The social bottleneck of Raiding is insurmountable

F7sus4 · May 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Op his entitled to his opinions on what's BiS for tank

BiS is not an opinion. It's a fact.

Manpoints wrote: »

If he is complaining about not being allowed to run with the same people trying to tell him what to run so he can join them, he needs to be belittled. Otherwise you're supporting someone from outside of end game raiding coming in and trying to tell them all what they've been doing wrong. Seem plausible?

All he does is sharing his extensive experience with hardmode Trials raiding. Not that it exists but why would that be necessary - he's the tank.

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

It sounds like op was trying to do his own special snowflake thing and refused the reality check, then came here to complain about it.

What's surprising is that there were actually some people who felt into the fairytale.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · May 2017

F7sus4 wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Op his entitled to his opinions on what's BiS for tank

BiS is not an opinion. It's a fact.

That's not how opinions work.
Op believes BiS for a tank is different to what you believe.
(Even if wrong it's still BiS to him).

dday3six · May 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Op his entitled to his opinions on what's BiS for tank

BiS is not an opinion. It's a fact.

That's not how opinions work.
Op believes BiS for a tank is different to what you believe.
(Even if wrong it's still BiS to him).

2+2=4, it does not matter if someone has the opinion that equals 5 that does not change the fact that it equals 4. Opinions and facts are different, and no one is owed a blurring of those lines. It's considered general social courtesy to allow people to have opinions. That does not further extend to opinions being a suitable substitution for facts.

Koensol · May 2017

OP, seriously. If you refuse to change or care about other opinions, stop crying about not being able to get a group.

Oompuh · May 2017

LTB video of walksongraves tanking 6 axes - 4m gold

WalksonGraves · May 2017

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

Royaji · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

Yeah, yeah, we've already been there. And we will take a "permablocking buff maid DK in medium armor" for our trials because we want good scores and completes over "play the game as intended" (how can this even be a thing in a "play the way you want" game? xD) It's that simple.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

Try only blocking heavy attacks with 4 axes in VAA. Please report your findings.
Dont worry, Ill wait.

WalksonGraves · May 2017

Royaji wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

Yeah, yeah, we've already been there. And we will take a "permablocking buff maid DK in medium armor" for our trials because we want good scores and completes over "play the game as intended" (how can this even be a thing in a "play the way you want" game? xD) It's that simple.

I think it's fairly obvious that for example Alkosh wasn't designed to be a tanking set, all the buffs are self melee dps. It just gets used because ZOS screwed up designing sets. It doesn't get used by melee dps because they got designed too weak for endgame and thus don't exist, but that's who they made it for.

Hilarious hearing "play the game you want" when it's "play the game ONE WAY or the forums will *** the bed".

Hell perma blocking only exists because ZOS is too stupid to come up with good fight mechanics so they rely on arcadey *** like "instakill unless blocked" attacks to bypass your build and don't telegraph it well enough to be blocked normally.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

Yeah, yeah, we've already been there. And we will take a "permablocking buff maid DK in medium armor" for our trials because we want good scores and completes over "play the game as intended" (how can this even be a thing in a "play the way you want" game? xD) It's that simple.

I think it's fairly obvious that for example Alkosh wasn't designed to be a tanking set, all the buffs are self melee dps. It just gets used because ZOS screwed up designing sets. It doesn't get used by melee dps because they got designed too weak for endgame and thus don't exist, but that's who they made it for.

Hilarious hearing "play the game you want" when it's "play the game ONE WAY or the forums will *** the bed".

No no, play what has been widely proven as most efficient for team synergy/success OR complain on the forums that no one will raid with you.
*OR you could start your own raid team, and let them all use/wear whatever they think is BIS for them and have a ball in VMOL.

Royaji · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

Yeah, yeah, we've already been there. And we will take a "permablocking buff maid DK in medium armor" for our trials because we want good scores and completes over "play the game as intended" (how can this even be a thing in a "play the way you want" game? xD) It's that simple.

