it quick
i don't have much longer left
tell my cat and my mother i love them
i always told them, OCD can't harm me... don't tell them what killed me

MusekininKanchou wrote: »

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

lol who cares? there are way more important things to fix out there!

It's called attention to detail. If you can stay focused long enough to make sure items are displayed consistently and according to accepted grammatical rules then you probably can't manage actual game play either as that's way harder. Just like while I generally care little about spelling and punctuation but I'm not going to join a guild with glaring misspellings incorrect punctuation and incorrect capitalizations. It takes little time make sure that it's correct before you create a guild and the guild name is going to be everyone's fist impression. If you can't get that right you probably can't be relied on to raise money and make sensible bids. I'm not joining Bob's guild if Bob doesn't know what an apostrophe is for and calls it "Bobs Guild". Or doesn't bother to spell check an important word like "Merchents" instead of "Merchants". Oh and you don't capitalize "Of The" in the middle of the guild name. And yes if your guild has ever had a merchant I know it's name so shame on you.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we're aware and looking into it.

Thanks! My wife is kind of OCD and that kind of stuff drives here crazy. You should just have her update the loot tables.

This is the kind of error that they likely noticed but felt the other fixes in the patch were more import and didn't want to hold back the patch for additional fixes. People can skip the grand narratives.

Bug also not likely in the loot tables. Camel case is likely applied later.

how does that even..I can't even....how...like from a coding standpoint seriously how

I mean unless they've got something that does the capitalizing for them in which case I admire the laziness of the coders (i mean that in a good way). Hell I thought I was lazy

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

LadyLavina wrote: »

how does that even..I can't even....how...like from a coding standpoint seriously how

It is pretty easy. I can think of many ways it can happen, depending upon backend design.

Backend is definitely not my strong point so I guess I see why that didn't come to mind xD

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

LadyLavina wrote: »

how does that even..I can't even....how...like from a coding standpoint seriously how

It is pretty easy. I can think of many ways it can happen, depending upon backend design.

I'm as lazy as they get and it seems to me the lazy way is a field in the loot table with the exact name of the item as it should appear everywhere in the program. In the biz we call this field "Display Name". Way harder to build a subroutine to fix capitalization on the fly while taking in to account proper names of people and place etc. Might explain the lag in the interface though.

My guess is someone was doing some search and replace in the tables and didn't think to exclude the item display names whacking the uppercase on a bunch of stuff.

notimetocare wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Is there any testing done prior to applying these patches on live at all? I mean I understand it's not as easy as it seems, changes in code can have hard to foresee side effects to things totally unrelated on first sight and they cannot possibly test everything but really...it took exactly 3 minutes to discover - go out of the city, kill 1 mob, get "rubedite dagger of Frost". Do they not test AT ALL? Not even 5 minutes of gameplay to make sure game still works with whatever they change? Would at least remove glaring bugs like this.

Really, you think something like this is on the radar to watch out for when you have a patch that is adding in content? Really? A bug like this is irrelevant.

I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty sure this is what broke Potion Maker. So, if you're using that to help complete alchemy writs... this bug does affect you.

Also, if the conversation I ran across in zone was accurate, (and, yeah, "zone,") it's entirely possible this also breaks the alchemy master writs, because the potion names are getting scrambled.