I think it's fairly obvious that for example Alkosh wasn't designed to be a tanking set, all the buffs are self melee dps. It just gets used because ZOS screwed up designing sets. It doesn't get used by melee dps because they got designed too weak for endgame and thus don't exist, but that's who they made it for.

Hilarious hearing "play the game you want" when it's "play the game ONE WAY or the forums will *** the bed".

Sweetheart, I was done talking with you about sets and tanking mechanics at the "Pirate skeleton is BiS" thread. I don't like being insulted and screamed at after giving you some solid arguments so I'm not going to discuss Alkosh with you. Mainly I'm here for some lulz.

And "play the way you want" still applies to the game but don't expect other people to deal with your *** and let you always play the way you want to play. Your tanking sucks for every vtrials team around so they don't take you in. Once again it's simple as that.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

Royaji wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

Yeah, yeah, we've already been there. And we will take a "permablocking buff maid DK in medium armor" for our trials because we want good scores and completes over "play the game as intended" (how can this even be a thing in a "play the way you want" game? xD) It's that simple.

I think it's fairly obvious that for example Alkosh wasn't designed to be a tanking set, all the buffs are self melee dps. It just gets used because ZOS screwed up designing sets. It doesn't get used by melee dps because they got designed too weak for endgame and thus don't exist, but that's who they made it for.

Hilarious hearing "play the game you want" when it's "play the game ONE WAY or the forums will *** the bed".

Sweetheart, I was done talking with you about sets and tanking mechanics at the "Pirate skeleton is BiS" thread. I don't like being insulted and screamed at after giving you some solid arguments so I'm not going to discuss Alkosh with you. Mainly I'm here for some lulz.

And "play the way you want" still applies to the game but don't expect other people to deal with your *** and let you always play the way you want to play. Your tanking sucks for every vtrials team around so they don't take you in. Once again it's simple as that.

That is a good point I had not considered.
He is entirely entitled to wear anything and tank however he likes.
That doesnt mean WE have to play with him while he does it.
@WalksonGraves the game allows you to go into any trial on vet whether you are alone or in a group.
So ZOS hasnt shut you out of the content. They just cant force US to go with you.
In the meantime, we will play as we want with our "permablocking medium armor DK buff maid".
Play as you want!

Oompuh · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

So Geert and Woeler, best tanks in the game for the best guilds in the game, who have done hard mode no death speed runs of maw... are playing the game wrong? And you, the nb tank from xbox who has done 1 end game pug trial is playing the game as intended?

Can someone just take this man into maw and record it? I need some entertainment for finals week

WalksonGraves · May 2017

Royaji wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

Yeah, yeah, we've already been there. And we will take a "permablocking buff maid DK in medium armor" for our trials because we want good scores and completes over "play the game as intended" (how can this even be a thing in a "play the way you want" game? xD) It's that simple.

I think it's fairly obvious that for example Alkosh wasn't designed to be a tanking set, all the buffs are self melee dps. It just gets used because ZOS screwed up designing sets. It doesn't get used by melee dps because they got designed too weak for endgame and thus don't exist, but that's who they made it for.

Hilarious hearing "play the game you want" when it's "play the game ONE WAY or the forums will *** the bed".

Sweetheart, I was done talking with you about sets and tanking mechanics at the "Pirate skeleton is BiS" thread. I don't like being insulted and screamed at after giving you some solid arguments so I'm not going to discuss Alkosh with you. Mainly I'm here for some lulz.

And "play the way you want" still applies to the game but don't expect other people to deal with your *** and let you always play the way you want to play. Your tanking sucks for every vtrials team around so they don't take you in. Once again it's simple as that.

Well buttercup I'd love to know what you think is bis monster helm. I'm guessing bs to make up for your inability to generate large amounts of ult.

Oompuh wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

So Geert and Woeler, best tanks in the game for the best guilds in the game, who have done hard mode no death speed runs of maw... are playing the game wrong? And you, the nb tank from xbox who has done 1 end game pug trial is playing the game as intended?

Can someone just take this man into maw and record it? I need some entertainment for finals week

Yeah essentially, if that is the path of least resistance then the devs have screwed up massively since endgame ignores all the mechanics they introduced throughout the game.

Royaji · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

Yeah, yeah, we've already been there. And we will take a "permablocking buff maid DK in medium armor" for our trials because we want good scores and completes over "play the game as intended" (how can this even be a thing in a "play the way you want" game? xD) It's that simple.

I think it's fairly obvious that for example Alkosh wasn't designed to be a tanking set, all the buffs are self melee dps. It just gets used because ZOS screwed up designing sets. It doesn't get used by melee dps because they got designed too weak for endgame and thus don't exist, but that's who they made it for.

Hilarious hearing "play the game you want" when it's "play the game ONE WAY or the forums will *** the bed".

Sweetheart, I was done talking with you about sets and tanking mechanics at the "Pirate skeleton is BiS" thread. I don't like being insulted and screamed at after giving you some solid arguments so I'm not going to discuss Alkosh with you. Mainly I'm here for some lulz.

And "play the way you want" still applies to the game but don't expect other people to deal with your *** and let you always play the way you want to play. Your tanking sucks for every vtrials team around so they don't take you in. Once again it's simple as that.

Well buttercup I'd love to know what you think is bis monster helm. I'm guessing bs to make up for your inability to generate large amounts of ult.

Oompuh wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

So Geert and Woeler, best tanks in the game for the best guilds in the game, who have done hard mode no death speed runs of maw... are playing the game wrong? And you, the nb tank from xbox who has done 1 end game pug trial is playing the game as intended?

Can someone just take this man into maw and record it? I need some entertainment for finals week

Yeah essentially, if that is the path of least resistance then the devs have screwed up massively since endgame ignores all the mechanics they introduced throughout the game.

I have a feeling that this poor boy is iliterate. I have just explicitly stated that I'm not going to discuss tanking sets with him and guess what he does? Asks me about tanking sets... Honestly, this thread is so much fun but I have to apologize and take my leave. My vMoL run is about to start. You know @WalksonGraves , the vMoL run that you will never get with your tanking setup xD

BuddyAces · May 2017

FFS dude, throw together a vet pug of something and come report back on how it goes. I seriously think you're just some troll doing some weird larp'ing or something at this point now.

DPShiro · May 2017

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

Yeah, yeah, we've already been there. And we will take a "permablocking buff maid DK in medium armor" for our trials because we want good scores and completes over "play the game as intended" (how can this even be a thing in a "play the way you want" game? xD) It's that simple.

I think it's fairly obvious that for example Alkosh wasn't designed to be a tanking set, all the buffs are self melee dps. It just gets used because ZOS screwed up designing sets. It doesn't get used by melee dps because they got designed too weak for endgame and thus don't exist, but that's who they made it for.

Hilarious hearing "play the game you want" when it's "play the game ONE WAY or the forums will *** the bed".

Sweetheart, I was done talking with you about sets and tanking mechanics at the "Pirate skeleton is BiS" thread. I don't like being insulted and screamed at after giving you some solid arguments so I'm not going to discuss Alkosh with you. Mainly I'm here for some lulz.

And "play the way you want" still applies to the game but don't expect other people to deal with your *** and let you always play the way you want to play. Your tanking sucks for every vtrials team around so they don't take you in. Once again it's simple as that.

That is a good point I had not considered.
He is entirely entitled to wear anything and tank however he likes.
That doesnt mean WE have to play with him while he does it.
@WalksonGraves the game allows you to go into any trial on vet whether you are alone or in a group.
So ZOS hasnt shut you out of the content. They just cant force US to go with you.
In the meantime, we will play as we want with our "permablocking medium armor DK buff maid".
Play as you want!

Well said, completely agree^

F7sus4 · May 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Op his entitled to his opinions on what's BiS for tank

BiS is not an opinion. It's a fact.

That's not how opinions work.
Op believes BiS for a tank is different to what you believe.
(Even if wrong it's still BiS to him).

Gear providing the most stats and utility is BIS. There is no "opinion" in A being is larger than B.

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

Lets talk about the utility/stats of pirate skeleton on a trial tank

rotaugen454 · May 2017

"Biggest inauguration crowd in history" was an opinion as well. Math said otherwise, just like it does here. Math is not an opinion.

WalksonGraves · May 2017

This is all hilariously moot since vmol has been broken on console for months now.

@TARAFRAKA

You wouldn't know bis from pos.
30% dr and the debuff can be cleansed, if you don't have the capacity to see the value in that then I strongly suggest you never procreate. If you had a real build 15% less healing wouldn't break you.

Silver_Strider · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

This is all hilariously moot since vmol has been broken on console for months now.

Then why make the topic at all?

TARAFRAKA · May 2017

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WalksonGraves wrote: »

This is all hilariously moot since vmol has been broken on console for months now.

@TARAFRAKA

You wouldn't know bis from pos.
30% dr and the debuff can be cleansed, if you don't have the capacity to see the value in that then I strongly suggest you never procreate. If you had a real build 15% less healing wouldn't break you.

Well, Im not the one unable to post #1 scores....so your entire point is moot.
All of us posting on leaderboards must all be wrong.

Oompuh · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

This is all hilariously moot since vmol has been broken on console for months now.

@TARAFRAKA

You wouldn't know bis from pos.
30% dr and the debuff can be cleansed, if you don't have the capacity to see the value in that then I strongly suggest you never procreate. If you had a real build 15% less healing wouldn't break you.

There is no value in something unnecessary. I don't need 30% damage reduction that is greatly reduced by diminishing returns to stay alive. However, my group could really use an extra 4k resistance in the melee stack, aka Lord Warden. There is no value in a buff I don't need that only helps myself.

Xrucible · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'll stick with 90%+ damage reduction over being a buff maid any day. You guys have never tried my build, I've played a dk in ebon/tavas or whatever you think the meta of the day is and ultimately I come back to the same set up. So yell all you want it's from a place of total ignorance. I have more damage mitigation than you do with an off tank guarding you.

I play the game as intended, heavy attacks for resources, only blocking heavy attacks and maintain total aggro control and mobility. The dk in medium with dps buff sets permablocking makes me sick, it's a testament to the failure of the game design. I won't play like that because it's embarrassing, you should be ashamed that this is the only way you can play your role. Hopefully morrowind fixes some of this trash gameplay that has taken root.

Well my friend then you will have to find enough players willing to spend time with you to get through the content.

You want group finder for trials right? Guess what is going to happen when 11 other members get grouped with you?

NB tank -> No group support -> insta kick and they will replace you. They wont even care how much resist you have or how much ult you generate. That is how META works. Why do they have to put up with something they perceive as a sub optimal build.

Like you mentioned before the game is ridiculously skewed at end game PvE. Just the nature of it. With Morrowind its going to get even more skewed. Resource management got completely shafted and the added block cost means DKs will be the only end game PVE tanks.

Bowser · May 2017

You don't need meta gear to complete the content as long as everyone understands the mechanics enough to not be permadead.

If you're pushing the meta because you're going for this month's top score before the leaderboard gets reset again then yeah, sure, run that meta until the shiny new BiS gear comes out.

squinceybones · May 2017

So you wanna rock up to the wedding dressed in a garbage bag, reeking of *** and tell everyone you look good? Surprised why you got kicked out, or at best sitting at the kids table?

laksikus · May 2017

we need more posts.

*blows at the fire so it doesnt die out*

BuddyAces · May 2017

*adds kindling*

Ajaxduo · May 2017

This thread is juicy.

Perhaps make your own guild of non meta mlg players. *thumbs up*